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Oh come on, it's not like he asked Kerry "Durrrrrr do you know you look like that dude from the Munsters?!" He had questions he wanted to ask, and the police gestapo take him away because audience members are 'gasping'? >_>. The dude's rights as an american were being trampeled on, and he didn't make a scene at all, until the Police and whoever tried to silence his mic and cut him off...aka censoring. I would sue. There's nowhere I can't reach. |
Freedom of speech is not absolute and is dependent on the situation. What one can say and do without consequences should be a matter of common sense. You can't run into a movie theater and shout 'fire'. What exactly would you sue for? How ya doing, buddy? ![]()
Last edited by CloudNine; Sep 20, 2007 at 01:05 AM.
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Police gestapo? Fascism? God, grow up, kid. You clearly have no idea what oppression really is.
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@CloudNine
Ok, so they were asking him to leave, even though Kerry was going to answer his question. They still forced him out of there because of his questions. It was an open public forum, and just because his questions were more than 30 seconds does not give anyone the right to remove him silence him. That is censorship. Too many people in politics and in political situations, never say what they want to say and/or ask because they might insult or hurt someone's feelings. I'm tired of that. I'm not saying 'be disrespectful and rude' what I am saying is we need the press or people who question gov't motives or sentaors, mayors, governers, blabla to be free to ask and debate issues without being frowned upon because of feelings being hurt or its something THEY dont want to hear. If those people there were disgusted by his comments, they could have left and/or just ignored him and let him get his schtick out. And by the video...the event was disrupted when people were trying to silence and remove him. THAT is when it became disruption, not after the fact dude. And personally, I would sue for infrigment of my rights being violated and for police brutality. @ Denicalis I can see you are bringing nothing to this discussion, but rather try and insult and belittle me [lol 'kid'] because you don't agree with my view. Why dont stop so we dont have this thread become personal ok? We don't need a flame war, thank you. Bye. What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
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Dear Karasu:
If you are reading this, please do me a favor. Go back and read my previous posts, as it seems that you have failed to understand anything that I have said. Please do that before you continue reading the rest of this post. Thank you.
Much like the humming of the guy on the bus, the speaker's questions (after the question about Kerry's concession) were out of context and were made with no point other that being disruptive. Once it became apparent that he was no longer legitimately trying to question Kerry, he was asked to leave the microphone, which he refused to do. Thus, he was promptly attempted to be escorted out of the building. You never answered my question. Do you think that "Were you in a skull and bones with George Bush" was an intelligent and honest question? If he had asked "Do you eat human excrement?" or "How large is your penis?" would you have allowed him to continue speaking? Would removing him under those situations have violated his freedom of speech? What if he got up and started to read from the Florida state phone book? Would it be a violation of his First Amendment rights if they removed him before he got the the B's?
It was a sponsored 'open forum' put on by the University of Florida. The organizers have a right to remove you if they feel you are being disruptive. This is not congress. There is no filibuster. If you are being an idiot, we don't have to sit and listen to you.
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Last edited by CloudNine; Sep 20, 2007 at 02:10 AM.
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The right to make an ass of oneself, of course.
This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
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Fast talkers are disruptive because they always want to get their word out to "win" the debate. Someone tries to answer but they just keep talking faster and faster and louder because they feel more stronger and powerful. (very fucking annoying because they don't know how to be concise.) You can see he angles his body and looks towards the audience to try and provoke an uproar in his favor. He even patronizes Kerry in a sarcastic way, "You won the election. Isn't that amazing?" That's another sign that this guy wanted to dish a huge battle of words with Kerry. An argument is NOT orderly conduct. They foresaw this so they pulled the mic. Now, if the guy kept his cool and spoke calmly from the beginning then the whole thing could've went well.
The video at 2:13, the guy is on the floor. 2:28, you hear someone say there's a taser on him. 3:07, you hear the taser popping. The police held back on using the taser for 39 seconds. That means they had no other choice but to use um.... I guess you'd call it "brutality", to restrain him. Rule #1: When the po po grabs your arms. You don't fight back or snap your arms out of their hand. As you can see in the video it turns into resisting arrest. And you can be arrested for resisting arrest. I love that video. The dude got what was coming to him. They taser'd his ass. It went POPopopop. LOLOLOL. This made my day. He was literally screaming "FIRE" in a crowded theater. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?
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Thats what I was trying to do in the first place, thanks. @Melomane Yea, when someone with holds you from speaking your opinion, preventing you from expressing your individuality. The cops and whoever was in charge, clearly was trying to silence him. @CloudNine You're making this personal, and I have no desire to battle it out with you, as I can see this entire debate now is "Everyone against Karasu because he's on the kid's side and thinks different like an individual".
And as for your question, it didn't have true relevance i'll give you that, but...it was a fucking question. Big Deal. Kerry wouldn't have gone into detail about it anyway since it's a secret society.
@Jouhou Yep. Too many cops are trigger happy with those tasers, and these cops are no different in that area. It takes...7....7...cops to handle one college kid? And on top of that they have to taser the guy because they can't handle it. Bad Form. As I can see though, i'm the lone eagle because I think like an individual and disagree with how these cops and officials handled the situation. It could have been done a lot better. Was the guy obnoxious? Yea I guess. I mean when he was tasered he was saying 'Ow' sarcastically...but hey...has anyone here been tasered? Do you know what it feels like? Probably not. I bet though it feels very painful, and you mock and laugh at him for being tasered? You see enjoyment in his pain? I guess you're a masochist then. Anyway, i'll receed and let you continue in saying the kid deserved it, blabla. Oh and saying "Lolz good he's gone" or some other snide comment after me leaving shows a ton of immaturity and disrespect on your part. Because you took a debate and turned it into a "I don't agree with you, so i'm going to make this thread now about you and what you say!" Which that's what has happened here. It should have been on the issue, but of course people take one guy's opinion and makes that the focus instead. Bad form, gamingforce. Bad form I was speaking idiomatically. |
I mean, it's not just that you're wrong. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. You're saying things that maybe sound good but they make no sense. But it's that you just keep chuggin' along. IMA GONNA SUE Uh, for what? MY RIGHTS What rights? IMA GONNA SUE
He was disruptive, which is why they were cutting him off. The fact that he continued to escalate it doesn't mean that he wasn't being disruptive before.
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What I choose to comment on was the relevance of what you were saying in this case. His 'good strong questions' about Kerry's concession were allowed to be asked and Kerry himself said he was going to answer his question. He was given the chance to speak freely and it was when his questions turned from 'good strong questions' to disrespective and disruptive that he was asked to leave. If he was being mocked and laughed at, it was because his questions were ridiculous. If I went up to George Bush and asked him "How come you don't were a big cowboy hat? You're form Texas aren't you?", I would probably get mocked and laughed at as well. It was a stupid, pointless question with the intent of getting a reaction, of course we are going to laugh at it. Also, he was being rude and disrespectful to Kerry and the people in the audience. His questions deserved nothing better in response. Don't try and make him a victim in that regard.
Like I said before, it wasn't the question that there was a problem with. He could have gone out side and asked that question all he wanted to. No one was taking away his rights to asks questions or state his opinion. What was a problem, though, was the disruptive manner that he choose to make his voice heard. Just because you have a right to free speech does not mean that you the right to voice it anywhere you want, regardless of the disruptions that it may cause. Just like I said before, you can't shout fire in a crowded movie theater.
They are going to take the quick route into persuading someone in custody to cooperate with them. The quickest and least physically harmful way being a taser. He was given plenty of warning before he was tasered and he knew what was coming if he did not cooperate. Also, I don't see how someone saying that restraint and the eventual use of a taser in this case was necessary is being masochistic. It is regrettable that it sometimes has to come to such violence, but it is unavoidable that it does come to that once in a while. To say that anyone who can understand the actions of the police is only doing so because they derive some sort of gratification from the violence is ignorant.
What I think is bad form is you taking a debate on two opposing viewpoints of this issue, making it personal and insulting everyone here. Once I stop commenting on your opinions on the issue and start calling you fuck boy, then you can say it is personal. Most amazing jew boots ![]() |
More than a right, freedom of speech is a responsibility. He had a right to ask questions but he was irresponsible. Someone told him to calm down a little, no need to shout into the mic. and he snaps at the person. Irresponsible children need to be tasered. ![]() What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
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@Cloud
However you're right...it has no relevance here, but i'm merely replying to your question towards me so don't take what I say to heart or try to debate ok?
Yea blowjob...its a vulgar word ok...but as Lewis Black said, ''we should be able to use adult words''. It's not like Kerry or any other person in that room hasnt heard that word before. I think they could handle that one word. Maybe that scenario was a setup for his real point before he was taken away?
Then I called whoever was 'lolzzz!!" over the fact he was being tasered, a masochist. Yet you say...something not even relevant to what I was talking about regarding my masochist comment...
Look, I can agree with you on the fact he was disruptive...disrespectful, maybe. What I don't agree with is the fact how he wasn't allowed to finish his questions because, and then arrested and tasered for it. I find that wrong, and that was my point. Like someone said earlier both parties are to blame, but I was merely saying how unfair it was for how he was being treated. Most amazing jew boots |
Just about the only thing that he could have any inkling of even suing on is the use of the taser (and that's not a strong case). There is no other case anywhere in the entire incident. Everything else is standard procedure. Whether or not you want to argue that it's unfair, well, whatever. But there is not a single matter of law that says they can't keep him from asking his questions and you keep insisting there is. You aren't wrong because your opinion is wrong (necessarily), you are wrong because you are factually wrong. That you don't understand the difference leads me to believe there is little hope of you doing much more in here than continuing to cry about how no one agrees with you and we all think you're stupid. (Which would be one thing you're actually correct on.)
What he did was disturb the peace. You argue that it only became an incident because the cops acted on his disturbing the peace, which is the same as saying that yelling "fire" isn't disturbing unless someone runs from the theater because of it. ('sup cognitive function)
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I can see i'm getting nowhere with you because you're a pompous twat, so we agree to disagree then.
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I don't agree to disagree. I agree that, if anything, you are factually incorrect and have little to know idea what you are talking about.
The things I'm calling you out on are not subjective. I don't really give two fucks what your opinion is here. There is nothing to "agree" on. I was speaking idiomatically.
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1985? Jesus kid read more newspapers, you're too old to be actingly like a barely politically-aware preteen.
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Quit making 1985 look bad >=[ How ya doing, buddy?
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First of all, someone enjoying someone else being hurt is a sadist, not a masochist. There, someone has pointed out yet another fact you have wrong. Secondly, you don't understand a goddamn thing about how freedom of speech works. He has every right to stand -outside- the building and scream about his idiotic conspiracy theories, but he doesn't have the right to disrupt a public discussion by forcing his way to the front of the line and refusing to step aside when asked. He was, in fact, disturbing the peace. And quite deliberately. You keep acting like this is a matter of opinion, when it is a matter of law. Read a fucking book or two before you decide to pull out your Che Guevara shirt and talk politics.
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Anyone find it coincidental that the microphone is cut off and the cops rush in, like, 2 seconds after the kid mentions Kerry being in a secret society? I feel like Paul Walker in a crazy prep school...
![]() And Deni, that kind of depends on who asked the kid to step aside doesn't it? It's not like I can yell out at someone to sit down and have the cops arrest them for me if they don't...unless everyone agrees with what I said. But in the video, half of the audience seems to just not care about the question until the point where he starts saying "No I will not sit down" or however he says it. It's not clear at all who tells him to sit down (from the video--the only thing I've seen from this incident). It could be an audience member. Or was it later disclosed that it was an event staff member who told him to? Jam it back in, in the dark.
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As I saw it on CNN, he was told by some moderator-type person to sit down and shut up (paraphrasing, obviously.) Though I'm not finding any good internet references to back that up.
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