And So, Earth #2 is Discovered

I propose we name it Z'ha'dum.

Oh, wait, would that be a bad thing. "Earth 2" wound up being the Vorlon homeworld anyway.

It sounds like this planet wouldn't really be a viable option for relocation, but it does give me hope that we'll find somewhere to go once we've leeched this planet's resources to the point that it's "leave or die." 20 light years is still a damn long way away. So, who's up for getting that pesky FTL flight up and running?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I guess this is what they would classify as a type "M" planet on Star Trek. I wonder if Picard ever visited Gliese.

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Originally Posted by Terminus

Fuckin' awesome.

So when Earth dies, all can just migrate to that place. Victory for science~

Yea in about... 7 billion years if I remember correctly.

(You know the whole Sun gets big and swallows up Earth, Venus, Mercury, Mars before laughing at everyone else and becoming a White Dwarf thing).

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Originally Posted by CelticWhisper

I propose we name it Z'ha'dum.
[...]

No no, much better: Sephiroth.

*run away*

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Gechmir

If we were to train at 1.6 times normal gravity, our power levels would be over NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND

:scouter br8ks:

I have to say that made me laugh.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Yamamanama

Fun fact: One of the speculations about what was below the clouds on Venus was a carbonated sea.

Fun Fact #2: The Russians landed a probe on Venus quite some time ago, only a few pictures were transmitted back to Earth before the probe melted/died a few hours later.

Also, our orbital eccentricity doesn't cause the seasons on Earth, only our axis tilt.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Gechmir

SPINNAZ~

THEY DON'T STOP

Lol.

And yeah Goku trained at 100x gravity, we will pwn this planet.

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We'll all pretty much die of heart failure, on that planet. The physical stress placed on our hearts alone would do the deed. Then again, any enduring souls would embark upon our next and very rapid evolutionary transition. Nice find.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Well that was an interesting read, tis a shame that we woun't actually learn of anything useful about such planets in our life time

Why is it that FTL is just imaginary numbers btw? I can't be arsed to google it

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by The Iceman

We'll all pretty much die of heart failure, on that planet. The physical stress placed on our hearts alone would do the deed. Then again, any enduring souls would embark upon our next and very rapid evolutionary transition. Nice find.

I imagine during any sort of journey to an extrasolar planet there would be ample opportunity for people to train for the harsher conditions (assuming we have a gravity chamber so our muscles could become over nine thooooooooousand times stronger).

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Who said life on other planets must follow the same laws of physics and whatnot that we follow? Maybe they don't even need water to have life? Who knows? Don't you think our scope of science as of today (although we call it advance and modern) COULD in fact be primitive and limited? There are so many things we can't explain, or we just don't know, and the scientists are all jumping at the "if there's water, there's possibly life!!" idea.

Maybe there can be neon-based life forms, or potassium-permanganate based life-forms, or ethereal life forms made of mass that doesn't even exist in our world that we can't comprehend out there. We all think we are so smart that everything in the universe must fit our definition of what is what.
We don't know enough as humans to scientifically calculate these things out; we can only leave that up to our imaginations and ponder the possiblities... hmmm.....

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Please don't confuse laws of physics, with astrobiology. The laws of physics are understood to be universal (at least what we understand of them).

I was speaking idiomatically.

What it Earth 2's opinion of Halo?

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This is an interesting bit of news.
It's strange though, that the first thing most people were thinking is "is it the new earth? Can it sustain life? Can we live there", which I find both humorous and kind of frightening at the same time.

With an educated guess, it will probably be at the earliest possible day about another hundred years before we can find a planet that's even remotely close to earth's habitat, rotation, revolution, and the distance from surface to the star it orbits.

And even then, we have no idea what the geological implications could be. Perhaps it's a hollow planet or something else from some science-fiction B-movie.

The chances of finding a planet just like ours are extremely low, if not impossible. Though, granted with scientific research going as fast as it has in the past forty to sixty years (which is pretty fast in my opinion, due to the growth ratio in all of recorded history), we may one day be able to terraform our own planets, and create our own solar-systems, galaxies, and possibly a universe where everyone has a mustache.

Civilian transport would be ridiculous, seeing as the so-called "space needle" being developed would take three months just to take civilians with little-to-no training just outside the atmosphere.

We don't have to worry about losing our planet for a few billion years at best. By then we may not even exist, or even then, we may evolve to something completely different than we really are.

The whole situation really raises more questions than anything.

FELIPE NO

Benjamin,

If there's a chance for something to happen, in an infinnate universe such as ours, it will.

I remember hearing that someone did some calculations on the percentage of chance that evolution took the route that it did on this planet. Yes the chance is so small you'd think it would've never happened. Yet here we are, talking on an internet message board about it

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Infinite Universe != Infinite mass. The universe is expanding, not creating infinite number of stars/planets. In a hundred billion years from now, the universe will probably dim out of existence. I think a lot of you would be interested in seeing the Drake Equation:

Quote:

The Drake equation states that:

N = R* × fp × ne × fl × fi × fc × L

where:

N is the number of civilizations in our galaxy, with which we might hope to be able to communicate;

and

R* is the rate of star formation in our galaxy
fp is the fraction of those stars that have planets
ne is the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
fl is the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop life at some point
fi is the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop intelligent life
fc is the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
L is the length of time such civilizations release detectable signals into space.

Considerable disagreement on the values of most of these parameters exists, but the values used by Drake and his colleagues in 1961 were:

* R* = 10/year (10 stars formed per year)
* fp = 0.5 (half of all stars formed will have planets)
* ne = 2 (2 planets per star will be able to develop life)
* fl = 1 (100% of the planets will develop life)
* fi = 0.01 (1% of which will be intelligent life)
* fc = 0.01 (1% of which will be able to communicate)
* L = 10,000 years (which will last 10,000 years)

Drake's values give N = 10 × 0.5 × 2 × 1 × 0.01 × 0.01 × 10,000 = 10.

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Originally Posted by Stealth

Please don't confuse laws of physics, with astrobiology. The laws of physics are understood to be universal (at least what we understand of them).

THe laws of physics are understood to be universal, like you said, at least what we understand of them. Maybe it isn't. Everything we know is NOT absolute when it comes to the universe. Theories and hypothesises are all we have based on the limited science we've developed.

Some people just think whatever scientists throw at them is absolute and that's that. No it isnt! Perhaps some concrete science like meterology or human biology has weight to it, BUT NOT astrobiology (I didn't know there was such a thing; how silly). THink for yourself, imagine what happens when scientists are wrong even in those concrete sciences (which happened quite a few times in the past century alone).

There's nowhere I can't reach.

They're understood to be universal, yes, or else we wouldn't understand even 1/10th of astrophysics that we understand today. Are we calling them universal? No. Is there a reason to believe that physics behaves wildly at any given place in the universe? Not at all. We know what we know because we're able to make such a leap of faith.

And yes, there have been instances in which physicists have been proven wrong, Newton was proven wrong by Einstein, for instance, but that just means we can figure out when we are wrong. It's pretty self-defeating if we just go around saying we don't know much of anything, and the universe is one giant wildcard because we only know physics that affects us here on Earth; thus somehow can't apply anywhere else in the universe.

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Since we're both on the same page, don't you think astrobiology is sort of a silly science, as it is based purely on non-concrete evidence and theories and "what-ifs"? Some stuff in other sciences are sort of theoretical as well; but should everyone begin to make assumptions solely based on those?

Theoretical science, as it's title suggests, shouldn't be taken for truth. Unfortunately, many do.

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