NIN:Year Zero debate.

either 23 or 24. im still buying it too. again that whole thinking about the lyrics thing was a joke. read the whole thread before you post russ.

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you're essentially dismissing the collective works of John Lennon, Elvis Costello, DEVO, Black Flag, Led Zeppelin, and Depeche Mode.

Yep I pretty much hate them all... except for zeppelin... but especially Black Flag.

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One thing that's disappointing to me about George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and all of the other founding fathers is that I can't see why they didn't appreciate the opportunities that they had as Englishmen.

But they didn't have very many opportunities as Englishmen. They were treated as second class citizens and they were taxed on everything. Hence the Revolution and all.

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Originally Posted by knkwzrd

There's a difference between hating your country and having criticisms of it.

Also, why are people bringing up A Pirfect Circle's Emotive as an example? That was a covers record, and as your disliking is lyrically and not musically based, you're essentially dismissing the collective works of John Lennon, Elvis Costello, DEVO, Black Flag, Led Zeppelin, and Depeche Mode.

EDIT: Oh geez... You're last post kind of makes that opening sentence irrelevant.

With regards to Emotive, perhaps you missed the part where I said, "I think one of the major problems with similar albums isn't so much the lyrical content as the fact that it severly dates itself." Also, when you take something as profound as Imagine and try to pass it off as a "don't vote for George Bush song" I think it sells the song short.

Also, just cause you don't like a cover doesn't mean you "dismiss the collective works" of the covered musician. I love the song Landslide, but I can't fucking stand the Dixie Chicks butchering of the song.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Right, i love APC, i just don't like it when they bitch and moan.

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read the whole thread before you post russ.

I read the entire thread. I especially liked the parts where you come off as a mindless drone programmed to never question authority.

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Right, i love APC, i just don't like it when they bitch and moan.

Uh ok, what?

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Right, i love APC, i just don't like it when they bitch and moan.

When was this? The parts when Maynard isn't singing?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by MetheGelfling

With regards to Emotive, perhaps you missed the part where I said, "I think one of the major problems with similar albums isn't so much the lyrical content as the fact that it severly dates itself."

I agree somewhat, in the opinion that anti-Bush songs that are made by unintellectual, knee-jerk reaction bands are utter brainwashed trash.

However, to dismiss political songs because they "date themselves" is a bit rash. There are a ton of classic rock songs from the late '60s that criticize the Vietnam War and we still listen to them.

And to all the people attacking Aramaethe, cut him some slack. If an artist that I listened to for a while (and you enjoy his music) starts putting in lyrics that I personally find offensive or derivative, I'd be disappointed too. I dunno if I'd post a thread about it, though.

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Originally Posted by JazzFlight

And to all the people attacking Aramaethe, cut him some slack. If an artist that I listened to for a while (and you enjoy his music) starts putting in lyrics that I personally find offensive or derivative, I'd be disappointed too. I dunno if I'd post a thread about it, though.

I think the reason people are reacting so harshly in this case in particular is that Nine Inch Nails has so obviously been contrary to general conservative ideals since the bands inception. One only needs to even glance at the lyrics to "Head Like A Hole" – the first song on the first record – to realize this. "God, money, let's go dancing on the backs of the bruised" can hardly be interpreted as anything but an indictment of capitalism.


Also, the covers song comment was more directed to Aramaethe than you, MetheGelfing. The dismissal of an artists collective work only really applies if the cover is disliked due to lyrics, and to be honest I did miss the "dates itself" comment.

How ya doing, buddy?

I agree about NIN being anti-conservative from the start, so it shouldn't be so much of a surprise.

I guess it'd be more applicable with say, John Mayer, who has a slight (very slight) political stance in his latest album, but had pretty benign lyrics in the first two albums.

Muse also took a more anti-Bush stance in their last album, and although I am a moderate, I found the songs to be just as kickass as their previous work.

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Originally Posted by Aramaethe

either 23 or 24. im still buying it too. again that whole thinking about the lyrics thing was a joke. read the whole thread before you post russ.

You're insisting that just about everything you post is out of jest, yet you demand to be taken seriously. Hmm...

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apart from talking about APC and how could someone criticise teh USA there's a wee bit info on YZ:

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NINE INCH NAILS is scheduled to film a video for the new track entitled "Survivalism" beginning Monday, February 5 in the Los Angeles area. The song comes off the group's new album, "Year Zero", which is slated for an April release.

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