[Classic] Koopalings vs Bowser Jr.

Mainly nostalgia led me to vote for the original koopalings. Bowser Jr.'s cool and all, but he does grate on my nerves a bit.

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Easy vote for the Koopalings. Bowser Jr. is just uninspired and generic in every way. Waluigi is the same.

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What's with this "Koopalings vs. Bowser Jr." crap? Can't you guys just accept that they're ALL his kids? It's just that Bowser does indeed play favorites, and his favorite is Bowser Junior. That's all there is to it. As for the Koopa Kids in the Mario Party games, I believe they're just a bunch of regular koopa children that idolize Bowser and make themselves look like him. I mean, really, it's far simpler than you guys are making it seem.

I personally believe the Koopalings will return canonically.

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All I know is that Bowser must have got really busy ... if you know what I mean.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I just realized...maybe Bowser is a piss poor father, so his wife left him and took all seven koopalings with her. That would explain a lot.

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Maybe Bowser Jr. was the only one to go with the mom over the 80's and 90's then in the 00's when he was introduced to being a char in the video games, apparently the mom didn't want him anymore and gave him to Bowser.

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Koopalings and Bowser Jr. are about on par as a whole... annoying sub bosses with their own personalities.

But Ludwig von Koopa is cooler than all the rest of them combined, so my vote went to the Koopalings. Ludwig is more competent than Eggman, I'd bet.

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Originally Posted by KCJ506

Will we ever know how he got all these kids?

Ever wonder what peach does every time she gets "kidnapped"?

Mario never had a clue.

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Originally Posted by J-Man

Ever wonder what peach does every time she gets "kidnapped"?

Yes... she sits in a cage and waits for Mario.

But wait, maybe she gets bored and sometimes brings along a PSP! OH GOD MARIO NEVER HAD A CLUE!!!!

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Really, I'm not all that partial to Bowser Jr. either. However my point is that they've done more with him and better than the Koopalings. Both the Koopalings and Bowser Jr. have a lot of potential that isn't being used. I just don't understand the hatred of having 1 slightly better but not-so-great boss plus a bunch of cool bosses versus a bunch of lame-ass bosses that have this spike of nostalgia factor because of Mario 3.

Really, if you guys played Mario 3 for boss battles then you need to get out right now. Mario 3 was known for its levels, enemies, and music. It was a damn great game in those respects but when it came to bosses it sucked ass and although I'm sure the Koopalings had that cool factor b/c the 80's punkrock look or whatever it didn't make up for the fact that it was the same shit over and over. I'd say Boom Boom had more variety than those clowns and that's how Bowser Jr. is in New Super Mario Bros. Likewise Big Boo, the Reznors, and Clown Copter Bowser were the only interesting bosses in Super Mario World.

Do I dislike the Koopalings? I dislike their lame-excuse boss battles but I understand that they could be cool if given a chance. Do I think Bowser Jr. is the coolest boss ever? No. He needs some work even though his fight along side Bowser at the end was really cool. He might be lame in your eyes be it you think he's a rip-off of Baby Bowser (he is older than Baby Bowser you do realize this, right?) or that his motivations seem a bit juvenile. He's a kid. A kid who tries to give Mario a run for his money and actually has a tiny bit of backstory and motivation however crappy you think them. That's more than the Koopalings have.

So that's why I vote Bowser Jr. Not because I adore his character, but because I like him as a boss much more and in the Mario games these bunch of bosses have appeared in that's what matters most.

That being said, I really think Nintendo could have a lot of fun if they brought back the Koopalings as if they had come back from doing their thing in life and have Bowser Jr. get jealous or something since he isn't getting the attention he's been getting for these past few years, have him mastermind some sort of project or some crap. I dunno but you could easily wrap a story around the bunch. The real trick will to give them all good character and have them all be great bosses. And of course all this in addition to great Yoshi's Island-esque original creature bosses.

However, story has its prices and we know that wasn't a very sunny spot in Super Mario Sunshine. Then again the Mario RPGs have proven quite differently so you never know. It could work.

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Bowser Jr. was a better boss in the games, yeah. I just like the Koopalings from the cartoons anyway.

There is also a relationship with Koopalings and Bowser. Not sure what it is, (father/children or uncle/nephews-nieces, etc.), but there is one. Bowser Jr. seemed to be introduced in lieu of Baby Mario/Luigi. And he wasn't always treated the same. In Mario & Luigi, he WAS Bowser but from the past. In New Super Mario Bros., a son or something. In Mario Party, they're like servants or something. :/

I still think it'd be cool to bring back the Koopalings in a game for nostalgic effect.

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The Koopa Kids are better than Bowser Jr. if for no other reason than they add variety to the game. I don't want some generic boss repainted different colors. And I must say, I am really shocked people opted for Bower Jr. He's just another Waluige/Todette rip-off of a character.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by nazpyro

Bowser Jr. was a better boss in the games, yeah. I just like the Koopalings from the cartoons anyway.

I'm surprised that anyone else remembers the Super Mario Bros. 3 cartoon. I'm very afraid to watch the DVD's of that show...seeing it as an adult and realizing how horrible it was would probably destroy a lot of my childhood memories. Didn't they make up random names for the Koopalings, instead of using their actual names?

I don't find the Koopalings to be very inspiring villains, at least not in boss battles, but at least they had some variety in character design in Super Mario Bros 3 and Super Mario World, and Super Mario World had...was it three completely different types of Koopaling boss battle? The only game with Bowser Jr. that I've played for more than an hour or so is New Super Mario Brothers, and I personally thought that fighting the same block of polygons, with only minor changes in attack patterns, got pretty boring around the third tower...that game had different bosses in the castles, but Bowser Jr. stayed almost the same for the whole game.

I really agree with AcerBandit's thoughts...neither group of enemies is very good. I honestly don't expect a great deal of plot development in a platformer, but it would be nice if Nintendo could at least include a bit more variety and originality, either with Bowser Jr. or the Koopalings.

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I voted for Bowser Jr. because he seems to have a bit more personality and uniqueness attached to him. I haven't seen the cartoon, comics, or whatever other forms of media the Koopalings were in, but Bowser Jr. seems to have a mischievous side distinct from that of the Koopalings.

Bowser Jr. takes on the identity of spoiled brat/son. He has done whatever he wanted to out of his own volition (although in Sunshine he was misinformed). The Koopalings were treated more like minions that Bowser put in Mario's way rather than relatives. They haven't even said anything in the past several years (I guess you could count the two text boxes each of them has said in Mario is Missing, one for Mario entering a new floor and one for beating said floor).

As for the family tree, I'm not going to strain my brain on how it works. Nintendo isn't going to elaborate on it anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by VitaPup

The Koopa Kids are better than Bowser Jr. if for no other reason than they add variety to the game. I don't want some generic boss repainted different colors.

... but that's exactly what THEY ARE.

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit

(he is older than Baby Bowser you do realize this, right?)

You do realize that Baby Bowser is... Bowser as a baby, and that Bowser Jr. is his son, right? How the hell is he older than his father? You make no sense at all dude. Where did you get this information in the first place?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Nostalgia for the win. And because of that the 7 old-skool guys.

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Originally Posted by Rakka

I'm surprised that anyone else remembers the Super Mario Bros. 3 cartoon. I'm very afraid to watch the DVD's of that show...seeing it as an adult and realizing how horrible it was would probably destroy a lot of my childhood memories. Didn't they make up random names for the Koopalings, instead of using their actual names?

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Although the reason for their name change is disputed, it's most likely that DIC didn't have access to their real names during production of the show, for they were probably using the Japanese version of Super Mario Bros. 3 as reference, in which the Koopa Kids were not given names until its US release. The made-up names were added in place. Apparently, DIC was never informed of the change at first. Oddly enough, bits from the American version were inserted (calling Kooky "Kooky 'Von' Koopa", referring to King Koopa as "Bowser"), which clearly shows DIC became aware of the change. Why DiC never reverted their names back to their video game counterparts is unknown to this day.

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Originally Posted by PsychoJosh

You do realize that Baby Bowser is... Bowser as a baby, and that Bowser Jr. is his son, right? How the hell is he older than his father? You make no sense at all dude. Where did you get this information in the first place?

I don't think you understood what I meant. Baby Bowser is a toddler in his game. Bowser Jr. in his games is probably like 10 or something. When comparing the two characters take into account their apparant age. I wasn't comparing Bowser Jr. in age to full-grown Bowser. That would make no sense.

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There's a Spanish Proverb: "Don't speak unless you can improve upon the silence."

I understand what you're saying, Acer. You voted for Bowser Jr. for the gameplay associated with him. Myself and the other Koopa Kid'ders voted against him for his personality.

To me, Bowser Jr. is just a generically whiny, bratty kid. Along with Waluigi, he's just a stereotype. The Koopa Kids may have not said much (or anything) in the games, where it most counts, but I certainly see that as better than the recent attempts at establishing Bowser Jr's personality.

Personally, I kind of liked Booster as the alternative "Peach kidnapper" in Mario RPG. He was funny, in a crazy sort of way. But then again, I think I just appreciate Mario RPG for the fact that it had a decent (if not more than decent) plot development.


Will we ever know how he got all these kids? Magic or does Koopa actually have game?
If I recall correctly, there was a "Mama Bowser" in Mario's Time Machine. She was in the library, and for some reason, she was nice to Mario.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Vulpes_Callidus

If I recall correctly, there was a "Mama Bowser" in Mario's Time Machine.

Please don't tell me you're actually regarding that game as canon.

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Originally Posted by PsychoJosh

Please don't tell me you're actually regarding that game as canon.

Hell no. Just thought I'd throw it out there.

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