Women and porn

Originally Posted by julia

Who am I to determine? I don't ~ I'm going by what the good book says a Christian should and should not do. And by God, God is one serious God when it comes to obeying his laws, no?

Ah, Julia. EVERYONE sees something different in the Bible. Apparently, you and the rest of the world all have different opinions! Makes life interesting, right?

I am going to BITE my tongue on my perspective on this one. ;_;

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Tehy basically thought I was a horrible mother to even possibly think I would not have a problem with him smoking pot.

Must be a regional thing.

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And guess what? I dealt with that very issue about 6 months ago while I was gone from GFF. I can't say that I jumped for joy when I found out; I was more upset in the manner of how it came to happen (long, boring story). But regardless, I have since then known about when he has drank and the times he has smoked pot because he tells me and doesn't sneak behind my back. I'm not sure if that makes sense to you or makes me sound leniant, but I guess I am pretty laid back about those things.

Like most things, it's easy to say what you WOULD do until it actually happens. The story changes a little when it happens to you.

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I just don't know what to answer to your daugher questions. Though I've never been paid to have sex, I've been with a lot of people in my 43 years, starting from the age of 19. Does that make me a bad person or a whore?

Depends on your motivations in sleeping with these men. ^_^

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Immorality is a tough issue~

Tough, but infinitely interesting, you've gotta admit.

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The thing is, julia, we're ALL bad people. Every single one of us. And self-righteousness is just as big a sin as fornication. NO ONE is in a position to judge anyone else. That's for God and God alone to do.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland

The thing is, julia, we're ALL bad people. Every single one of us. And self-righteousness is just as big a sin as fornication. NO ONE is in a position to judge anyone else. That's for God and God alone to do.

O MAN JULIA. YOU'RE GOING TO HELL, YOU SELF-RIGHTEOUS BITCH.

Look at me. I am trying to be funny.

So wait. Fornication is technically a sin, now? Maybe I have confused the definition of "fornication," but isn't it essentially sex? Because if sex is a sin in Alice's church, man. We're all going to hell.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Fornication is sex outside of marriage. Oh, and I wasn't saying that julia is self-righteous. I was talking about preacher-man from E!

I was speaking idiomatically.

Fornication is sex out of wedlock, I believe.

Edit: Jacked.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

It's a sin outside of marriage according to some and the Catholics certainly think sex is only for pro-creation...haha. Correct me on that one if I'm wrong.

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Like most things, it's easy to say what you WOULD do until it actually happens. The story changes a little when it happens to you.

Exactly. Hence me not being able to fully and honestly answer your question about having a daughter who might do what Jenna J. does. I can't say I'd be thrilled to know she would be called the names she would be called. As for Jenna, she accepts that as part of what she does and can grasp that not everyone agrees with what she does.

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Depends on your motivations in sleeping with these men. ^_^

Sex might possibly be the driving force here for me? I can honestly say most were out of being horny and not for love. What can I say? I like sex. A few years ago when I thought about this and the people I had been with, it came out to be an average of about 1 person a year. This is taking into consideration that some years I was with more than one person and some years, concurrent with each other even!, I did not have sex at all. Does that make me a slut because I like sex and have been with more people than I can count on two hands? I don't think so. I don't dress like one and don't carry myself as one. I'm certainly not a whore as I don't get paid for sex, if we want to use those terms.

Anyhow, yeah, I'm being self-righteous alright. :-)~ Not. I'm just saying just because this preacher believes what he believes does not make Jenna J. a bad person. But he is certainly going to do his best to make her look bad.

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Originally Posted by julia

I'm certainly not a whore as I don't get paid for sex, if we want to use those terms.

Money is not the only form of payment.

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Man, you gave me away, Dhsu. haha...nah, no other forms of payment either.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by julia

It's a sin outside of marriage according to some and the Catholics certainly think sex is only for pro-creation...haha. Correct me on that one if I'm wrong.

No where to my knowledge does it say that sex outside of marriage is a sin, but many churches would love to have you think that way. :-/

What is morality? A question between what is viewed as right and wrong, correct? What about morality will keep you from getting to heaven? Morality and sin is not always the same thing. Yes working for the porn industry is morally wrong to some, but is it something that you believe God would bar you from heaven for?

Here is a situation for you. A man and a woman, married, come under hard times financially. Due to the situation the man is unable to work, (ie disabled, cripple, whatever use your imagination, etc) so they decide that in order to get enough money to put food on their plate that they will prostitute the woman’s body as a means of survival.

The question is this, is it a sin? Also do you consider this immoral?

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Originally Posted by Gumby

The question is this, is it a sin? Also do you consider this immoral?

Uh, yea. It's still immoral. If anything, even worse.

So two idiots decide that their only option to make any money is to whore the wife out to make a buck.

So you're syaing that BECAUSE the husband (or whomever) says thats its OKAY to do, it's no longer IMMORAL? Because both parties AGREE that it's okay? Wow. Thats....uh....interesting.

Be careful what you say, buddy. I hope you don't actually THINK it's okay to do.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

No and no.

I meant according to the Bible it is a sin to fornicate. Fornication is sex between people who are not married to each other. I guess that can emcompass two people who are single and not married to each other and also two people (or one isn't) who are married, but not to each other.

Ok, I found a page that explains what they think fornication is. It lists some OT and NT verses about fornication. http://www.rmsbibleengineering.com/P...y/Page2_1.html

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The question is this, is it a sin? Also do you consider this immoral?

A better question to ask is why it is immoral. It easier to simply label something as immoral/unethical/wrong than it is to explain why it is so. And I mean an explanation other than an appeal to authority (God says so, the Bible says so, the Law says so).

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by ElectricSheep

A better question to ask is why it is immoral. It easier to simply label something as immoral/unethical/wrong than it is to explain why it is so. And I mean an explanation other than an appeal to authority (God says so, the Bible says so, the Law says so).

In this case, you're going to get into some deeper philosophy. People have questioned how we came up with the concept of "good" and "bad" since the beginning of reasoning.

Some people use religion, others use logic, others use what other people have studied. No one will have a straight answer for the world. It's a personal truth.

How ya doing, buddy?

Forgetting religion for a moment, I want to know WHY exactly being a porn star is immoral.

Because I can't come up with any reasons in particular, besides lack of fulfilling labor.

How ya doing, buddy?

Because I got bored about halfway through this here second page with responses, I'm going to blindly offer my two cents and give you all my whole stance on this thing.

First of all, I speak as a Christian who is fully aware of all the bullshit I've pulled off over the years. I am fully aware I am not perfect, that I sin just like everybody else, and that I'm only human and can only follow in what good footsteps that are laid out before me. I only have two feet, and I'm sure I will trip along the way, but the the important thing for me is to keep trying to follow that path; to be as good and as geniune as possible, even though most of humanity enrages the ever-living shit out of me.

As Alice said above, people here on earth, even those associated with Churches and other such Holy things... While they may be "leaders" of a sort, they are not capable of dictating how we should live our lives, nor are they capable of dictating where we go after we die. That is left for God and God alone to do when that time comes. So, essentially, just continue living your life as you are and have been, and don't worry about it too much. I mean, just concentrate on being a good person; if you have to ask yourself "what makes a person good?" there's a good chance you're not one of those people!

ANyway, now about the whores and hookers, thing. I don't especially approve of prostitution, but... Unfortunately, people are going to find a way to sell themselves whether the rest of us like it or not. And because of that, we kind of have to get past our own personal vendetta's and just accept the fact that hey, shit happens. OH well.

My own personal stance on prostitution and whore-ism is this: I think it's some warped feminist bullshit that women around the world who are particularly keen on sex use to... Well, solicite themselves. I don't think it's a legitimate job, even if you do get paid and get paid well for it. Hitmen get paid a lot of money to nip off other people's wives, husbands, children, etc, so getting paid to do something doesn't mean it's a good job to have, nor does it make it any more of a "socially acceptable" thing to do (However I say this as someone who draws porn and posts it publicly on a frequent basis)

I do not know Jenna Jameson nor do I really care who she is. If she's a good person, she's a good person, I won't argue that. I don't care for her profession much, but if it's something she enjoys, I guess all I can say all the more power to her. And, you know, offer a prayer for her protection. I hear being a hooker/prositute/porn star can be a pretty dangerous business ;_;

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

As for Christians and their malarchy, well, I never take those religious types seriously, and I would offer that advice to anyone listening to people like that. They use their religion to spread their personal beliefs, and while I'm an Atheist, if God does exist, I know for sure that these crazy Fundamentalists are going to be the ones burning in Hell.

As for the porn industry, I don't see a problem with it. Yes, some girls and women are kidnapped and forced into it, but by and large, it's a voluntary job. I'd say the hookers and especially the strippers of the world are laughing all the way to the bank, considering how much they get paid. Sex, well, we all know how much fun that is. Stripping, well, I've never been a stripper, but I have done my fair share of erotic dancing and such on a more personal level, and I must admit, it's actually pretty hot even for the one doing the stripping. Heck, even I've thought about getting into porn a couple times, but I just can't bring myself to "sell myself"; that, however, is a personal choice, and I have no problem with women who make opposite choice. More power to them, they aren't doing anything wrong. Heck, I believe prostitution should be legalized, personally.

Originally Posted by Seris

I don't think it's a legitimate job, even if you do get paid and get paid well for it. Hitmen get paid a lot of money to nip off other people's wives, husbands, children, etc, so getting paid to do something doesn't mean it's a good job to have, nor does it make it any more of a "socially acceptable" thing to do

Just remember to note that assassins are getting paid to hurt (kill) people, while prostitutes are getting paid to give pleasure. In my opinion, that makes all the difference. Too bad my morals conflict with my job so often (I technically shouldn't be condoning prostitution) . . .

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Originally Posted by julia

Judge not, lest ye be judged ~ Can any Christian on here tell me how this man could have sat there with his arrogant attitude and said such a thing?

This is when I get mad at the hypocrisy of Christianity. A Christian is supposed to be a witness in their words, lifestyles and actions, and if someone who was struggling with the acceptance of Christ in their life saw this, they could say, "Hey! If that man who is a leader and a follower of God can judge people, so can I! To hell with what the Bible says I should do!"

He probably belongs to the same group of preps that would spit on the dorks and party all weekend and then attend church every Sunday. My little sister is almost exactly like the guy you are talking about. It's really annoying, but I keep reminding myself that not all Christians are like them.

The thing about some denominations of Christianity is that they will focus on some parts of the Bible and ignore other parts of the Bible in order to make their point. They used the Bible to justify slavery even though the Bible basically says in context that slavery is bad. They used the Bible against the Women's Movement in the 1900's by saying that women should be subservient to men. A similar thing is going on with homosexuality.

Heck, in the gnotsic books it claims that God will one day perform an "Ultimate Forgiveness". This is where God will look down into Hell and say, "Ok, you've been punished enough, you're free to come home." The entire Bible was built on the idea of chosing some books and rejecting other books. Yes, there were books that were rejected b/c there was no way they could've been credible, but there were other books--like the one mentioning the "Ultimate Forgiveness"--that were considered more credible than even Revelations, yet they didn't like the message it sent, so it wasn't included.

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The second part is ~ Jenna admitted she likes was she does as a porn star and was never coerced into it. Yet, so many women think that women who are strippers, porn stars, etc. are exploited. Yes, they can be by the unwilling, but there are many who like doing what they do. Why can't these women accept that some women like being hookers, porn stars and so on? Is it beyond their comprehension that a woman can think for herself?

Just some thoughts I had and wanted to know what you all thought.

I think some women are against it b/c of the whole feminism movement. Some think that women who parade themselves in front of men and act as though they are just a pair of breasts and a butt may destroy everything feminists have been fighting for: equality. However, third wave feminism has an argument about women using their sexuality in order to get ahead and while the second wave feminism disagree entirely and believe that women who do this sort of thing are destroying their rights to equality.

There's also the whole religious aspect of it where porn and hookers may promote different kinds of sin. The societal taboo regarding porn and hookers also affects the view of women toward other women who like to perform in porn.

Originally Posted by Hachifusa

Forgetting religion for a moment, I want to know WHY exactly being a porn star is immoral.

Because I can't come up with any reasons in particular, besides lack of fulfilling labor.

My best guess would be b/c some people think it might promote actions such as masturbation and sex outside of marriage (which is considered taboo in some places/religions...yes there are regions where masturbation is considered to be bad). Also, some women feel that if their male partners watch porn then that means they are not attractive and they feel bad about themselves. Hence some of the crazy ramblings of, "You watch porn b/c you don't love me anymore! You don't think I'm pretty! You're cheating on me aren't you?!"

One rule of marriage that my dad and his buddies say to newlyweds: "If she ain't happy...you ain't happy."

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Originally Posted by niki

One of the most important figure of Christianity remains the repented prostitute Mary Magdalene.

The whole concept of Mary Magdalene as prostitute is still up in the air, and not for the bullshit reasons Dan Brown brought up. There's translation problems in the greek and hebrew.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

There's There are translation problems in the greek and hebrew.

Imagine if they mistranslated one simple word - how many others did they mistranslate? I mean, its plausible. Maybe they really wanted us to do nothing but have orgies all day long.

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PattyNBK made a valid point, imo, about the difference between hitmen and prostitutes, etc. Each job, entails at least two people ~ the one who is performing the action and the one who is the recipient of that action. In one case, the recipient is unaware of the action that is going to be performed on them and thusly, they meet their death. The other recepient pays to have a particular action perfomed on or to them and they will go home still alive, and happy, I might add.

I, too, think prostitution should be legalized. If someone wants to pay another for sex, whose business is that but their's? Do prostitutes get busted for receiving favors (jewelry, trips, etc.) instead of money? I ask that as a serious question because I don't know.

In fact, it seems some of you keep forgetting there would be no prostitutes, porn stars and such if there was not a demand for it.

Visavi, this Ultimate Forgiveness ~ I've never heard of it. I guess I need to read up on that.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

The whole concept of Mary Magdalene as prostitute is still up in the air, and not for the bullshit reasons Dan Brown brought up. There's translation problems in the greek and hebrew.

I know. The issue was only brought up in the 60s though, so it doesnt really change the fact it has been an important symbol of Christinaty for a few thousand years.

It's another topic where, after all, actual truth matters few imo. =p

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by julia

Who am I to determine? I don't ~ I'm going by what the good book says a Christian should and should not do. And by God, God is one serious God when it comes to obeying his laws, no?

Yeah but God is pretty forgiving and realizes that keeping the law isn't the primary objective. Read... uh Galatians I think. Paul goes into being justified by faith rather than by the law.

I wonder what the same preacher/priest who condemmed Jameson to eternal damnation would think of Sky Lopez who retired from proning in 05 and is now doing ministry work and persuing a music career.

Julia, I see where you're coming from with the legalization of prostitution. What's funny is that you can't pick up a hooker, but if you have an audition with a video camera, it isn't considered prostitution. The deal about making prostitution illegal is that it's an attempt to legislate morality.

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It isn't legalised in some places because the politicians that "ok" the decision would lose the support of the moral majority that currently plagues America and a few other nations around the world. I think it would be far safer for all concerned if there were safe areas... a government-sanctioned red-light district where prostitutes can work safely, without locals getting pissed off that they hang around homes and areas where kids play.

As for this guy who had a go at Jenna, well, don't they say "Let he without sin cast the first stone"? According to Christians, most of the population of the globe is going to hell, including me, so I really wouldn't give a shit about what this guy says. I don't personally think what she does is a morally good thing to do, but if she enjoys herself and has the freedom to do what she wants, I can't complain either.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Ulysses, good points in your first paragraph. And yes, it certainly would make sense to have the prostitutes work in an area where children are not present. That's what they do in Nevada ~ throw the brothels out in the desert. =p

Your Bible quote is basically along the same lines as the one I quoted. He is a sinner too, I realize that, but to publicly throw out that judgment was not the brightest of moves and I would imagine his God is frowning at him for that. Wonder if he will ask God to forgive him for that. I highly doubt it.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

There's one line that I'll always remember from the bible, though I haven't actually confirmed if it's ACTUALLY in there or not......

"He came with the strength of the Lord"

take that any way you will XDXD

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