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When South Africa did it, it's Apartheid. When Israel does it, it's National Defense.



There's nowhere I can't reach.

Your hamfisted propaganda is winning hearts and minds, Brady.

Not like that other guy's hamfisted propaganda.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Maybe Voice of Reason could feel pride in his presence amongst us Gentiles if we changed his name to Voice of Hasbara.

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Originally Posted by Bradylama

When South Africa did it, it's Apartheid. When Israel does it, it's National Defense.

Did what?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Segregate an entire ethnic group from the minority settler population, disenfranchise them, use them as cheap labor, treat them as sub-human, etc.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Segregate an entire ethnic group from the minority settler population

UN decisions, War of Independence, etc.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

disenfranchise them

This is a bit confusing. Disenfranchise whom? Are you talking about Palestinians or Israeli Arabs here? The term disenfranchise can't be applied to the first and is untrue about the latter.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

use them as cheap labor

Mutual agreement benefiting both sides.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

treat them as sub-human

How exactly? Elaborate.


Anyway, none of the things you've mentioned is the "it" representing national defense.

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What about the "security" wall with the remote-controlled machineguns? What about the active demolition of Palestinian homes for the purposes of Jewish settlement? What about Operation Cast Lead? What about the invasion of South Lebanon in 2006?

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UN decisions, War of Independence, etc.

That et cetera being the Nakba, an active policy of ethnic cleansing that created 750,000 refugees from Mandate Palestine. Decades of occupation after wars of Israeli aggression. A border wall which is only years old. Military checkpoints which stifle travel and make commerce next to impossible. Active economic policies which favor Israeli farmers over Gazans and West Bank farmers. The settlement of most of the quality land in the West Bank and the unilateral annexation of East Jerusalem, and et cetera and et cetera.

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This is a bit confusing. Disenfranchise whom? Are you talking about Palestinians or Israeli Arabs here? The term disenfranchise can't be applied to the first and is untrue about the latter.

Except for the fact that Palestinians don't have a state, and aren't granted voting rights in Israel, a country which determines every aspect of their economic conditions.

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Mutual agreement benefiting both sides.

Except you don't even use Palestinians as labor in Israel anymore. You'd rather ship in guest workers from India or Turkey, to the point that the Gaza strip has over 40% unemployment.

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How exactly? Elaborate.

Facing the constant indignities of an occupation so dystopian it would seem nightmarish. So cruel it would make the Nazis blush.

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Originally Posted by Bradylama

What about the "security" wall with the remote-controlled machineguns? What about Operation Cast Lead? What about the invasion of South Lebanon in 2006?

Now, this is national defense.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

What about the active demolition of Palestinian homes for the purposes of Jewish settlement?

What about putting some effort in your lies by making them more believable? You know, demolition of Palestinian homes "for the purposes of Jewish settlement" doesn't really make much sense. I mean, in theory, why demolish the homes if the purpose is Jewish settlement? Wouldn't Jewish settlement without the "demolition of Palestinian homes" part be much more plausible, economically?

Originally Posted by Bradylama

That et cetera being the Nakba, an active policy of ethnic cleansing that created 750,000 refugees from Mandate Palestine.

Well, given the fact that currently 20% of Israel's population are Arabs, that "policy of ethnic cleansing" doesn't sound quite active. As a matter of a fact the Palestinians left their homes out of fear that such "ethnic cleansing" might take place. Fortunately (unfortunately?), it didn't.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Decades of occupation after wars of Israeli aggression.

Sure, you may call all neighboring Arab states attacking Israel simultaneously with the purpose of completely wiping it out "wars of Israeli aggression". That has zero effect on reality.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

A border wall which is only years old. Military checkpoints which stifle travel and make commerce next to impossible. Active economic policies which favor Israeli farmers over Gazans and West Bank farmers. The settlement of most of the quality land in the West Bank and the unilateral annexation of East Jerusalem, and et cetera and et cetera.

You start a war. You lose it. What do you expect?

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Except for the fact that Palestinians don't have a state

Except for the fact this "fact" of yours isn't really a fact, since Palestinians do have a state. Just not an independent one (yet).

Originally Posted by Bradylama

and aren't granted voting rights in Israel

There are plenty of obvious reasons for that. You know, like Palestinians not officially recognizing the state of Israel, wishing for complete destruction of state of Israel, not really being a part of Israel, etc. Believe it or not, racism isn't one of those reasons. Besides, they are granted voting rights in Palestine.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Except you don't even use Palestinians as labor in Israel anymore.

Is this for the better or the worse? Besides, we still do. Just in a much more limited quantity. For safety reasons.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

You'd rather ship in guest workers from India or Turkey

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!! Turkey? TURKEY?! Really? We'd rather not. Now, Thailand or Philippines, that's another story. They're disciplined, cheap and don't blow themselves up in heavily crowded places. Almost perfect.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Facing the constant indignities of an occupation so dystopian it would seem nightmarish.

Elaborate.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

So cruel it would make the Nazis blush.

Nah, it wouldn't. To say such things you must know very little about very little, be a Jew hater, or, most likely, both.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

An extremist arguing with a jingoist. My brain hurts trying to imagine a more boring political discussion or one that would somehow accomplish less. Every time I read Brady's posts, I want to punch a palestinian, and every time I read VoR's posts, I want to kick someone with stupid braids in the scrotum.

One day you'll both wake up, look in a mirror, and realise the idiot you were arguing with was yourself using different nouns. I mean, you both get that no one believes either of your ridiculous propaganda, right?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

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This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

An extremist arguing with a jingoist. My brain hurts trying to imagine a more boring political discussion or one that would somehow accomplish less. Every time I read Brady's posts, I want to punch a palestinian, and every time I read VoR's posts, I want to kick someone with stupid braids in the scrotum.

One day you'll both wake up, look in a mirror, and realise the idiot you were arguing with was yourself using different nouns. I mean, you both get that no one believes either of your ridiculous propaganda, right?

This Pox on Both Houses bullshit is even more infuriating than Voice of Reason's brainwashed fever dreams.

You'd punch a Palestinian over my posts? Fuck you. Fuck you forever. While you sit in a Canadian dorm somewhere sipping on Mountain Dew and trimming your neckbeard there are people in East Jerusalem who are having their homes demolished because Bibi wants to make the point that Israel can do whatever it wants in the occupied territories.

Why don't you read a fucking book before you say you're going to punch a person in the face who lives in some of the worst conditions in the developed world due to conditions dictated by one of the largest military juggernauts ever.

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Regarding beating one up: Fibi Netanyahu - by Liel Leibovitz > Tablet Magazine - A New Read on Jewish Life

I was speaking idiomatically.

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A newly revealed tape of Netanyahu in 2001, being interviewed while he thinks the cameras are off, shows him in a radically different light. In it, Netanyahu dismisses American foreign policy as easy to maneuver, boasts of having derailed the Oslo accords with political trickery, and suggests that the only way to deal with the Palestinians is to “beat them up, not once but repeatedly, beat them up so it hurts so badly, until it’s unbearable” (all translations are mine).

The current Prime Minister of Israel, ladies and gentlemen.

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Israel set to force all citizens to swear oath to Jewish state - Middle East, World - The Independent

New Israeli citizens may soon be required to swear an oath of loyalty to a "Jewish and democratic" state, a step that has drawn harsh criticism from human rights groups.

Israel's Cabinet, which meets tomorrow, is expected to approve this and extend a raft of existing measures that make it harder for Palestinians to achieve citizenship.

The wording of the oath, which would apply to new applicants for citizenship, was slammed by Arab advocacy groups, who accused Israel of "racist" policies that attempt to link citizenship to ideology.

"It's another step in the direction of getting the Arabs out of Israel," said Uri Avnery, a former MP and founder of the Israeli Gush Shalom peace movement. "Parliament has become a lynching mob."

Imagine if we had to swear allegiance to a Protestant Democracy.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

be a Jew hater, or, most likely, both.

Guy. Really. Are you going there. Really. Guy. Come on.

Don't do that.

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Once you're accused of antisemitism for criticizing the policies of Israel you've already won.

Although I was being unfair. The Nazis would be proud that they gave birth to a nation which understands the concept of Lebensraum.

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Israel dumps waste on Palestinians - middleeast - Al Jazeera English
video in the link
sraeli settlements have been dumping untreated waste directly into a sewage canal that runs through the occupied West Bank, affecting Palestinian villages along its banks.

The hazard posed is compounded by the dumping of toxic chemical waste on agricultural land, with villagers reporting a rash of skin diseases and respiratory problems.

The Israeli government has banned plans by the Palestinian Authority to build pipes and pumps to treat and divert wastewater away from the affected villages.

Al Jazeera's Nisreen El-Shamayleh reports.

Wanna punch those sewage-covered refugees IN THE FACE RAR

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O, Brady. Thank you for proving my point.

My issue isn't that they deserve it, my issue is that when you make your points by frothing at the mouth and throwing around propaganda you come off just as crazy and twisted in your logic as VoR, whether you have an apt point or not. But keep doing the exact same thing. This thread isn't turning you both into a laughing stock, or anything.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

I mean, you both get that no one believes either of your ridiculous propaganda, right?

Wrong.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

Every time I read Brady's posts, I want to punch a palestinian

Originally Posted by Bradylama

You'd punch a Palestinian over my posts? Fuck you. Fuck you forever.

Why don't you read a fucking book before you say you're going to punch a person in the face who lives in some of the worst conditions in the developed world due to conditions dictated by one of the largest military juggernauts ever.

1) A Palestinian is not a person who lives in some of the worst conditions in the developed world due to conditions dictated by one of the largest military juggernauts ever.
2) Israel is too small to qualify as "one of the largest military juggernauts ever".

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Once you're accused of antisemitism for criticizing the policies of Israel you've already won.

You know, this "post some bullshit about Israel and wait for someone to say that you hate Jews" game you're playing is really stupid. OK, we have a winner. Now what?

Originally Posted by Bradylama

The Nazis would be proud that they gave birth to a nation which understands the concept of Lebensraum.

Wait, the Nazis gave birth to a nation? Really? Which nation is that?

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Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

Wrong.

Well argued, stupid new guy everyone hates.

Allow me to refute your claims: True.

Spoiler:

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I kind of like that he disputed the notion that no one believes it, but didn't dispute the notion that it was ridiculous propaganda.

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Originally Posted by Pangalin

I kind of like that he disputed the notion that no one believes it, but didn't dispute the notion that it was ridiculous propaganda.

Well really, how could you?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

Well really, how could you?

Wrong.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Pangalin

Wrong.

Damn his irrefutable logic.

Wait, wait. I've got this.

U rong.

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Well it's correct in the sense that I actually believe it.

The basic issue you have is with my rhetoric, but independent of that I don't see how the facts couldn't possibly not indicate that Israeli leadership has done everything it can to stifle the peace process and dispossess Palestinians of their homes and land.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Well it's correct in the sense that I actually believe it.

The basic issue you have is with my rhetoric, but independent of that I don't see how—

Wrong.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I don't think anyone but VoR is saying the Israeli leadership is interested in peace.


I mean.

Wrong.

How ya doing, buddy?