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I'm an elitist too and felt completely the same reading your first post and agree. There just aren't many of those people around. I just try to enjoy music myself and give concerts just to think by myself "I expressed this beautiful music to my audience..." If they don't like it or can't get into it, it's nothing really, the chance to express what I feel is enough for me.
One thing though: I wouldn't say looking down on them, but rather, being a very lucky person to be able to have this passionate hobby. You can express your music to your girlfriend or another audience and that should be enough to satisfy your musical needs. There's nowhere I can't reach.
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I work in the music industry (with opera singers) and I certainly have some elitist traits. I only listen to classical music and I find other genres less interesting. The difference is that I don't look down on people for having different tastes than I do (much less a girlfriend of all things). If they get enjoyment out of pop, rap, disco, etc, good for them!
I'd say you could use some serious humbling... but it looks like practically everyone in this thread has done the job for me. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
Anime music and vgm are way too underrated. Here I go again... I tried to recommend some video game pieces in an orchestra here at home and they immediately told me to shut up and made fun of me about game music being Super Mario Bross and such. You would become a music elitist for less...
Of course it is obvious that knowledge is another important thing to be able to understand music. You have to actually listen to the whole range of music first before saying it's a bad music style! Most people just don't know what they are talking about because they don't have the knowledge in the first place, they just act with prejudice. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?
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If you won't go out with someone because they like shit music, you'll be alone for a long, long time. Just invest in a pair of ear plugs.
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With normal people, "settling for what you can get" usually involves someone met later on in life, or someone who is dumb, or someone who is poor. A person who is not the carbon copy of you is not 'settling', sir. I get the distinct impression that you never had a relationship past the two month mark. Until you get experiences with dating people, you have no right talking about settling. You don't know. On the other hand, you could throw all that out and start cybering with Minion. Whatever. Why did you let an idiot teach you about music? What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
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Whoa! He actually listened to lurker. I guess we should thank her.
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lurker is a her? oops
and btw, i've dated someone for 2 years. felt like they were holding me back from bigger things though to be honest. Jam it back in, in the dark. |
I really don't know what kind of girls I'm into anymore. I've kind of lost interest in the whole 'looking and dating' thing. All the girls that do share something in common with me, I just want to befriend and befriend only. All the girls that share nothing in common with me, I could care less about how good they look. I'm indecisive.
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I'm not going to reiterate everyone else's correct evaluation that your pickiness in relationships would make even Seinfeld squint. I'm wondering if you're even really sure these girls don't "get it." How do you know? Do they just not seem interested or have you actually listened to something with them and judged by their reaction?
I find a lot of people are simply unaware of what's out there. In fact, I haven't had a girlfriend yet whose perspective on music I haven't completely changed in some way. In a relationship, you should both have something unique to bring to the table; you should both encourage growth in the other in some way. If you're too lazy to give anyone that kind of attention, then you're probably going to die alone. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
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I love to teach my girlfriends, whether it be teaching them how to play guitar, violin, cello, piano, saxophone. Hell, I even spent the better part of afternoons teaching many of them the basic controls and operations of a motorcycle! Any person in their right mind should be happy to share their passions with others (especially those that can be their significant other) and it should be considered a priviledge and in some cases, a responsibility when they do so. To teach them your passions re-affirms your love for that passion and can make you fall in love with it all over again. And like others said, it is the ultimate test of your knowledge and understanding of that passion when teaching others of your love. I had a music teacher back in middleschool, he was so passionate about music and could play damn near every SINGLE instrument you could name and all of them quite proficiently I might add. He was a professional musician before he became a middle school teacher and MUSIC WAS HIS LIFE! He so influenced me with his love for music and his passion for it which basically changed my life. I will never forget him for being a great teacher and a great friend and for giving to me the love of music. Elitism does suck. I found it all too often in many self-proclaiming 'intellectuals' of all kinds. It does not hurt to be very confident in yourself, even abit cocky and I admit I am like this but it is never ok to be so full of yourself that it is overbearing and suffocating to any and all who come across you. And if this is the case then you need a really harsh dose of reality man. Share your love and your passion. The only way to receive is to give. Most amazing jew boots
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FELIPE NO ChocoJournal The Link to the Chocojournal works now! Transcriptions A new thread for transcriptions of all sorts. "The man had a huge head. Like a pumpkin, really." - Godowskian on Shura Cherkassky |
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You want to date women who are also part musician and have a devestating love for the art? Well, it's high time that you go and do some leg work and find these women:
1.) Go on a online dating service. Look up those who have music/musician interests in their profiles. 2.) Look around schools, universities/colleges of course, and check out their music programs. 3.) Check instructional places that teach how to play music. 4.) Check music audio stores. 5.) Check music equipment repair/sales shops. 6.) Check churches. Youth groups are always singing during those sermons and raising their arms, there's bound to be someone there. Really, what better place to look for your destined one than to look at a place where destiny is found? Jam it back in, in the dark. |
You know, I tried to censor some of my thoughts but Nadi really hit what I have to say on the nose. The number of self-righteous, self-taught musicians who are condescending and elitist bother me. Teaching yourself something doesn't make you better or worse. Additionally, a relationshps isnt about "changing" another person to be more like yourself. Instead of asking your internet friends about this issue, why don't you say what you told us in your first post to a group of women. That should work well to teach you that the world does not center around your perspective and opinions on matters.
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How ya doing, buddy?
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Where on *earth* was I when such a legendary thread was being made?!! (Damn you, Shin, if you took this to The Sewers just imagine how many kinds of awesome this thread could have become!) God, I lolled sooo hard when I read the first post - you rocketdog are freaking g.
After a fashion. I mean, dude. I'm also a big classical music person, but truth to be told, I actually perfer to date non-musicians. Reason being I much prefer someone who's similar to me in terms of personality and who has interests outside of my own, and that makes things more interesting. I find playing music INCREDIBLE, but talking about it so boring and besides the point that someone being a virtuoso musician and nothing else isn't really it for me. Music's an art to communicate emotion like any other, and so I value the sensitivity in the music buff as much as I do when I see it anywhere else. I guess the only thing is that it'd be cool if she's willing to learn more about classical music as time goes on, but even that's optional. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
I play the piano and I have a sharp ear for music. Just about everytime my bf and i see a movie I can guess the composer before the credits show up. My bf mainly likes trance music but also likes the anime and game music that I listen to. That is fine by me, our relationship is not defined by the music we listen to anyway. although he did say would like me to teach him some piano.
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Music is my life, and all TWO of the girls i've dated were not nearly into the veins of music as I was, and ya for a time i guess i looked down on my first girlfriend. But after a while I saw how that she was good at a lot of other things, and I loved her for those things, not just music. But since I pretty much like everything except Babyeater music, its a little easier for me. I guess this is my best advice: experiment a little. Before I hated all the mainstream music, but after forcing myself to listen to other things, I see that some of its not too bad.
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All that you need is someone who appreciates what you do and supports your interests. But give it a few years and I'm sure we'll have figured out a way to attach you to yourself at the hip. Are you a fan of Greek Philosophy? It ties into Greek Mythology, which ties into Fantasy. We were all supposedly physically attached to our soul mates. I'm sure that would make a lot of sense to you.
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Being an "artist" doesn't make you better than anyone else. You're just like any ordinary person. Please don't romanticize how through your struggles, you have seen the "light" that no one else has seen. This "light" or "truth" only artists can see.
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Perhaps their perspectives are infinitely deeper than yours, it's just that you're too retarded to comprehend their point of view. Jam it back in, in the dark. |
Well, this weekend I went out with a girl. She asked me to play some piano for her so I played her a piece. Afterward I asked her what she thought and she said "Oh it just sounded like notes to me, but good job, very pretty."
How am I supposed to respect that? I don't think her perspective is deeper than mine, sorry. Seriously. I think my problem is just that my campus is full of idiots. Because I've definetly met kids who are up to par with my self-declared "wisdom" but as nobody worth mentioning at my college campus. I'm not even trying to be an egoist but do you know what I mean? It's like when you were a senior in HS and you were picking on freshman. I'm a senior in college but I feel a majority of the seniors here are still freshman. *shrug Most amazing jew boots |