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I'd had my doubts before, but one time something - on Christmas Eve, of all nights - caused me to finally lose my faith.
I went up to bed, a little kid, awaiting the next day. My bed was right next to a vent, from which I could here the living room downstairs. I heard "OK, lets do it!" from my mom, and then a ruffle of boxes and presents being moved. That was when I decided Santa was not real. Just my personal opinion; please don't get offended. =) Most amazing jew boots |
I'm not a man of faith, but some of these reasons people are giving just seem silly. It would be like me going "God hasn't dropped a woman in my lap so I can live happily ever after. He must be fake!" This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
People give pretty stupid-ass reasons for believing in God, too. Works both ways, I suppose.
I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
It was a longer process for me but thinking back on it going to church was actually the trigger than got most of it started.
I also was raised Catholic and went to CCD like many others. I remember finding the classes pretty interesting but then we starting to learn the prayers and were to attend our first mass. I'd never been to church before as my parents were not very devoted Catholics and thus stuck me in CCD in hopes that I would be a better one. Even though I was like 10 years old I vividly remember the experience. I remember sitting there thinking that something wasn't right as I watched the people stand up, look forward, recite a prayer, and sit down in unison. The robotic nature of Mass really stuck with me and from there I really started to question religion. As I grew older I pretty much developed the idea of religion as being nothing but a necessary farce used to justify morality and order in society. But I've seen strong religious beliefs help a person get through the worse time of their life so I can see the value in it. But for me personally, I can't help but quietly smile to myself as I watch the greatest brainwashing scheme ever conceived work its way into so many lives. I was speaking idiomatically. |
What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? It was lunchtime at Wagstaff.
Touching butts had been banned by the evil Headmaster Frond. Suddenly, Tina Belcher appeared in the doorway. She knew what she had to do. She touched Jimmy Jr's butt and changed the world. |
How ya doing, buddy? |
I stopped going to church right as I hit high school. During that time period, I was more apathetic about religion than anything. Around senior year, I started to question about my belief in god and came to the realization that there possibly might not be a god. I became an agnostic. By the time college rolled around, I became an atheist and went into more in-depth research and these are the conclusions I came to:
I can think of some other things later. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
That you disagree with something does nothing to discredit its relevancy.
Also: Speaking ill of all things religion helps no one and only serves to make you look like a misinformed college freshman newly enlightened by his new-found freedom and copious quantities of dank-as-fuck 'dro. Jam it back in, in the dark. |
I stopped being religious around high school when we stopped going to church. After High School I just stopped believing in God as a natural result of rational thinking, no big deal really.
There's nowhere I can't reach. |
(It's "Ye have heard that it hath been said, an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, that ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away." Matthew 5:38, King James Bible) This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
That being said, I think aspects of Christianity and Buddhism can be beneficial in ones life, however other aspects can be repulsive. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?
Last edited by Jeffro; Nov 24, 2008 at 12:52 AM.
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I find it interesting that I am completely a non-believer, never really believed in anything, and yet what seems unlike the rest of you, I really, really wish I could believe in God.
I was raised Jewish, but apparently not as strict as Capo. It was Reform Judaism crap, so we focused more on Hanukkah parties than keeping the Sabbath. Maybe it was because of this lukewarm approach to religion that I've always envied belief, in a sort of way. I mean, I don't exactly want to start walking around like a Hasid, but I would like the obvious amount of certainty and happiness that religion would bring. It doesn't have to be white-bread, upper-middle class Evangelical Christianity, of course. I guess I'm being a total pragmatist, but I guess I'm saying is that even if it isn't real, isn't the end-benefit of living a life believing in God and the afterlife and whatnot kind of worth it, if only to create a certain degree of self-confidence and happiness? (I know I'm not exactly being an entirely honest individual if I'm arguing that I've wished I could maintain a benign form of Judaism or Christianity merely to make myself happy. But there is a certain draw in that.) Oh, and I went through a temporary super-atheist movement at the end of high school. Now I'm just generically agnostic or non-religious.
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It was largely the line, "The Bible is an archaic, irrelevant book based on metaphors and tall tales," that irked me. It seemed as if you were parroting atheistic talking points, ignorant of what it was you were saying.
The point I'm trying to make is being vehemently, outright anti-religion is just as logical as the inverse. There are positive and negative aspects to be found with both, and neither should be discounted in an educated conversation. e: Hachifusa, I was raised reform, as well. My mother is Presbyterian and my father is Jewish. It's kind of complicated, but I was never raised too strictly religious. What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
I can't fathom ever believing in such stories. Perhaps metaphorically, but not literally...
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Last edited by Jeffro; Nov 25, 2008 at 01:09 AM.
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Believe it or not, not everyone who believes in God is completely incapable of understanding history and the vague, atheistis-only, concepts of metaphor and allegory. Puffing on your pipe while looking down your nose (presumably past your ascot) and declaring you can't possibly understand how those masses could simply be so ignorant isn't raising a valid point, it's just being a condescending lackwit. You're prescribing maybe 5% of believers ideals on the whole of them. It's asinine and utterly counter-productive. If you have half the education you're trying to convince us you do, you know exactly why religion exists, and you know there are answers science can't provide just yet, so people will continue to use religion to try and answer them. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? John Mayer just asked me, personally, through an assistant, to sing backup on his new CD. |
Jam it back in, in the dark. |
So as funny as that is, and depending on where you draw the line to define incest (1st, 2nd, 3rd 4th cousins etc), you've already got it. Personally my favorite was the ark because you're given the measurements and then told that a pair of each of the world's animals fit inside. There's nowhere I can't reach.
Last edited by Radez; Nov 25, 2008 at 08:20 AM.
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A pair for each of the unclean animals sir. Seven pairs for the sacrificial ones
Also, it's kinda difficult to literally justify the Adam and Eve account. Of course, I realize they omit the names of women, but it was clearly stated that Adam and Eve had Cain and Abel. After Cain killed Abel, he took off. Then, Adam and Eve got together again and begat Seth. Cain's wife was mentioned, before the verse "Adam lay with his wife again" (Gen. 4:25), so it's a given there were people other than the two fig-eating ones. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
While we're at it, let's talk about that bothersome "week" thing at the beginning of Genesis.
The earth's definitely older than the several thousand years young-earth creationists hold to, so therefore that week is a LIE and means that GOD does NOT EXIST. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? It was lunchtime at Wagstaff.
Touching butts had been banned by the evil Headmaster Frond. Suddenly, Tina Belcher appeared in the doorway. She knew what she had to do. She touched Jimmy Jr's butt and changed the world. |
You know what's great about doing what you just did? It's about as stupid as the person that will see that and immediately think "Wow, they think we just didn't FACT CHECK the book and that's just not so!"
I was speaking idiomatically. |
Hey, idiot:
I WAS BEING FACETIOUS. What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? It was lunchtime at Wagstaff.
Touching butts had been banned by the evil Headmaster Frond. Suddenly, Tina Belcher appeared in the doorway. She knew what she had to do. She touched Jimmy Jr's butt and changed the world. |
Yeah, just noticed you were just following in line with a bunch of other idiots.
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How ya doing, buddy?
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Perhaps if I would have added "fundamentalism", this could have been prevented. "I don't understand how a fundamentalist could believe some of the stories in the bible verbatim"
How ya doing, buddy?
Last edited by Jeffro; Nov 25, 2008 at 05:03 PM.
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being condescending is probably the nicest possible thing to describe what you are doing Jam it back in, in the dark. |
I've never had so many people in one forum give me shit than in this one. Ridiculously oversensitive... There's nowhere I can't reach.
Last edited by Jeffro; Nov 25, 2008 at 05:25 PM.
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