[PS2] Xenosaga III: Also Sprach Zarathustra

Wha...? There's a Seven Moons sidequest? I remember I used Seven Moons after Miltia and nothing happened to my people...

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Originally Posted by Guest

Whoa.. I just saw The Da Vinci Code and it hit me like a ton of bricks.

Spoiler:

I bet the developer's really liked Dan Brown's novel. I'm surprised no one mentioned the similarities between Episode III and that movie. Of course, it doesn't come until the end of the game, when we find out about KOS-MOS's origin. I remember T-Elos saying Mary Magdalene was the partner of The Messiah, but I don't think she meant Jesus. It was obviously chaos since they had that kind of relationship. I'm more curious about Shion's role as Mary's 'maiden', a rather insignificant relationship which I believe deserved alot more detail. It'd have been much more interesting if they connected her to an actual person, with a real name.

Urge to replay Xenosaga III has increased by 72%.

(I just got the game, so that's why the late entry)

I'll do it as a spoiler just in case there are those--like me--who couldn't get it until now.

Spoiler:

I read the DaVinci Code before the movie came out, and the theories used in it are CENTURIES old. I had heard the theories myself and wanted to see how Brown had presented them to his readers. He did a fairly decent job--although bits of the story were contrived for entertainment purposes....

Wilhelm calls chaos "Yeshua"--which means Jesus. And Mary Magdalene was the companion of Jesus. And KOSMOS translates into order and chaos...well...chaos. So, who was everyone watching in Lost Jerusalem? Remember, Margulis was told they had worshiped a man they THOUGHT was the Messiah.

The person they were watching could have been nothing more than a man spreading the word of God--you know, a preacher. And since chaos was there, he could have helped the man along by performing those miracles that we know about.

Just something to ponder...

As for the ending. I thought it was a rather neat "trick" by the company. Think about it. People have been speculating about the Xenogears/Xenosaga character connections (not to mention certain building similarities *wink wink*), and reincarnation kept popping up. Living a life over and over and over....So, we can just go back to the beginning and keep playing over and over and over....

And, one last thought. About Allen:

About damn time!

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Leknaat

And, one last thought. About Allen:

About damn time!

Hahaha! I know, right!?

The ending was quite sad... Why did (blank) have to die?!!! (though it looked pretty cheezy without the blood... -_-) Agh! Of all people... Now I really wish the company would come out with a fourth episode... that'd be... so awesome!

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I don't know how many people don't know about that part of the game (although I knew before I even bought the game), so spoiler tags might be good.

And how else were they going to explain the similarities to Xenogears with the characters? If you think back to what was said during that time, it all makes sense.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Ok... not really sure what Xenogears is so...

Well, I wouldn't be surprised there were similarities. I mean, just look at the names. Just from that, I know there has to be some relationship.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Okay....

So you do know what Xenogears is?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Ermm..... no... heheh... Heard of it. But never actually made sure I knew what it was. Feel free to explain. ^^;

FELIPE NO

So who here would pay for a standalone HaKox game with a ton of new levels, featuers, etc?

I totally would, but the opinions on this mini-game seem to vary.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by MOLD

Ermm..... no... heheh... Heard of it. But never actually made sure I knew what it was. Feel free to explain. ^^;

Go here and look at it, and tell me if there's a familiar-looking image on the front page.


http://www.square-enix-usa.com/games/xenogears/

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Wha?! There's a Citan Uzuki?? He reminds me of Jin...

And on the front page... well there's this robot-thing that looks like an E.S.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

There are a lot of Xenogears cameos in Xenosaga. Xenosaga itself is just a retelling of Xenogears Episode I. If you read Xenogears: Perfect Works, you see a lot of things that are similar.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

BK--huh, wha? What do you mean "retelling?"

MOLD: You found the connection. That's why Jin was where he was at the end of the game.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

I meant what I said. Xenosaga is a retelling of Xenogears Episode I. Obviously, they aren't the same. It's a retelling in the way some animes do retellings of stories from previous seasons/series. The very basic story is based off of Xenogears Episode I, but there are a lot of alterations to it that it becomes its own story.

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Okay. I see what you mean now. More of a "based on" approach than an actual retelling.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Thanks a lot Yamamanama,it's really great song
I'm quite disappoint the way they use "KOSMOS~Hepatica", the song itself is really really great but didn't work in battle scene... I really enjoyed it on OST.

About Shion and KOSMOS relation

Spoiler:

Nephilim said that Mary was Shion's other half? But the rest said that she is the maiden of Mary...so what does that mean? She is the same person(The part of Mary that died when used sealing power and the will is KOSMOS? ) or ....

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Originally Posted by Marina

About Shion and KOSMOS relation

Spoiler:

Nephilim said that Mary was Shion's other half? But the rest said that she is the maiden of Mary...so what does that mean? She is the same person(The part of Mary that died when used sealing power and the will is KOSMOS? ) or ....

From the Xenosaga Episode III: Perfect Guide:

Spoiler:

17. What is the Maiden of Maria?
Shion's previous existence, the Maiden of Maria-- what kind of person was it? In the era of ancient Lost Jerusalem, the Maiden of Maria existed at what kind of position? And what kind of ability did she possess?

{captions}
1) Maria, as the actualized existence of the power of Animus in the real-number domain. She was the partner of the Messiah in the era of ancient Lost Jerusalem. (EPIII)
2,3) The graveyard of Rennes-le-Chateau. In the era of ancient Lost Jerusalem, Maria died when she divided the power of Anima into the Vessels of Anima, and this is where her body was laid to rest. (EPIII)
4,6) From the sealed Lost Jerusalem, only the land in the vicinity of Rennes-le-Chateau appeared in real-number domain space. (EPIII)
5) The hypersphere that surrounded Rennes-le-Chateau. (EPIII)


<<The "Apostles">>
　　　　"Apostle" means a person who devoutly endeavors in holy work. In the era of ancient Lost Jerusalem, there were 12 Apostles for the man who was called the Messiah. Because this number of people was used also in connection with later eras' religious authorities, nowadays after thousands of years have passed, it is difficult to confirm the exact number of people or exact members. There also existed many people around the Messiah who were similar to the Apostles.
　　　　Among the people such as that who encircled the Messiah, was Maria. She was the partner of the Messiah, and her existence, the same as chaos, was someone extremely close to the Messiah.
　　　　And then, in order to use that power of Animus in Maria, there was an existence that was also called Maria's Apostle. That was the Maiden of Maria-- Shion's previous existence.
[Refer to section: 15, 32]

<<Maria's Death>>
　　　　If the Maiden of Maria is necessary in order to use the power of Animus-- Maria's real form-- when the power of Anima was divided, the Maiden of Maria probably used that power.
　　　　The ability of the Maiden of Maria is the ignition that allows the release of the power of Animus, and it is also the released power's control. By that meaning, the manifestation of the power of Animus requires both Maria and the Maiden.
　　　　At that time, the power of Animus scattered throughout the UMN, and Maria's real-number domain existence died. Her body was buried at Rennes-le-Chateau.
　　　　Ages afterward, Maria's consciousness was revived in Kos-mos, and she spoke that long ago she ended up allowing the Maiden to die. Does this indicate that the Maiden of Maria also died along with Maria at that time? Or did Maria die, leaving the Maiden behind, and afterwards, the Maiden fell into a situation that lead to death? Either way, it is perhaps that the death of Maria and the death of the Maiden are not unrelated.
[Refer to section: 15, 25]

<<The Maiden's Death>>
　　　　Before the death of Maria. Shion's previous existence, the Maiden of Maria, met with death. But it is unclear what kind of event it was. However, the consciousness of Maria that had awakened in Kos-mos regretted that she was not able to protect Shion who was once the Maiden. In other words, it is thought that after chaos' power was divided, in the interval until Maria died, Maria lost the power of Animus, and right before her eyes, Shion's previous existence, due to some sort of incident, met with death.
[Refer to section: 25]

<<Apostle and Maiden>>
　　　　The Maiden of Maria constantly accompanied Maria. It was just like how the Messiah's Apostles accompanied him.
　　　　In other words, just as the Apostles were present where the Messiah was present, so too was the Maiden where Maria was present. If an image of those times had been left behind, maybe a figure of the Maiden of Maria could have been confirmed.
[Refer to section: none]

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by B.K.

From the Xenosaga Episode III: Perfect Guide:

Spoiler:

17. What is the Maiden of Maria?
Shion's previous existence, the Maiden of Maria-- what kind of person was it? In the era of ancient Lost Jerusalem, the Maiden of Maria existed at what kind of position? And what kind of ability did she possess?

{captions}
1) Maria, as the actualized existence of the power of Animus in the real-number domain. She was the partner of the Messiah in the era of ancient Lost Jerusalem. (EPIII)
2,3) The graveyard of Rennes-le-Chateau. In the era of ancient Lost Jerusalem, Maria died when she divided the power of Anima into the Vessels of Anima, and this is where her body was laid to rest. (EPIII)
4,6) From the sealed Lost Jerusalem, only the land in the vicinity of Rennes-le-Chateau appeared in real-number domain space. (EPIII)
5) The hypersphere that surrounded Rennes-le-Chateau. (EPIII)


<<The "Apostles">>
　　　　"Apostle" means a person who devoutly endeavors in holy work. In the era of ancient Lost Jerusalem, there were 12 Apostles for the man who was called the Messiah. Because this number of people was used also in connection with later eras' religious authorities, nowadays after thousands of years have passed, it is difficult to confirm the exact number of people or exact members. There also existed many people around the Messiah who were similar to the Apostles.
　　　　Among the people such as that who encircled the Messiah, was Maria. She was the partner of the Messiah, and her existence, the same as chaos, was someone extremely close to the Messiah.
　　　　And then, in order to use that power of Animus in Maria, there was an existence that was also called Maria's Apostle. That was the Maiden of Maria-- Shion's previous existence.
[Refer to section: 15, 32]

<<Maria's Death>>
　　　　If the Maiden of Maria is necessary in order to use the power of Animus-- Maria's real form-- when the power of Anima was divided, the Maiden of Maria probably used that power.
　　　　The ability of the Maiden of Maria is the ignition that allows the release of the power of Animus, and it is also the released power's control. By that meaning, the manifestation of the power of Animus requires both Maria and the Maiden.
　　　　At that time, the power of Animus scattered throughout the UMN, and Maria's real-number domain existence died. Her body was buried at Rennes-le-Chateau.
　　　　Ages afterward, Maria's consciousness was revived in Kos-mos, and she spoke that long ago she ended up allowing the Maiden to die. Does this indicate that the Maiden of Maria also died along with Maria at that time? Or did Maria die, leaving the Maiden behind, and afterwards, the Maiden fell into a situation that lead to death? Either way, it is perhaps that the death of Maria and the death of the Maiden are not unrelated.
[Refer to section: 15, 25]

<<The Maiden's Death>>
　　　　Before the death of Maria. Shion's previous existence, the Maiden of Maria, met with death. But it is unclear what kind of event it was. However, the consciousness of Maria that had awakened in Kos-mos regretted that she was not able to protect Shion who was once the Maiden. In other words, it is thought that after chaos' power was divided, in the interval until Maria died, Maria lost the power of Animus, and right before her eyes, Shion's previous existence, due to some sort of incident, met with death.
[Refer to section: 25]

<<Apostle and Maiden>>
　　　　The Maiden of Maria constantly accompanied Maria. It was just like how the Messiah's Apostles accompanied him.
　　　　In other words, just as the Apostles were present where the Messiah was present, so too was the Maiden where Maria was present. If an image of those times had been left behind, maybe a figure of the Maiden of Maria could have been confirmed.
[Refer to section: none]

Thank you. That confirms what I thought.

Spoiler:

KOS-MOS' eyes always turned blue when she used her power to help Shion--Mary protecting her Maiden. This is why Shion was necessary to awaken Mary. Remember in Episode II--Shion (and Allen) were put in danger just so KOS-MOS would awaken and go after Shion. The more Shion was in trouble, the more times Mary would emerge until complete. (At least that's what they hoped).

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Leknaat

BK--huh, wha? What do you mean "retelling?"

MOLD: You found the connection. That's why Jin was where he was at the end of the game.

But... what was the connection between those two? I know they look similar, but how does it connect with the ending?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

You really have to play Xenogears to really get it. Seriously, us telling you will just ruin it if you're thinking of playing it. But don't think - play it now! Grr.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by MOLD

But... what was the connection between those two? I know they look similar, but how does it connect with the ending?

There is no connection between the two. Xenosaga and Xenogears don't connect. Events in Episode III make it impossible for Xenogears to ever happen.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Maybe no direct connection, but in reading the database, the creators sure are hinting at something.

And let me clarify this--I thought about this after I typed the above.

Bandai/Namco/Monolith really CAN'T do a direct connection--since Square owns the rights to the Xenogears story. However, they can hint as much as they want--unless Square says: "Hey, let's do a crossover thing."

Then the story will be re-written.....(which has already been done. Kevin was wearing the pendant when he died in Episode I, so how did he give it to Shion?)

How ya doing, buddy?

I finished it and just one question:

Spoiler:

is chaos dispersed throughout the universe, or is he just living on in KOS-MOS?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by wvlfpvp

I finished it and just one question:

Spoiler:

is chaos dispersed throughout the universe, or is he just living on in KOS-MOS?

Spoiler:

chaos lost his physical body during the dimension shift. I assume his conscious still exists in the Unus Mundus. Wilhelm still exists too. He lost his physical body, but his consciousness still exists.

FELIPE NO

Guys, am i wrong, or the perfect work is different from what we've seen till now?
Chapter 1, as is described in perfect works, should be strictly linked to xenogears, but xenosaga (all the 3 chapters), where totally different as described.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Xenosaga is not Xenogears.

Jam it back in, in the dark.