[360] Xbox 360 Discussion. Thermal paste, the delicious and nutricious snack of the future.

Originally Posted by Macksis

I'm thinking of picking up a 360 in the near future. (Made the mistake of playing Geometry Wars and now I'm an addict.) But I have a slight problem. I'm not a fan of FPS. The kind people at Gamestop tell me that roughly 50% of 360 games are FPS. And the remaining 50% is split among all the remaining genres. How accurate is this assertion? Am I wasting money buying a system dominated by a genre I dont like?

If you planning on buying every single game that gets released for the system then maybe I'd agree with you but if 50% of the games on the system are FPS's, that means 50% of them aren't. There's more than enough very good games of other genres for you to be constantly occupied if you actually spend a bit of time playing them and there's plenty of non-FPS games scheduled for release in the future. In this day and age when so many games get released, worrying about genre dominance on a console is pretty dumb.

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FPS Source is currently broken, but they did a quick genre breakdown back in August of all the retail games on the 360, and shooters (both FPS and 3PS combined) ended up at something like 17%, so there's more variety than you're assuming. If you include Arcade games, (which I personally wouldn't, and they didn't), the numbers change radically very fast.

Lix is correct in listing those genres as being more prominent, but variety only grows as time goes on, and since none of us can predict exactly what will be out by the end of next year, it might be a better idea to go with what you KNOW has what you want on it and wait until the end of this generation to pick up this stuff, if you're that paranoid about it.

Anyway, the appearance of Operation Darkness marketplace content and english achievement lists makes me wonder (and hope) if we're actually gonna be getting it. I haven't found any information on the topic, but seeing as how the game looks pretty neat, it'd certainly be nice.

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Ok...17%. BUT, 50% of the games that are worth playing. Amirite?

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Yeah. The technical breakup doesn't really count for much. Don't forget that EVERY game is counted in that breakdown. Including things like BomberMan Zero, Blazing Angels and the two-hundred sports games that've been released for 3 seasons now for every console going.

A way more accurate breakdown of 360 game percentages would require games to have an average rating over 50% and must be console exclusive. Then I'm sure that the FPS and 3PS percentages would make up for more then 50% of thoes games.

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Nice try, but no.

Leave the stats to people who calculate them instead of making them up on the spot, eh?

It'll be interesting to see just how far some people are gonna try shrinking the pool of applicable titles until their made up figures become somewhat correct though! A plus thread topic, would listen to trolls again, etc.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Colonel Skills

Nice try, but no.

Leave the stats to people who calculate them instead of making them up on the spot, eh?

But isnt 90% of all statistics made up on the spot? I remember hearing that somewhere.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Yeah, that's usually what they say, but even that statistic itself is subject to itself which makes it more a reflection on todays society of stats and information then an actual statistical fact.

@Skills
My apoligies but without a source or more elaborate information at the time it sounded more like a fanboyistic defense statement then a fact. So it was natural that someone would question it's integrity without at least a source.

However I still believe that it isn't right to count multiplatform games in the stats. Like the sports and Action/Adventure genres make up like 52%. Which a majority of thoes are on other systems also which kind of defeats the prupose of the poller's point.

FELIPE NO

50% of the games on the 360* are FPS. This is a fact that you simply cannot argue.

*only includes titles from Bungie and Turn 10

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Hey wait, multiplatform games don't count as games on a console?

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I don't think that they should be counted because if you can get them on any console, then they're a common factor which can be factored out of the equation breaking it down to more simpler and applicable figures.

A list of the studies included games would have been nice. (or I just haven't found it yet)

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Did you even click on the link Skills provided? Maybe if you had, and then actually read what it had to say, you would have seen that the guy provided you with the data he used for his statistical analysis, and in several different file formats. Here is a link to the PDF, for example.

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Originally Posted by Macksis

But isnt 90% of all statistics made up on the spot? I remember hearing that somewhere.

But someone actually researched the current 360 games as of August which have a metacritic rating of 80+ and their percentages.

Oh my god I can't believe someone is bring the HERE HAVE A PERCENT SIGN IT FLEW OUT MY FUCKING ASSHOLE YES PERCENTAGES ARE PRESENTED INSTANTLY WITH NO RESEARCH AT ALL thing.

Also, according to that graph, a good 56% of the 360 consists specifically of sports, shooting and racing, so if you don't like competitive online gaming and if you're more interested in puzzle, fighting, sRPG, RPG, etc like I said, don't waste your time with a 360.

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And as before, I've said you're right Lix. It's definitely not your statements I'm contesting here.

Slayer just didn't read either link. I knew he'd try to factor something else out though.

Oh well, little does he realize that factoring out the multiplatform stuff on there actually helps our argument instead of his. That list is then reduced to one FPS (Perfect Dark Zero), and one 3PS (Crackdown). The other games on the list would all be disqualified in his hasty attempt to justify his figures.

Now can we finally put a stop to your trolling here Slayer and get back to, you know, discussing the 360?

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Yeah I calculated it and I kind of blew my own theory up. I know that before that I mentioned about there being so many sports games on the console, but when I took a look at the data not many passed the 80% bar, so the genre kind of regulated itself out of the stats. Then when I eliminated the multi-platform games, the percentages didn't change very much, so yeah.

The chart seems to be a good representation of the titles on the 360 console.

@Elixir
Thoes are the types of games I like hence the origin of my bias in my X-box posts at times.

@Skills
I wasn't trying to achieve any specific goal, other then to get an accurate percentage of the game genre population of the console. I don't always have some evil agenda you know.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Does the Xbox 360 do widescreen 16:9 ratio high def? I can't seem to find any options for this in game or on the console menu. I'm looking into purchasing an HD TV soon and don't want to get one that wouldn't be compatible or something

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

The 360 does all the HD stuff you need. Also I'm pretty certain that the definitions 720 and 1080 are 16:9/10 only(on most consumer electronics that is). Even so, the console itself DOES do 16:9 for all definitions.

How ya doing, buddy?

so.. lets talk about this new Microsoft Xbox 360 Arcade deal.

279.99$ with 5games(xbox live arcade games) 256 meg memory stick(for saving games) HDMI port and wireless controller. What about the chipset though.. is it still the old ones? I really dont think I need the HD. Im not going to download movies/demos/stuff on it, thats what my PC is for. This doesnt seem all that bad.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Why do people keep trying to rationalize the stupidity of buying a Core?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Just get the Premium. You'll want download content eventually for your games and having your PC for demos is all well and good until it's a game which will never have a PC port (aka, a good many of them). Plus the memory sticks are crap and are overpriced like no tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Skills

Why do people keep trying to rationalize the stupidity of buying a Core?

Well it's the Arcade version rather than the Core, but same issues. I can see how it might be useful for people who really don't have the money, but that being the case you're also not going to be able to afford most of the accessories you'll probably need as much as want, let alone the games.

As much as you may think you don't need a hard-drive, you will use it, and probably a lot. Save games, XBLA, downloadable content for games you own, game videos, game demos, all of it goes on the hard-drive, and all of it main painless by having that there. Yes, you could survive on the 512Mb memory pack, probably, but you'd constantly be juggling resources and not being able to take advantage of large parts of the Xbox experience.

To my mind, for the relatively small difference in prices, getting the Premium or Elite is completely worth it.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

This isn't quite an XBLA thing, so I'll stick it here.

Anyways, seems MS will be offering up some original Xbox titles for download via Xbox Live, at 1200 MSpoints a piece, once the autumn update rolls around on the 4th December.

Quote:

Microsoft reportedly confirmed the news to the Official Xbox Magazine, and revealed its biggest new feature as a service to let you download original Xbox titles like Halo.

Eventually it will make as much of its back catalogue available as possible, but for now the line-up includes Halo, Fable, Fahrenheit, Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge, Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath of Cortex and Burnout 3.

Each game will cost 1200 Microsoft Points (GBP 10.20 / EUR 13.96).

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Originally Posted by Colonel Skills

Why do people keep trying to rationalize the stupidity of buying a Core?

I've actually discovered at work that there is a market, however slim, for the Arcade bundle. For someone who would only be playing one game (in a specific case from yesterday, MADDEN) online, that 256 MB card is more than enough to store the data from that one game. Any business-type guy who gets maybe an hour a day to play video games, if that, doesn't necessarily need that huge hard drive and the $280 price for a system that, out of the box, can go online is enough for some people. Granted, those people will probably find out later that they wish they had the hard drive anyway, BUT if they're willing to leave with the Arcade system thinking it'll be enough forever and ever, more power to them. Honestly, Microsoft should release a 1 GB memory card and that'd solve most of the problems. 1 GB is enough for game saves and downloadable content to a point, while at the same time not being so much memory that it feels like a waste of space.

Unfortunately, the other market is people who don't know any better. I think that probably amounts to 95% of the sales of the core, not necessarily the arcade.

However, for anyone else (i.e. non-retards who don't buy systems for one game only), the Premium is still the better deal. I'm just trying to point out that there IS a market, however small, for the Arcade.

Also, speaking of the premium, whoever created this impression amongst the parents of America that the premium is called the "XBox 360 Live" needs to be shot. It takes forever to explain to those people why the word "Live" isn't anywhere near the number 360 on the box.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Well, after leeching off of my friend's Xbox 360 for so long I've finally purchased one for myself, so it looks like I'll be putting much more time into playing it (and finally be going online on my own account). Quick question though: with the 1 month Gold trial, do you have to activate it when you first create the account on the system, or can you choose to start it later after you've already created the account?

Originally Posted by Colonel Skills

Why do people keep trying to rationalize the stupidity of buying a Core?

The Arcade pack isn't actually that bad of a deal really. It at least comes with the ability to save games and the wireless controller, so for the "casual" crowd I can see it being a fairly attractive option. Also, a used harddrive is only around $60, so there really isn't much of a price difference between getting an Arcade pack and a harddrive rather than a Pro. In fact if you wanted a memory card anyway it would be cheaper to get the Arcade bundle and a harddrive instead of the Pro and a memory card, oddly enough. Although you do lose out on the component cables/headset and only get 5 crappy Live Arcade games instead of Forza 2/MUA.

A standard Core (not the Arcade bundle) is a total waste though.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

If you check out places like Sears, you can find a 20GB hard drive new for $60 or so, which make the Arcade pack not so bad. Tritoch is getting a 360 for Christmas, and I've considered buying the Arcade pack, if only because we'll need a memory card to move saves between systems (rather then lug our respective consoles when we visit each other). The big drawbacks I see are 1) the Arcade pack only comes with composite cables, though there is an HDMI slot, and 2) it doesn't come with a headset. That's just downright stupid.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Solis

5 crappy Live Arcade games

UNO IS NOT CRAPPY.

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Originally Posted by Mo0

UNO IS NOT CRAPPY.

Perhaps not, but once I get my 40 win acheivement, I doubt I'll play it again unless I get invited to a game.

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