[PS2] Xenosaga III: Also Sprach Zarathustra

Whoa.. I just saw The Da Vinci Code and it hit me like a ton of bricks.

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I bet the developer's really liked Dan Brown's novel. I'm surprised no one mentioned the similarities between Episode III and that movie. Of course, it doesn't come until the end of the game, when we find out about KOS-MOS's origin. I remember T-Elos saying Mary Magdalene was the partner of The Messiah, but I don't think she meant Jesus. It was obviously chaos since they had that kind of relationship. I'm more curious about Shion's role as Mary's 'maiden', a rather insignificant relationship which I believe deserved alot more detail. It'd have been much more interesting if they connected her to an actual person, with a real name.

Urge to replay Xenosaga III has increased by 72%.

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Originally Posted by Guest

Whoa.. I just saw The Da Vinci Code and it hit me like a ton of bricks.

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I bet the developer's really liked Dan Brown's novel. I'm surprised no one mentioned the similarities between Episode III and that movie. Of course, it doesn't come until the end of the game, when we find out about KOS-MOS's origin
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Not really. The fact that KOS-MOS is Mary Magdalene was around long before The Da Vinci Code. The Da Vinci Code was published in 2003. Back in 2001 or 2002, whenever Xenosaga was first announced, there was a trailer with keywords from the series in it. The words Mary Magdalene and Rennes-le-Chateau were in it then. It was also said that KOS-MOS was Mary Magdalene in the leaked information before Episode II was released, so the idea that KOS-MOS is Mary Magdalene has been around for a long time.

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I'm new here, and I just finished Xenosaga Ep. III!

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@ the idea that Xenosaga was inspired by The Da Vinci Code. As B.K. said, The storyline of Xenosaga was created before The Da Vinci Code came out.

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BUT I do think the storyline and basis of philosophy in Xenosaga was largely inspired by Friedrich Nietzsche. As the Sub-Titles of all 3 Xenosaga's are from the Titles of some of Nietzsche's books, I.E. Ep. 3 "Thus Spoke Zarathustra", and Ep. 2 "Beyond good and Evil" (<--- iirc?) (I can't remember the first one...). Anyways, it's apparent that lots of the idea's of Friedrich Nietzsche were in Xenosaga, The biggest example is the Übermensch and how Wilhelm (which by the way is Nietzsche's Christian Middle name [I don't think it was a coinsidence]) wanted to create a new breed of humans, or in other words restart humanity (only containing the superior humans). Which in a sense is the same concept as the Übermensch, which is the idea of how the Apes evolved into the Humans, the Humans will evolve into the Übermensch (or Superman). Also the last boss, Zarathustra, is the main character in "Thus Spoke Zarathustra".

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While I was looking up Hebrew names for my own Story, I found out the meaning of several of the names that are in Xenosaga Ep. III. One of the main one's being "Yeshua" (chaos' name), which means Jesus. So it could be possible that (in that flashback scene) Mary and chaos were in fact listening to another person rather than Jesus (and that chaos was Jesus). This would also support chaos' and Mary's relationship with each other. BUT this could be completely wrong and they could have just used the name for fun. Some other one's include the Dark Testament's E.S. "Dan", which in Hebrew Daniel mean's "Him Whom God Strengthens" (or something like that). Which would work becouse of the Anima Relic, and it being part of the power of God.

Anyways, aside from all that. I liked Ep. III a lot. Although some of the Script was kind of lame (maybe due to English Version?) and the reactions were kind of unrealistic, but that wasn't horrible (Wilhelm was excellent in this case). The Music was Brilliant (Great Job By Kajiura for it being one of her first RPG sound tracks, it was good aside from that too). The art and story-line were excellent as well.

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Originally Posted by EliJaH

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Some other one's include the Dark Testament's E.S. "Dan", which in Hebrew Daniel mean's "Him Whom God Strengthens" (or something like that). Which would work becouse of the Anima Relic, and it being part of the power of God.

I suppose it wouldn't be too spoilery to just say that the E.S.s are named after twelve of Jacob's children (Dinah was used instead of Benjamin).

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I'm still interested in checking the manga out. I was hoping B.K. would have some info on it, but if he can't find it, no one will.

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I thought the ending was kind of weak... it still left a feeling of incompleteness...

I get the feeling by "this is the last episode of Xenosaga!!" they meant with the next one we're just gonna drop the Saga part off the Xeno and come up with a different name... or maybe they can make an extended version that comes packaged with remakes of Episode 1 and 2 Xenosaga Complete Special Edition Plus!!! hahaha

I was speaking idiomatically.

What's the difference between the revive (forgot what it's called) that costs 600 and the seven moons which cost 300 (heals all the HP/EP), while the other one only heals a majority of the HP.

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Originally Posted by Kuhazan

I thought the ending was kind of weak... it still left a feeling of incompleteness...

I get the feeling by "this is the last episode of Xenosaga!!" they meant with the next one we're just gonna drop the Saga part off the Xeno and come up with a different name... or maybe they can make an extended version that comes packaged with remakes of Episode 1 and 2 Xenosaga Complete Special Edition Plus!!! hahaha

they might do that, but only release it in japan

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I've been experimenting a bit with making a rip for the music that wasn't on the OST. Unless someone else is already making a decent quality one, I might do it.

I however need some opinions. Does this quality satisfy you people?

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What about the ost? Are the song present in miltia from episode 2 ost? Actually i've got all the ost, but somehow i find the miltian song of ep2 a bit different from ep3 ones in miltia. Maybe it's because after each battle the song would restart, and avoid the later boring part of that music. Can you give me some info regarding this? I really loved that music.

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Originally Posted by Lionking-Cyan

What about the ost? Are the song present in miltia from episode 2 ost? Actually i've got all the ost, but somehow i find the miltian song of ep2 a bit different from ep3 ones in miltia. Maybe it's because after each battle the song would restart, and avoid the later boring part of that music. Can you give me some info regarding this? I really loved that music.

Shinji Hosoe's music is not present at all in XSIII. XSIII's entire soundtrack was composed by Yuki Kajiura, the same composer responsible for the cutscene music in XSII.

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Does anyone know how many hours of cutscenes Episode II is feauturing? Cant get any infos on that.

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I believe Monolithsoft said that Episode II had roughly six hours of cutscenes. Fans complained about how many there were in Episode I, so Monolithsoft said for Episode II, they would have less of them.

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I've just started playing it 8 hours and I love it!
The story made me chilled and the music is the greatest things in the game itself (May be the greatest in the series as well,...well except Xenogears)

The battle song is the same one in ost "Battle of your soul",isn't it?
It's work really great in game.

Would you guys mind telling me what does Also Sprach Zarathustra mean?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Yamamanama

bible parody by Friedrich Nietzsche.

Especially this unfortunately.

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Also Sprach Zarathustra = Thus Spoke Zarathustra.

Xenosaga III is my personal game of the year. Out of everything else I played this year, it was the least frustrating and most entertaining.

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Originally Posted by Yamamanama

Battle of Your Soul is for semi-major boss battles. Fallout is the regular battle theme. The normal boss battle isn't on the OST, but I can get it for you.

That would be great!
Thanks a lot. : )

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NOOO! My PS2 froze right at the ending... and it took me 45 minutes to beat the last boss. FACK. ;_;

Does anyone know where I could get a rip of the ending? I tried Youtube, there's only one or two short clips.

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Originally Posted by Sepharite

NOOO! My PS2 froze right at the ending... and it took me 45 minutes to beat the last boss. FACK. ;_;

Does anyone know where I could get a rip of the ending? I tried Youtube, there's only one or two short clips.

Umm, a great FMV site I know of is http://bluelaguna.net/ , it's there, and it has decent download speeds. (I think it's complete, haven't watched it there...)

I actually read some of Thus Spoke Zarathustra for an english class, and found it pretty interesting. It was fun to see the correlation between the themes and concepts. The biggest 'plot' problem was the direct relation to Christianity, I'd rather it be a little more subtle, although, the original idea's were amazing, and the overall story still blows me away.

Anyways, Xenosaga ep. III, was probably the best game I played this year, that came out this year :-P

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Thanks, but it's in Japanese .___.'' Subtitle files anywhere?

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Personally, i found xenosaga 1 much better, and maybe one of my favourite rpg. When i begun it, i understood there was something incredibly much bigger behind what i saw. I could understand the plot would have folded in such a fantastic way. Yet, it didn't offend me. We could say that it took some Christian elements as inspiration, but nothing that would offend us Christians. Maybe something was bad, but not much. Then, when i played xenosaga 2, i was really offended...of course i had already spent 40 euros for the first 2 episodes, and so i bought the third one too. So, little by little, the game didn't give me anymore the episode one sensation. The story was no more so great, as it was just concentrating in ridiculize Christianity.

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Originally Posted by Lionking-Cyan

Personally, i found xenosaga 1 much better, and maybe one of my favourite rpg. When i begun it, i understood there was something incredibly much bigger behind what i saw. I could understand the plot would have folded in such a fantastic way. Yet, it didn't offend me. We could say that it took some Christian elements as inspiration, but nothing that would offend us Christians. Maybe something was bad, but not much. Then, when i played xenosaga 2, i was really offended...of course i had already spent 40 euros for the first 2 episodes, and so i bought the third one too. So, little by little, the game didn't give me anymore the episode one sensation. The story was no more so great, as it was just concentrating in ridiculize Christianity.

Yeah, I agree, but the Characterization (or the characters in general I guess), and some of the events in Ep. 1 bugged me. I think the reason for the sudden focus on "Christian" subjects was more of an attempt to possibly get more sales or something (as this kind of thing is popular it seems) and the fact that they had to make the series a trilogy (wasn't the 'Shion' story only supposed to be like the first 2 or so games in the series or something? I can't remember).

I wouldn't necessarily say Xenosaga was simply bashing Christianity. It is based Friedrich Nietzsche's books. He has lots of beliefs that go against christian beliefs, and he clearly does not like the Christian religion (he did write "The Anti-Christ"), but Xenosaga tended to take the more 'Original' concepts from his books (Biggest example: "The Super-man" or "Over-man", like Evolution). I would have to replay the series again to see the actual flow between the games.

Oh well, whatever...

I was speaking idiomatically.

Do any of yall know the name of the theme playing when....

Jin and the others (in E.S-es) finally finish off Pellegri once and for all in Michtam (in the Archon Spaceport). There's a flute playing. Sad... sad... (not really)

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Originally Posted by Sepharite

What's the difference between the revive (forgot what it's called) that costs 600 and the seven moons which cost 300 (heals all the HP/EP), while the other one only heals a majority of the HP.

i was wondering the same thing, and to my knowledge, seven moons is BETTER then revive, cause its cheaper, and restore hp/mp.
the only thing is that you can buy it only on miltia.
i guess that probably the designers of the game thought that miltia was accessible only one time, and then they change it.
that is my best guess about that.

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Originally Posted by MrSatan

i was wondering the same thing, and to my knowledge, seven moons is BETTER then revive, cause its cheaper, and restore hp/mp.
the only thing is that you can buy it only on miltia.
i guess that probably the designers of the game thought that miltia was accessible only one time, and then they change it.
that is my best guess about that.

That's exactly what I thought... until after Miltia. The after effects are hideous. If you use it to revive a character, they automatically turn to stone and is immediately removed from the battle. So, I suggest doing the Seven Moons sidequest instead.

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