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[PS2] Final Fantasy XII
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Metal Sphere
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Old Jan 14, 2007, 09:39 PM #3651 of 4284
I don't know if I'm considered the 4th man, but I scathed Chaos to complete shit. I got worked up about fighting him because Metal constantly warned us about his Aeroja attack that confuses your party, so I kept Chaos aside too long.
Oh, the confuse aspect is easy. Throw on some Bowline Sashes and you're protected. If you want to defend yourself against Aeroja's wind damage, there's armor that cuts said damage in half. I can't remember exactly where it's sold, but it was also recommended for surviving Yiazmat's Cyclone (which I didn't need).

Oh, and if you've done enough Concurrences/defeat a few Espers, you've probably noticed that the techniques they use when they're in a sticky situation are actually concurrences:

Firaja - Inferno
Blizzaja - Whiteout
Thundaja - Ark Blast
Quakeja - Cataclysm
Waterja - Torrent
Holyja - Luminesence
Darkja - Black Hole (I hated seeing this crap against when I was going for Gabranth)

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Vaan was equipped with anti-Confuse, while Basch and Ashe ran around like, LOL, decapitated chickens which made me laugh hard. It was one of those exceptional moments where it was better to let them die to Arise them with no status ailments. In which I Reflectgaed them and Triple-Scathed Chaos to a complete pile of SHIT (uh, like I said ^^).

Gesus, talk about easy... The "Reflect Trick" was just so damn overpowered
Yeah, it's risky, but sometimes it's better just to revive them rather than try to heal badly wounded/afflicted party members. If you did the trick with all three with no Opal Rings, you did ~89k, almost 90,000 points of damage. That's higher than the Esper deathblows.

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1,668,491 points of HP, constantly switching Magic/Physical palings, very fast, White Breath (like Fafnir and Yiazmat), casts high level spells.

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Old Jan 14, 2007, 09:53 PM #3652 of 4284
Actually, you could conceivably get Larsa at level 99 if you were at said level when you obtained him.
LOL. Amalia at level 99 in Garamsythe Waterway. Is that possible?

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Old Jan 14, 2007, 10:24 PM #3653 of 4284
LOL. Amalia at level 99 in Garamsythe Waterway. Is that possible?
Yes, but you'd have to be fucking insane. BTW, how the hell do I get the Larvae Eater to spawn at Waystone XIV without reapers?

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Old Jan 14, 2007, 10:40 PM #3654 of 4284
Yes, but you'd have to be fucking insane. BTW, how the hell do I get the Larvae Eater to spawn at Waystone XIV without reapers?
I have know idea cause the Reapers come whether Larva Eater is there or not, but if you really really really want that chain, the only way is to force those Reapers to do Dimensional Rift on you.

Oh, and when Larva Eater spawns and you leave the zone, Larva Eater might be gone the next time you re-visit that zone. So never leave once Larva Eater spawns just in case.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?
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Old Jan 14, 2007, 10:56 PM Local time: Jan 14, 2007, 08:56 PM #3655 of 4284
I'm trying to do the Negalmuur Auto Level trick, but I think I'm missing a big step here. What is the Negalmuur exactly. I have a "DarkMare" that looks like a crazy horse, but the stats almost match up exactly to Negalmuur.

Level 31
HP 14000 some
Weak to HOLY Magick.

It doesn't seem to be spawning its friends, but casts dark and poison on my guys. Herm.

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Old Jan 14, 2007, 11:03 PM #3656 of 4284
I have know idea cause the Reapers come whether Larva Eater is there or not, but if you really really really want that chain, the only way is to force those Reapers to do Dimensional Rift on you.

Oh, and when Larva Eater spawns and you leave the zone, Larva Eater might be gone the next time you re-visit that zone. So never leave once Larva Eater spawns just in case.
How am I supposed to do that? The only goddamn things they cast are Death, Annul and Darkra/Whatever the hell.

And I don't think you know how hilarious that last line is, Yuyu. Once those Reapers are on your ass, and so is LE, you're getting the fuck out of that map ASAP. I think I'll just miss chaining him because that's damn near impossible (hell Reapers). Wish me luck.

Oh, and Negalmuur is a reaper-type enemy.


What you're fighting is the Darkmare, who likes to do much the same things as Helvinek, a rare game derived from them.

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Old Jan 14, 2007, 11:11 PM Local time: Jan 14, 2007, 09:11 PM #3657 of 4284
Well then it looks like I've got the wrong guy then. =/

C'MON NEGALMUUR, I gotta start leveling up some guys HERE!

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Old Jan 14, 2007, 11:15 PM #3658 of 4284
Well then it looks like I've got the wrong guy then. =/

C'MON NEGALMUUR, I gotta start leveling up some guys HERE!
He spawns at the intersection, not near the Darkmare. You have to kill all the enemies in the room, come back in and head towards the intersection.

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Old Jan 14, 2007, 11:17 PM Local time: Jan 14, 2007, 09:17 PM #3659 of 4284
The intersection from where you come from the blue crystal? So he materializes out of thin air? CREEPY, just like any other apparition.

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Old Jan 14, 2007, 11:18 PM #3660 of 4284
How am I supposed to do that? The only goddamn things they cast are Death, Annul and Darkra/Whatever the hell..
I know I know...but if you lucky they may do Dimensional Rift...maybe. Press right/left on the D-Pad. Look at their HP. When it is really low as in one more hit and they die, then you wait...and wait... and they do some kamikaze shit.

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And I don't think you know how hilarious that last line is, Yuyu. Once those Reapers are on your ass, and so is LE, you're getting the fuck out of that map ASAP
LMAO!!! That's why I told you if you really really really wanted to chain Larva Eater you 're gonna have to do that.

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I think I'll just miss chaining him because that's damn near impossible (hell Reapers). Wish me luck.
Exactly. Don't chain him, it's a big waste of time. Just kill the Reapers and then finish off Larva Eater. It'll be way much easier. Remeber don't use 2-Handed weapons two finish him off cause you might inadvertently knock him flying to fence surrounding the Waystone and he won't drop anything! Happened to me like 5 times! Good luck!

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Old Jan 14, 2007, 11:40 PM Local time: Jan 14, 2007, 10:40 PM #3661 of 4284
Spat, I worked on the same thing earlier today. It took me 30 minutes of zoning and wiping out the map to get him to spawn. Finally it worked, and I went off to church with it going, and come back only to see that my cornering Balthier wasn't effective enough and I'd been chased into the 'secret' hallway down the way (with the Oilers) after only 520 zombies. I was a bit peeved, but he respawned in the same place and I was able to get 7 levels on 3 of my guys. Just switched out to the other ones, so I hope I'll have a team around 73 by tomorrow morning. I don't dare take on the Behemoth King or anyone else until then.

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Old Jan 14, 2007, 11:46 PM Local time: Jan 14, 2007, 09:46 PM #3662 of 4284
Thanks Vrex. 30 minutes of going in and out. I mind as well turn off my PS2 now and try tomorrow. Too busy with animu now. Yeah I guess this will be left on when I go to work and stuff. I'm obviously aiming for a level 90's result, so I can start taking on some serious stuff, or just breeze through much of the story elements remaining.

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Old Jan 14, 2007, 11:52 PM #3663 of 4284
I know I know...but if you lucky they may do Dimensional Rift...maybe. Press right/left on the D-Pad. Look at their HP. When it is really low as in one more hit and they die, then you wait...and wait... and they do some kamikaze shit.
Ugh, isn't Dimensional Rift that bullshit Etems pull when they're dying? That crap is a OHKO, there's no way I'm going to stand around and let them do that.

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LMAO!!! That's why I told you if you really really really wanted to chain Larva Eater you 're gonna have to do that.
Well, toss that chaining idea for LE out the window. That's too much of a hassle.

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Exactly. Don't chain him, it's a big waste of time. Just kill the Reapers and then finish off Larva Eater. It'll be way much easier. Remeber don't use 2-Handed weapons two finish him off cause you might inadvertently knock him flying to fence surrounding the Waystone and he won't drop anything! Happened to me like 5 times! Good luck!
What the hell... At any given time, 2 of my 3 party members are using a 2H weapon. This is going to be a problem, man. What did you use?

Edit: And yes Spatula, Negalmuur just wills himself out of he void right in front of you. Just like all the other reaper enemies (well, aside from Reapers and Etems who sometimes just float around). Vorres, the rare game that gives you the creepy Gravesoil trophy, is the same way. Get a Dark Elemental to follow you through the path in front of Fury's door and Vorres will appear.

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Old Jan 14, 2007, 11:53 PM Local time: Jan 14, 2007, 10:53 PM #3664 of 4284
Apparently you can get lucky and have it spawn earlier, but it's another one of those quirky things about FF12 you can't predict. Just wipe out everything on the screen, then go to the east (the room with the save crystal) and go back in and see if he comes in at that intersection. I dunno. It was frustrating getting it started, but it hasn't had any issues since.

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Old Jan 15, 2007, 12:56 AM #3665 of 4284
My first time through the game I am just not sure if I would feel right using an auto-leveling tactic. I can see myself doing it on a replay possibly but would just feel like for my first time through I was just cheating myself and making certain aspects of the game to simple.

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Old Jan 15, 2007, 01:20 AM Local time: Jan 15, 2007, 12:20 AM #3666 of 4284
I'm going to be spending time leveling either way. Whether it's autoleveling while I'm doing other things, or whether I have to take hours of time to level up with skeletons (consequently destroying my desire to play the game), it's basically the same to me.

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Old Jan 15, 2007, 01:21 AM Local time: Jan 14, 2007, 11:21 PM #3667 of 4284
I just remembered something that I thought about a while back.

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When Bahamut is crashing into Rabanastre, Zargabaath (Hah, I love that name) says he will ram the Alexander into it to knock it away. The question is, do you think his intentions were selfless, or was he trying go out with a bang and achieve some kind of recognition?


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Old Jan 15, 2007, 02:48 AM #3668 of 4284
I just remembered something that I thought about a while back.

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When Bahamut is crashing into Rabanastre, Zargabaath (Hah, I love that name) says he will ram the Alexander into it to knock it away. The question is, do you think his intentions were selfless, or was he trying go out with a bang and achieve some kind of recognition?
Endgame spoilers: Don't read unless you finished the game.

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From what he knew, Vayne was dead (as the Bahamut had been disabled) and so was his brother, Larsa. Even with the leaders of the Empire dead, Rabanastre is still part of the Empire. If you spoke to several of the guards around town, you'd find that the vast majority wouldn't want anything to happen to this town. IIRC, one mentions that they wouldn't want to see it turn into the next Nabudis.

If the above is not the reason why he tried to get the Bahamut to fall elsewhere, that would leave us with the recognition angle. If you take a good look though, that doesn't hold up. Recognition from who? The rest of his peers are dead, as is the Emperor, the Senate is no more and the two eligible are in a disabled battleship that's falling apart. He's got a whole fleet, an impending Rozzarian invasion and a town that's a trade hub (and part of the Empire) to tend to.

He just did his duty, that's all.


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Old Jan 15, 2007, 06:40 AM #3669 of 4284
Reddas is NOT level 99 - he was Bubbled to 9999 HP. Reddas was in my party for about 10 hours of my playtime, and he didn't level up while the rest of my party did. There's an EXP limit to your guests - they hit a certain amount of experience and then they stop gaining it indefinitely.

He got his characters to Level 99 even BEFORE 98 hours of playtime - which means he went on a, what I call, "Power Trip" - probabaly auto-leveled at Overlooking Eternity in Nabudis Deadlands with those constant skellies spawning. You can also try "Power Tripping" in the Great Sphere just outside Ultima's save point where theres constant Forbidden spawning up and offer about 2000 EXP per kill.
he is indeed in that youtube video @_@ just look at the menu when he starts checking his equipement you can clearly see level 99 @_@

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probabaly auto-leveled at Overlooking Eternity in Nabudis Deadlands with those constant skellies spawning
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Easy, use either the Auto-Leveling trick or the Deadlands trick and you'll be at level 99 by the time you get him
that explains it U_U'''' yawn...

have you noticed in this American version the rare monsters appear alot quicker than the jap one + the controllers are abit diferent like : Jap ver - action is "O" cancel is "X" and USA ver - action is "X" cancel is "O"

is there a way to change the controller configuration?

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Old Jan 15, 2007, 07:17 AM Local time: Jan 15, 2007, 01:17 PM #3670 of 4284
Since i can find the circlet in subterra too, i'm just going directly there. So, can you give me any advice about that dungeon? Or is there any guide for it? I saw the map on gamefaqs, but how does that dugoeon work? Should i fill the pedestals with the dark orb till they shine, and then will the elevator unlock for the next floor? Can i go back and save every time i clear a level? 'cause i wouldn't like to get a wrong treasure from a chest (like the circlet...) at the last floor, withour having ever saved doing that dungeon...

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Old Jan 15, 2007, 08:07 AM #3671 of 4284
What the hell... At any given time, 2 of my 3 party members are using a 2H weapon. This is going to be a problem, man. What did you use?
Oops. When I say 2-Handed weapons, I mean the big guns like Excal. & Tourn. I don't know if weapons like Poles or Katanas knock enemies away but I know for a fact that 2H Swords knock away enemies. You can use the 2-Handed Swords but just don't kill him with it cause he might go flying somewhere. Keep him to the center of the arena near the Waystone if you still persist on using your weapons. Let's see...

I used...

Ashe: Gastrophetes/Sapping Bolts
Penelo: Grand Mace
Balthier: Durandal

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Old Jan 15, 2007, 01:42 PM #3672 of 4284
Since i can find the circlet in subterra too, i'm just going directly there. So, can you give me any advice about that dungeon? Or is there any guide for it? I saw the map on gamefaqs, but how does that dugoeon work? Should i fill the pedestals with the dark orb till they shine, and then will the elevator unlock for the next floor? Can i go back and save every time i clear a level? 'cause i wouldn't like to get a wrong treasure from a chest (like the circlet...) at the last floor, withour having ever saved doing that dungeon...
There isn't a whole lot going on other then knowing how many orbs to place within each pedestal. I'm pretty sure there is a guide for that and if not heres the amounts that you put in each pedestal at there given location.

Level:-----------NE--NW-- SE---SW-----Total:
Penumbra--------18--9---- 3-----6------ 36
Umbra-----------15--9-----15----18----- 57
Abyssal----------15--21----27----12----- 75


Before you enter the rooms at any location there will be hordes of Abadon's as well as I believe night mares. So just be prepared as soon as you come off the elevator, depending on your level of course. What I did was to save it after every floor that I completed. It just made sense seeing as how it took a little while to complete each one and I got some really good treausre while down there. Couple things to keep in mind. First you might want to have a couple bowline sashes handy. While in any of the rooms sometimes the Necrofiends come out and use Phantasmal Glaze which will confuse you. I almost had my party wiped out by killing each other after this. Another thing is, you should really NOT attack the magic pot. I did accidentally while fighting a couple other things and actually got wiped out. Also be sure to kill Phoneix on the First Floor (Penumbra).

Edit: Sorry about that chart, if there is any confusion about it just let me know and I will clarify.

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Old Jan 15, 2007, 03:11 PM Local time: Jan 15, 2007, 02:11 PM #3673 of 4284
Once I'm at the point where I can actually get black orbs, that'll be very useful. It makes sense, too, if you know how to read tables. :P I tried the subterra in average level 64 and basically got owned in short order. Prepped better for it the second time and got through two waves before I very nearly got very owned again. Now that I've done some levelling up I'll give it another shot, but being swarmed by 8 mobs the same level as me was not easy to survive.

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Old Jan 15, 2007, 03:15 PM #3674 of 4284
Once I'm at the point where I can actually get black orbs, that'll be very useful. It makes sense, too, if you know how to read tables. :P I tried the subterra in average level 64 and basically got owned in short order. Prepped better for it the second time and got through two waves before I very nearly got very owned again. Now that I've done some levelling up I'll give it another shot, but being swarmed by 8 mobs the same level as me was not easy to survive.
Yea the chart was messed up before so i had to edit it, so now I think it should be easy enough for people who can read lol. Anyways the same thing happened to me, I went there at too low of a level and ended up having to retreat to the elevator. I think I finished everything there at around mid 70's and it was easy enough to walk around so long as my characters weren't being confused! Another thing you should wach out for is there are a ton of traps there so you may want to enter the area using float or set it up in your gambit system.

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Old Jan 15, 2007, 04:13 PM #3675 of 4284
Oops. When I say 2-Handed weapons, I mean the big guns like Excal. & Tourn. I don't know if weapons like Poles or Katanas knock enemies away but I know for a fact that 2H Swords knock away enemies. You can use the 2-Handed Swords but just don't kill him with it cause he might go flying somewhere. Keep him to the center of the arena near the Waystone if you still persist on using your weapons. Let's see...

I used...

Ashe: Gastrophetes/Sapping Bolts
Penelo: Grand Mace
Balthier: Durandal
Now the problem is that those weapons suck badly compared to the 2H ones I use (Whale Whisker, Tournesol, Excalibur). It's only going to make killing the Reapers a long and drawn out affair, and Larvae Eater himself is going to parry the shit out of most of those.

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