[Movie] Heroes

Originally Posted by Crash Landon

This would be fine except for the two scenes in which Sylar uses his (stolen) telekinetic powers on nonmetallic objects. Once, he causes his ceramic coffee mug to come to his hand in the Burnt Toast Diner. The other is during the flashback, when he causes an ordinary drinking glass to move, then fly away and shatter.

This proves that Sylar can manipulate things other than metal.

I never said he couldn't manipulate other objects as well, I just meant that plastic ones are not likely to break the glass. Besides, metal ones are more likely to be used as effective weapons than plastic forks or human flesh which explains why there are no nails in the walls.

Eden soft. Gun hard. Get it?

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That's weird. If he could do that, why didn't he just manipulate the glass and shatter it? Rather than waiting for someone and then getting caught again.

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He probably can't manipulate objects that precisely right now, which is why he needed to use a metal object to break the glass, seeing that there were no other usable objects around his cell. It (super)naturally should take more energy to shatter glass of that magnitude than to shatter a normal drinking glass. That's my theory anyways, take it or leave it.

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Maybe Sylar can only use his powers when another one of him is nearby. Or rather when someone broken like him is nearby.

And he can manipulate glass - remember when he threw it with his mind?

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I know he can manipulate an unfixated drinking glass, but can he manipulate a fixated, really tough, supposedly bullet-proof glass window? In that case, what's stopping him from breaking the wall and flee out the other way?

I don't remember, but did the glass he manipulated earlier break in mid-air or did it break upon slamming against something, like a wall?

Edit: On second thought, I don't think they thought about this at all since. If the glass is bullet-proof(which it should be) it wouldn't break either way. But since we're using Hollywood glass physics here I guess it can't be helped. If, however, he CAN break stuff like that at will he should be able to break almost anything. It would mean that he could manipulate the very atoms of the object itself and telekinetically make them repel. This would make him mighty indeed. Too mighty.

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Originally Posted by Sword Familiar

Edit: On second thought, I don't think they thought about this at all since. If the glass is bullet-proof(which it should be) it wouldn't break either way. But since we're using Hollywood glass physics here I guess it can't be helped. If, however, he CAN break stuff like that at will he should be able to break almost anything. It would mean that he could manipulate the very atoms of the object itself and telekinetically make them repel. This would make him mighty indeed. Too mighty.

That would be the ultimate power. In theory you could create anything you desired even energy out of nothing , he wouldnt need any other special physical attributes from other heroes at all.

I like the theory of the gun, is correct, if you watch the scene again. Just before Edan is flung at the glass the camera pans to the gun.

Nobody picked this up but to me it sounds like Sylar is angry who he has become, an addict - killing to collect powers.

"You knew didnt you...you knew what I was and you let it continue."

Im still uncertain how Sylar is able to block out Edan powers, he hasn't absorbed them yet because he says to her that he will. My current conclusion is that because he understand how it works it has no effect.

Did anyone notice that sylar is always left in the dark until someone comes in to visit, it would seem then that he can only use his power of analysis with sight. Therefore a good way to stop him would be to blind him.

Another thing I noticed, is that Hero doesn't have his sword or goaty, so Peter premanition happens before we see Hero fight a T-Rex. Which is disappointing cos I can't wait for that episode lol

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New comic is out. So, they are going to be releasing comics every week even when the show of off air for now.

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/

Peter's in a coma.

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I'm not an expert at observing the little clues, but is it possible that someone had the power to implant the vision of Peter being the bomb so he would obsess about it and eventually become the villian?

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Originally Posted by striped phantom

New comic is out. So, they are going to be releasing comics every week even when the show of off air for now.

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/

Peter's in a coma.

Interesting. So these comics are canonical? I'll have to look over the older ones - do they fill in gaps that aren't covered in the show, or are they a glimpse into what the show is going to be showing in upcoming episodes?

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Either way, if the thing's canonical, it reaks of someone messing with his dream-state - after Sylar supposedly crawling into his dreams, then the coma-inducing vision of the 'future', and now this - seems like someone's messing with him, unless visions are part of his power (which I would tend to doubt).

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Originally Posted by Drex

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Either way, if the thing's canonical, it reaks of someone messing with his dream-state - after Sylar supposedly crawling into his dreams, then the coma-inducing vision of the 'future', and now this - seems like someone's messing with him, unless visions are part of his power (which I would tend to doubt).

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Although, he does seem to have these dreams quite frequently. Perhaps the supposed "manipulator" of his dreams has had him under surveillance a very long time? I get the feeling that it's part of his powers, though.

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It just seems so odd that he suddenly has a vision when no one around him had the power to have visions of the future. Isaac has the power to paint images of the future, but not have full motion visions of it. It just seems very fishy to me. Someone had to want to make Peter believe he was going to be evil and eventually accept it.

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Originally Posted by Drex

Interesting. So these comics are canonical? I'll have to look over the older ones - do they fill in gaps that aren't covered in the show, or are they a glimpse into what the show is going to be showing in upcoming episodes?

Yeah, these were meant to be read between episodes. Sometimes it's backstory and sometimes it's an event that happens in between episodes (Claire crashing the car.)

Most notable information was Eden's backstory (#9) and confirmation that .. you know.. (comic #11)

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Yeah, thanks for the info about the comic, striped phantom, I had no idea it existed. I'm sure someone has mentioned it in this thread before, though. Just didn't feel like reading each and every reply.

About the comic:

Spoiler:

Wow, so Sylar didn't manage to escape? That's big news for me... But it doesn't change my gun theory.

.... nice reading. Will be looking forward to reading more of this every week.

Additional:

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Hehe, episode #12 of the comic, where Peter sees himself, reminded me a lot of Star Wars when Luke must enter that cave to face his fears and cuts his own head off believing it was Darth Vader.

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This has nothing to do with the theories of the show, but rather the weird Zach "ungay" controversy. It was brought up in this weeks Ask Ausiello and it's kind of strange.

http://www.afterelton.com/TV/2006/12/heroes.html

Either NBC made Zach go back into the metaphorical closet, or the actor wanted his character to go back to straight. Either way, it's strange.

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Wait...Zach was gay? We are talking about Claire's friend right? I always thought he had the hots for her from day one...

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Maybe the Haitian man took the 'gayness' out of Zach when erasing his Claire memories lol.

I was speaking idiomatically.

LOL, there was basically some questions when people constantly made gay jokes about him on the show, which I kind of chalked up to today's high school environment. But people basically said, 'Ok, he is' when he said something like, "I know who and what I am and I'm happy with that. I don't care what other people think." Even though he didn't outwardly say it. I don't know what I really think. I just like the duo of Claire and Zach being her sidekick.

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Oh, lame. They never outrightly said anything either way, but with the MySpace account it seemed fairly assured that he was gay. I was thinking that it's one of the few shows where I felt they had a fair portrayal of a younger gay character, and they go and back down on it. Either way, though, it's going to be hard to reintroduce his character, if they do at all. I'm thinking it's pretty doubtful.

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Originally Posted by ArchesFan

I just like the duo of Claire and Zach being her sidekick.

While Zach being gay is a plus for me, I'm putting the value of the friendship that Claire and Zach had over Zach's sexuality. I truly enjoyed watching them interact and the thought of never seeing that again is a little disheartening. Claire really needed Zach, but I guess getting rid of Zach and establishing a connection with Peter is more important in the long run.

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You know, if the phase out Zach, that makes me a bit worried that they will phase out every other side-character in the series. And it makes me worried because without Ando, Hiro really wouldn't feel like Hiro anymore, know what I mean?

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I totally agree with the whole side-character's/sidekicks. Claire and Zach are a pair and I loved to watch that whole story. Ando balances Hiro out from just being all "X-Men/Video Games/Anime" Hero all the time. If they take them away, that takes away a big part of the show for me.

It's like on Smallville. They've stupidly set themselves up by establishing the character of Chloe, who is basically Clark's best friend/confidante/sidekick, and brought in a very poorly interpreted version of Lois Lane who has little to no depth to her. So eventually they are going to have to kill or make Chloe leave and everyone loves Chloe, no one loves Lois. I think it's really important for a show like Heroes to show not only how the view of the people who have obtained powers, but also the normal people who interact with the heroes.

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Originally Posted by ArchesFan

I totally agree with the whole side-character's/sidekicks. Claire and Zach are a pair and I loved to watch that whole story. Ando balances Hiro out from just being all "X-Men/Video Games/Anime" Hero all the time. If they take them away, that takes away a big part of the show for me.

It's like on Smallville. They've stupidly set themselves up by establishing the character of Chloe, who is basically Clark's best friend/confidante/sidekick, and brought in a very poorly interpreted version of Lois Lane who has little to no depth to her. So eventually they are going to have to kill or make Chloe leave and everyone loves Chloe, no one loves Lois. I think it's really important for a show like Heroes to show not only how the view of the people who have obtained powers, but also the normal people who interact with the heroes.

Yeah, but Smallville has went down the tubes a long, long time ago. No real point to watching the show anymore, because they dont' really touch on Clark's destiny at all, just "save smallville, metropolis from some other guy other than lex luthor" all the time.

Heroes, while it's disjointed with how many characters it has, even though it works really well, still manages to have a core story, and everyone is connected, whereas Smallville pretty much introduces people that don't matter in the long run.

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Well that wasn't the point I was making, but Smallville hasn't fully lost touch with Clark's destiny considering the main goal for Clark right now is to send all the Phantoms he released from the Phantom Zone back and then begin his training to fulfill his destiny. And as for introducing people that don't matter in the long run....they've introduced Lois, though as tepid and shallow as she is right now, Jimmy Olsen, they introduced characters who will help form the Justice League (Even though Cyborg is in Smallville's version.). I was just bringing up Chloe because she's not in any of the comics or anything, but she's a loved character and it's not going to be the same without her.

Not to get off topic, since this is a Heroes forum. =P

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Godsend: Trailer 1

Godsend: Trailer 2

Godsend: Trailer 3

There seems to be a new baddy, "How can you see me?", very good trailers lots to speculate over. Unfortunately Hiro doesn't seem to teleport himself into the Jurassic age, he seems to just be at a museum.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by The Furious One

There seems to be a new baddy, "How can you see me?"

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Actually, he's not a "bad guy." The character--Claude--will turn out to be quite the mentor to Peter. Think of him as Yoda, I guess.

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