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Old Mar 7, 2009, 10:53 AM #3226 of 3609
I heard about the rumors of JBL getting the IC title. My guess is he'd be the first guy to defend the title at Mania since, like 01. I don't like it...but I can see the WWE doing it especially as JBL has basically been the "main event job guy" for thepast year and a half and they'll want to reward him.

I have this feeling Punk is going to Smackdown! soon. For whatever reason, I have had the feeling for some time that the reason Punk's title reigns have been one or two months long is they are going to have him become the first even, current generation grand slam winner. That is he'll win ALL the titles on ALL the brands at one point. With that being said, don't be surprised to see the Carlito's unify the tag titles with Miz / Morrison, then lose them to Miz / Morrison in which Punk / ??? wins them from those two (in which it would sorta be like revenge as Punk / Koji lost the titles to them some months back).

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According to some new reports making the rounds, there is said to be lots of frustration among WWE's creative team due to Vince McMahon's behavior as of late.

It is well known that working under Vince can be very challenging for everyone involved in WWE as he is described as being very frantic and changes his mind constantly about the creative direction of the company. In turn, this frustrates many employees as it means a lot of extra work that many see as unnecessary.

One WWE source described Vince has being especially hard to work with lately, noting that he has been snapping at people and constantly changing his mind about storyline directions. Those who are immune to Vince's behavior seem only to be the wrestlers as he rarely has a negative word to say to them. Instead, the support staff around Vince ends up taking a brunt of it.

One big company initiative taking place right now reportedly is to stop leaks to wrestling media news sources than ever before in the past. Vince was described as being almost obsessed with stopping stories from leaking out of the company and his lieutenants are making this very clear to their subordinates. One example of this already was Vince ordering the ring crew to cover the Elimination Chamber earlier in the day at the site of the No Way Out PPV to prevent leaks from hitting the internet of Edge's involvement in both matches while wrestlers worked out spots for the show that evening.

Source: PWInsider.com

Heh, if this is true, I can only imagine what Vince did when that script leaked. Maybe it was one of the writers who just got released (although he was on Smackdown!).

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Old Mar 11, 2009, 05:43 PM #3227 of 3609
Well, it looks like JBL may be once again bowing out. Word has it his back is messed up and he is talking about immediate retirement.

This is leading to the possibility of JBL possibly retiring at Wrestlemania 25 as IC champ. This is probably why he suddenly won the IC title (so he could be a grand slam winner before he retired). Personally, I hate this but could see JBL saying he is the first guy to ever retire as champion at Wrestlemania. That would be his big surprise. It would stink though as him retiring with thet itle would do nothing for it's legacy (which ironically was being celebrated just a few months back with an IC tourny that Punk won to soon become champ and through a released DVD set). I mean, maybe this is a way for them to retire the IC title and have the US title become a multi-brand title (something they may be dong with the tag titles).

Another possibility is him to feud with Koslov. I am guessing JBL is the one who will turn face, as they can undoubtably push him as the "American Hero" against Koslov (who is certainly not reached his "heel peak" by any stretch). JBL would successfully defend the title against Koslov, then perhaps in April or May (the supposed time he would retire), be injured and put out by Koslov who'd win the title. It would also be fresh as JBL hasn't been a face since 2004 while Koslov as a heel is still something somewhat new.

Another person is Rey Mysterio. While nothing has been said abouth im going against JBL, there isn't a match set for Rey Rey yet. It would be quite interesting as it could be deja vu from 2006 all over again with Rey retiring JBL once more.

Ironically, I just picked up Judgement day, which is JBL's last PPV before he was retired by Mysterio a few nights later.

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Old Mar 11, 2009, 08:45 PM #3228 of 3609
I just can't picture JBL being a face. The only times I recall him doing so after APA was when he teamed up with Faarooq that one time and when he was dressed as Santa for that Tribute to the Troops show. I think other than Canada, Texas would be the only place where he could pull off being a face.

Sucks to hear about JBL, but if another tournament for the IC Title would result from it then I'm all for it. Tournaments for a title just seem really rare in the WWE. What they could end up doing is hold the King of the Ring tournament and the winner would not only be named the 2009 King of the Ring, but would also be awarded the Intercontinental Title.

Also, did anyone catch Raw Monday and the look Cena had after he showed that video? I was laughing for a good bit.

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Old Mar 11, 2009, 08:58 PM #3229 of 3609
Truth is, as you said, it IS in Texas so he could get away with it. JBL is a throwback to the old texas style wrestlers like Dick Murdoch and Stan Hansen.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Mar 14, 2009, 03:29 AM #3230 of 3609
This is a Test

Is he alive or dead?


Also, are they trying to unify the tag team belts? I havent been keeping up with smackdown, or the lousy tag team division. And oh god, TNA is just getting worse progressivly.

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Old Mar 14, 2009, 04:09 AM Local time: Mar 14, 2009, 02:09 AM #3231 of 3609
Yeah. Apparently Test was found Dead at his home in Tampa...supposedly anyways.

I guess we'll find out when more details emerge.

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Old Mar 14, 2009, 10:43 AM #3232 of 3609
I heard about Test as well. Supposedly, Dave Metzler is one of those reporting it which is a pretty reliable source. Hard to believe ANOTHER one died young. Only 33 years old. I remember when I first saw Test starting out in the WWE as part of Motley Crew, only to join the Corporation after betraying DX not-too-long afterwards. He then went on to feud with Shane for Stephanie, got showed up at the "wedding" by Triple H, then basically faded away for a few months until he turned heel and joined with Albert and Trish as part of TNA (not the wrestling promotion). They teamed for like, forever, but didn't get far, in which Test turned face again for a short time, feuding for the Hardcore title. He won the title, then lost it back soon afterwards, and turned heel after the WWE roster thought he was the WCW mole due to his friendship with Shane and beat teh crap out of him.,
He then faced Edge in some excellent matches, winning the IC title from Edge before losing it back in a unification match. Test though won a battle royal that allowed him to say on the roster. My mind blurs after this point, but I swear he also won the European title at some point. Anyway, he then joined the Unamericans which did decent for a while, with hs best match being against Taker (he scored a pinfall win over Taker the week before). The Unamericans broke up, with Test soon joining up with Stacy Keiber, eventually cutting his hair and calling his fans his testicules.
They did alright although Test never really got anywhere. eventually, he started to turn heel after he got into some trouble I think cheating on Stacy (in storylines) when Goldbust told people about it. He then teamed, feuded and teamed against with Scott Steiner, ultimately turning heel and dumping Stacy. Oh, and he won the rights to own Steiner only to let them go after Steiner turned heel.
They then had some tag matches and that's about all I remember. He then came back a few years ago and feuded mostly with Lashley but came up short all 28 times. He then disappeared again, with his last apperance being a short time in TNA as the Punisher (which ironically I saw during one of my visits to the States). He though, had to leave supposedly due to enhancements or something like that and retired last year.

I'm surprised I remember that much about him.

Onto other news or past news or whatever, if the WWE were / is going to basically reduce / unify titles, here is hwo they should do it:

Woman's / Diva's title - The winner of the Diva Battle Royal unifies them. It makes sense right, the first Mrs. Wrestlemania is also the champ.

Tag Titles - Already discussed.

IC / US titles - JBL wins at Wrestlemania. Koslov beats him down afterwards. Koslov wins the US title from Shelton or MVP. JBL comes back only and demands a US title shot. Koslov allows it but wins. They then unify the titles the next month with Koslov taking the gold. Alternatively, if they are going to have JBL retire as champion, let him do so, have Koslov destory him, have the US champion come out to stop Koslov, and have Koslov beat the champ for the title.

ECW / World / WWE titles - This one is trickier but I thought of what I feel would be a shocking, hot angle, that would truly establish one of the up and coming stars, while setting up feuds for him all the way to and including Wrestlemania.

I am going to use Christian in this case because he's on ECW and I think he would benefit the most at this point and given his years in the business, "deserves" it.

Orton wins the WWE title. Edge retains / wins back the world title. Christian wins the MITB match.

We eventually get to Night of Champions. The card is Christian Vs Jack Swagger for the title, Orton Vs Triple H in a Final Chapter Match, Edge Vs Cena in a Final Chapter match. Finally, there would be a one night only tournament for the world title.

Christan cleanly defeats Jack Swagger for the title. Later on in the card, it is announced that Triple H hasn't made it to the arena yet due to "car issues". Orton comes to the arena, gloats, give the feeling that he caused the car issues without saying it. He then says how ironic that his and Triple H's last match ends with Triple H too scared to fight him in it. He then gloats some more saying he is still the champion in which Christian comes out with the brief case.
Christian wisely puts the case down by the announcing booth, then goes up to speak to Orton and takes shots at him. He then goes on to say that he can have a title shot for Orton's title any time that he wants, even right now. Orton gets angry and asks him if he wants a title shot right now, which Christian nods, and Orton saying he's got it. Orton will further state at some point that he knows Christian has already had a match and that unlike all the previous years in which the challenger took advantage of a cheap situation, he (Orton) is going to end it right here, right now so he doesn't have to worry about it.
Orton and Christian face off, with Orton doing better than Christian, mainly because of Christian's last match. At one point, Orton is ready to hit the RKO when Triple H's music hits and a pissed off Triple H comes down the ring. Orton smiles at him as Triple H gets to the bottom, in which referees get in the way to stpo Triple H. Orton then goes over to the ropes and yells at Triple H, mocking him. Suddenly, Christian springs alive, rolls up Orton from behind, holds the tights, and becomes a dual champion to the shock of everyone.

We aren't done though. In the final match in the even, Edge defeats John Cena using his feet on the ropes. Cena is enraged that this is the ending result of their feud and pummels Edge with multiple FU's, and locksk on a STFU. Referee's and officials flood the ring, and you even see Christian run down the ring with a chair, looking angrily at Cena. Cena eventually leaves, as the referees and officials check on Edge. after a few minutes. then begin to get him off his feet, only for Christian to suddenly smash Edge in the face with a chair!

The referees and officials go nuts on Christian who brushes them aside, gets out of the ring, gets the briefcase, then gets in and immediately demands his title shot. It is then revealed that Christian never told the referee earlier that he wanted to use his title shot against Orton; Orton gave Christian a title shot on his own (so Christian goaded Orton into the match). Match begins, Christian pulls the near limp Edge off the match, hits the unprettier / killswitch and covers him for the 3 count, to win the WWE title, unify all the world titles, get huge wins over all three brands biggest "young" stars, winning three world titles in one night (thereby beating Jericho's accomplishment which will of course be another feud in the making), and giving that monster push for him into the main event.

I know some may feel Christian shouldn't be champ, but why not give him a chance? Rey Rey, Punk, and Jeff Hardy were all given chances, so why not Christian as well. If it fails, then he can lose the title to virtually anyone in his next set of matches.

The next PPV (July) would have Christian face against the winner of the one-night tournament to help build his credibility up as champion.

At Summerslam, Christian would face against Orton and cleanly defeat him (Orton would beat Triple H in a match the previous month for a title shot as they would determine that since there was no actual match, there was no real Final Chapter).

In September, there would be the six or eight match scramble match including Christian, Jack Swagger, Randy Orton, Triple H, Edge, Chris Jericho, and two others. Christian would win, but it would be sketchy as Jack Swagger would get a win early and more or less keep everyone at bay for the next twenty five minutes (since there would be only one of these match, the match length would be bumped up to thirty minutes) until Christian managed to sneak out a win at the end.

In October, Jack Swagger will state that he was just seconds from being champion and has defeated Christian multiple times and there should ge ta title shot. They wll have one with Christian getting the clean win.

During all this time, this slowly leads down to a conforntation between Edge and Christian. They finally have it out at Surivovr Series. Christian cleanly pins Edge.

About a weak later, Christian and Jeff hardy face against Edge and Matt Hardy. Jeff screws up, hits Christian, and Edges get the pinfall. This then sets up the seeds for a Christian heel turn.

Christian, being to slowly turn heel, faces Jeff Hardy (who defeats Edge and Matt) one year to the event where Jeff won the WWE title. He wins cleanly but does some dirty tactics that the fans begin to boo him for.

Christian then goes on to face John Cena and beats him at the Royal Rumble using his feet on th eropes. Cena isn't totally cheered but it's another step towards a full heel turn for Christian.

At NWO, he faces Triple H. Edge interferes though, and aids Christian using a conchairto so Christian can get the pinfall win.

Come Wrestlemania, Christian will face whoever won the Royal Rumble. One possibility cuold be HBK, as HBK has stated he would retire after Mania 26. it could be conceivable that HBK does the "this old dog still got it" type angle, winning the Royal Rumble for a third time (which no one has done), then faces Christian (probably losing to him to put him over as that's how HBK is). Another psosibility would be a new, up and coming star, that the WWE has built up over the year (yes, I know, this one is laughable), that wins hte Royal Rumble and has the showdown against the now heel Christian. They could even have Christian and the winner of the RR have confrontations in which the winner of the RR would basically verbally Smackdown! Christian, leading to more fansupport of said individual and more of a heel turn for Christian. Then, we could have Triple H vs HBK in HBK's retirement match.

Also, Christian can have other feuds. He could feud with Jericho over 1.) their past history and 2.) the fact that Christian 'beat" Jericho's record. He could feud with Batista who just wants to get the title (as Batista always does). Then there is also Undertaker, Punk, and Rey Mysterio which would have decent matches as well.

The end result of this would be to have another stelluar champion (Christian) and hopefully a new star that would be used for years afterward (the RR winner aside from HBK).

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Old Mar 17, 2009, 05:16 PM Local time: Mar 17, 2009, 03:16 PM #3233 of 3609
I have to say. I have to give props to TNA and their video team. The intro video to Destination X was pretty cool.

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Old Mar 17, 2009, 05:47 PM #3234 of 3609
And I have to give props that they are really building Sting's last world title reign. I highly doubt Foley will knock him off so that means he'll have the title until May, making his title reign his longest ever. And IF they at LEAST have him defend the title say in mid April (most likely the 18th), then he'll already have beaten his old record.

Oh, and having Style as a Legends champ...FINALLY.

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Old Mar 17, 2009, 09:38 PM Local time: Mar 17, 2009, 07:38 PM #3235 of 3609
I'll be interested to see how they work with Joe as this Nation of Violence thing is quite interesting.

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Old Mar 21, 2009, 10:03 AM #3236 of 3609
So, Mania matches are pretty much set. Here is how I would handle them given things as they are:

Tag Titles Unification - First off, why do I forsee the Belle Twins ultimately turning on the Carlito's and giving the tag titles to Miz/ Morrison? In my opinion, Miz / Morrison have been a dominant team, but at some point they are going to have to break off, something the Colon's aren't going to do for some time. It would be far better for the Colon's to unify the tag titles as the tag titles represent old school wrestling, and a "brother's team" is also fairly old school wrestling-wise.
At any rate, I'd have it that for once, the fans are swerved and instead of Miz / Morrison screwing the Colons via the Belle twins, they screw Miz / Morrison, with the Colon's picking up the win, and the other tag team titles. This would establish the Colon's as not only did they unify the titles, the won BOTH of them in seperate matches against Miz / Morrison who has been the dominant team in the past year. They could go on to have the idea that each Colon is with one of the Belle's, eventually leading to the Colon's at some point losing the tag titles, blaming it on the Belle twins, then even having a tag title match of Colon's / Belle's. This would be way down the line but you get the idea and it would be a perfect way to start off Wrestlemania. Oh, and this would plant the seeds for the Miz / Morrison split and feud.

Diva Battle Royale - If we are unifying titles, why not the woman's / diva titles? In fact, that will happen as moment's before the match, the two champs will face off, daring the other to put her title on the line. Anyway, the final four come to the two current champs, Trish, and Gail Kim. Trish has embodied woman's pro wrestling for several years. Gail embodies woman's pro wrestilng the last few years in TNA and can and should in the WWE into the future. Have it that the winner is not only Mrs. Wrestlemania, but the champ as well. Trish and Gail eliminate the champs, then go at it, with Gail eliminating Trish, ironically repeating history during the first time she was in the WWE when in her first televised match she won the title in the battle royale. Trish would then shake Gail's hand, sorta to pass the torch to her and give her the rub in the right direction. Gail can then feud with the previous champs, giving them title shots.

JBL Vs Mysterio - JBL wins. He then gets on the mic and says that he's noticed that in the last two matches, two titles have went ahead. He will say that this match will be no different. He'll then say the last time he faced Rey, Rey retired him. JBL will say that since the man who retired him last time couldn't retire him, no one can retire him...except himself. That's right, JBL says it's been seven years since the iC title was last defended, he hoped people enjoyed it because they won't see it again. JBL retires as IC champ.

The announcers state how amazing it is that three titles have seemingly been unified / retired.

MITB match - See above in an earlier post but due to smoe things going on angle-wise, there are a few changes.

Edge - Cena - Big Show - In a shocking change of events, Edge and Cena do the infamous double turn. that hasn't been done since mania 13 (more or less). The end comes with Edge spearing Big Show. He goes to pin Big Show when Cena breaks it up. Cena then goes for the FU, only for Edge to counter. Edge then goes for the spear, Vickie holds his foot to the shock / rage of Edge, only for when he turns around, Cena hits the FU and pins him. People are then shocked, when suddenly Vickie says she loves Cena and they; hug to huge booes. After years of people grudgingly accepting Cena as a face to the point that they are OK with it, Cena turns heel. It's also been quite a while since his last heel turn. Big show is at first angry but since he really wasn't the one screwed, he stays heel and feuds with Edge for a bit. Edge will win his match against Show, and eventually get his shot at Cena at Night of Champions.

That leads to the following changes to my original idea of unifying the title.
During the edge ~ Cena match, Cena screws Edge for the title. Edge goes nuts and beats down Edge. Referee's come out and suddenly Christian comes out. Christian yells at Edge to pick up a chair, with Edge, enraged, doing so. Christian picks up one of his own and they blast Cena with a conchairto, knocking him out. The referees then hold Edge down as Christian cashs in his title shot, picks up a knocked out Cena, hits him with the unprettier, and wins the title from him.

At Survivor Series (all the other things I said stay the same), Cena faces Christian, not Edge. Then come NWO or even Wrestlemania the two face off. It really depends on how well Edge is doing as a face, and also if the WWE has built any other future star up to face Christian. If the answers to the latter two situations is "No", then Edge wins the Royal Rumble and he and Christian finally have their match at Wrestlemania. As a sub for Edge at NWO, Christian could face HBK as those two have never really faced each other, and as a bit of a "final rub" from HBK on his way out, he could do the job for Christian. The feud between Edge and Christian would be easy to set up. They would trash talk each other back and forth. Christian would say his one title reign is almost longer than all eight of Edge's. Edge would say the only reason Christian has that title reign is become of him.

Taker - HBK - Taker wins and finally "defeats" HBK. The story of the match is HBK does his Taker with the superkick, but the referee is in a daze. He'll go on to say he knows it, the fans know it, even Undertaker knows that his streak was "ended" by HBK at Mania (in the actual match, after taker kicks out of the Superkick due to a delayed out, HBK geos for another, Taker ducks, picks him up and nails the Tombstone for the finish). They'll face each other at Backlash in which HBK gets the win, the one more time at the next PPV in which Taker wins. They then shake hands afterwards.

Orton - HHH - They go back and forth with Triple H in the end beating Orton after interference from Vince (who after Orton decks Triple H with some knucks "pins" Triple H only to have the match restarted) and Stephanie (who during htis period of time, confronts Orton, and kicks him low). Orton then goes on to badmouth Stephanie, etc, etc in which they have a rematch at Backlash where one year to the event he lost the title, Orton reclaims it. Orton then goes on to lose it to Christian as I mentioned before.

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Well, on the night that Ring of Honor has it's first televised show, it is also having it's Seven Year Anniversary show. Despite all THAT news, the even huger news is their world champion, Nigel Mcguiness is injured meaning that on the Seventh Anniversary Show (which would be fitting), there might be very well a new world champion. He is suppose to face KENTA, the current NOAH Light Heavyweight champion, and someone who has always been so close regarding winning the title. Other picks might be Jerry Lynn (moving his title shot opportunity up two weeks) and finally Tyler Black (who has an anytime-anywhere title shot)

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Old Mar 23, 2009, 05:07 PM #3237 of 3609
Well, Nigel retained but ouch, word is out not one but BOTH biceps are torn. talk about double tough.

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Old Mar 23, 2009, 08:51 PM #3238 of 3609
Mania Predictions:

Diva Battle Royale - If they're saying "several WWE Divas from the past enter the ring to challenge those who have followed in their footsteps" Trish Stratus will get the win here, no doubt about it.

MITB match - Definitely my favorite match at Wrestlemania and I'm glad I can look forward to it every year. Guys like Benjamin always make an impact here. However, if I'm going to put my money on someone to win it here it will have to be Kane. I would have picked Punk but it's too early to have someone earn a 2nd MitB win.

Taker - HBK - HBK will do the Superkick, Taker kicks out and tombstones HBK. Taker wins and maintains his streak.

Jeff Hardy vs. Matt Hardy (extreme rules match) - WWE better not screw this up because this match will be fucking epic. I'll say that Matt will get the win.

JBL Vs Mysterio (IC Title) - Mysterio becomes the new IC champ while JBL goes on to retire.

Miz & Morrison vs. Carlito & Primo (Tag Titles Unification) - Miz & Morrison seem unstoppable, so I see them getting the win here and they'll unify the titles.

Edge - Cena - Big Show - Edge and Big Show will take out Cena, then fight amongst themselves. Cena comes back in with an impact by knocking Big Show out of the ring and nails his finisher on Edge, then proceeds to lock Edge into the STF. Cena will be knocked out by Big Show and Big Show will proceed to chokeslam Edge and become the new champion.

Orton - HHH - McMahons return to take out Rhodes and Dibiase in the middle of the match. After a hard fought match, HHH will defeat Orton.

A scenario that could possibly happen is that Kane would come out and cash in MitB against Big Show, winning the title there.

I'm a bit surprised that the ECW title isn't being defended at Mania.

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Old Apr 3, 2009, 08:40 PM #3239 of 3609
This is more of a "what would be best to happen" with predictions rather than actual predictinos:

Carlito's Vs Miz / Morrison - Instead of having Brie Belle turn on the Carlito's which is obviously forseen and an angle that has happened24342543 times, the Carlito's should win as it makes more sense for the brother team (which s more traditional) to unify the titles and move on. Miz and Morrison have really run their course and done a great job, but it's about that time for them to split up and move into smoething new.

Diva's Battle Royal - Either Trish Stratus or Gail Kim should win. Trish defined the woman's division in the last decade and did a lot for the title. She retired as champion. She was OK as a heel, but really effective as a face and almost has gone the level of Sting (most don't / can't really boo her now). Gail Kim defined TNA's woman's division and could be the woman who defines it in the next decade.

MITB: Christian or Kane should get it. No one really stands out and the way they have treated Christian has really hurt his stock. Case in point, do you realize that by now he probably already has amassed the same or more losses since his return to the WWE than his entire time in TNA? Kane seems a possibility to have one last, strong push, which was foreshadowed by his win this Monday. I could already see Kane turning face, then, after Edge /Orton get away with some heelish antics, getting pummeled but winning, only for them to hear Kane's music, who destroys them within a minute to get another world title.

Edge / Show / Cena - If they aren't turning Cena heel and going with Vickie, then give it to Big Show. Edge has proven himself and needs a break as champ, while Cena doesn't need the title. Have Show win it for some fresh matches, including possibly the Kane scenario I mentioned.

Mysterio / JBL - While I don't totally disagree with getting rid fo a few titles, I feel that the IC title has too much history behind it. heck, they just released a DVD on it a few m onths back and had a tournament on it. Mysterio shoudl win it, spoiling JBL's attempted retirement as champion.

HBK /.Taker - Taker's streak should not end. Furthermroe, HBK has been taking him down each and every time they do anything together. Taker should win in the end.

Orton / HHH - Similar to taker/ HBK, Orton has been taking Trips down each and every week. Not as badly as HBK has been doing it, but still quite a bit. Trips should win in the end, having one world title with a face, and having the "hero" defeat the "Villian". Orton should then beat Triple H in a rematch at Backlash.

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Old Apr 4, 2009, 09:17 PM #3240 of 3609
Looks like we have a new ROH world champion. Unsurprisingly, Nigel lost to Jerry Lynn. Nigel's biceps were both torn so it's no surprise although many fans (at least on the ROH message board) hated the idea of Lynn getting the title.

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Old Apr 4, 2009, 09:24 PM Local time: Apr 4, 2009, 09:24 PM #3241 of 3609
Diva's Battle Royal - Either Trish Stratus or Gail Kim should win. Trish defined the woman's division in the last decade and did a lot for the title. She retired as champion. She was OK as a heel, but really effective as a face and almost has gone the level of Sting (most don't / can't really boo her now). Gail Kim defined TNA's woman's division and could be the woman who defines it in the next decade.
Except that Gail Kim, I believe, is still an active member of TNA, despite being out of action for some months. However, I could be mistaken, as I don't even pay attention to the Knockouts division. Only reason I tune in to TNA is to see the war between the Main Event Mafia, Jeff Jarrett, Mick Foley, and Sting. After all, Sting was one of the 3 reasons I actually gave a rat's ass about WCW a decade and change ago.

And what is it exactly with everyone wanting Cena to turn Heel? He's pretty popular at this point in his career, and apparently helps with WWE sales, much like Triple H has been doing for the past couple years. Sure, maybe another Cena title run is not the best idea, but as long as he's doing well for the company as a whole, a heel turn just doesn't need to exist.

We've already got enough heels on the RAW brand as it is with Randy Orton, Cody Rhodes, Ted DiBiase, JBL, Jericho, and on occasion, Mike Knox. Nowadays, the face stack seems pretty stable as well with CM Punk, Cena, Kofi, Mysterio, and Michaels (I'm probably missing a couple of each. Lately, I've been passing out halfway through the shows). God knows what Kane is right now, as some love, some hate. He hasn't really done much since the whole Mysterio feud to prove whether he's face or heel. He's just come out, beat someone up, left.

And Santino, he's neither face or heel. He's just an idiot. You think he's a heel, but his antics lately have just made him a comic: splitting his groin trying to mock Melina, weird jokes about dating Beth Phoenix, and more recently, trying to get into the Diva Battle Royal at WrestleMania and losing horribly. I mean, shit, he set the new record for shortest time in the Royal Rumble this year. You wanna boo, but then you wind up laughing at him.


But, I guess, to each his own.

And as long as we're doing opinionated predictions and whatnot:

Diva Battle Royal - Trish is great, definitely noted as one of the greatest WWE Divas of ALL TIME. However, I heard that SUNNY was gonna be in this thing. Now, given she was never really "active" in the ring, but I think she was still pretty active in the business, being a manager for multiple tag teams, as well as Ron Simmons (Faarooq at the time). Frankly, I think the odds-on favor advantage is gonna shift between Trish and Sunny.

Rey Mysterio Vs. JBL - Agreeing with most here, Rey should win the title and keep it active. The IC title has been around for decades and has a great history, and it's a title that could possibly continue to build a history in the future. It's not a title that should be retired. JBL, well, that's another story. He's got his radio show he keeps bragging about that I've never heard, but don't care to listen to. He's got his "millions", despite the economic crisis.


Money In The Bank - Frankly, I don't know where to go with this one. You got some great candidates lined up here, like Christian, Kane, and CM Punk. Most of the other guys, I feel, are just there to provide extra "OOOOHHHHH!!!!" moments like we've been seeing in the past. Example to that: WM23 when Jeff jumped off a ladder in the ring landing on Edge on the outside of the ring laid across a ladder.

Frankly, if Glen Jacobs is considering retirement soon. I definitely think he should have one last run with a major title. Gonna go with Kane on this one.


Jericho Vs. Legends - This WrestleMania is a huge milestone for the WWE. You've got 3 legendary superstars who were part of the very first WM coming back for one final match. They should win. I don't care what anyone says. Jericho has been disgusting to watch since the Michaels incident last year. I have no interest in seeing him continue this onslaught of the people that paved the way. I personally don't think this is what they've performed for all those years.

Shit, I pray Jerry Lawler, and even Stone Cold get involved. Lawler's part of the history of the company, not to mention a Hall of Famer. And basically, you can't have a WrestleMania without Stone Cold. Fresh off HoF induction, Austin should come out and give Jericho a stunner or two.

Of course, this all goes on while the ref gets knocked out, unsurprisingly, by Jericho.


Undertaker Vs. Shawn Michaels - Well, I don't know how true or fake it is that Taker's contract states he CANNOT lose at WrestleMania, but frankly, I'm pulling for him retiring WITH an undefeated streak. Plus, it's true what they say. Taker has never beaten Michaels. This is a perfect opportunity to change that.


Randy Orton Vs. Triple H - Like Mortis said, it's "Hero" (Triple H) Vs. Villain (Orton). And at such a milestone as WM25, good should conquer evil (well, besides that whole Michaels/Undertaker thing). Orton is just as disgusting to watch as Jericho. Trips will take that shit home.


Carlito/Primo Vs. Miz/Morrison - Eh, whatever happens happens. I can't say I follow the stories pertaining to these 4 superstars, or the Bella sisters for that matter. The sisters will probably interfere, commencing a cat-fight, and then someone's gonna win. It's just practically gonna be a 15-minute intermission for the bigger matches.


Cena Vs. Big Show Vs. Edge - All right, it's pretty clear Cena does NOT have a thing for Vickie Guerrero. He said so himself. He blackmailed his way into the Triple Threat match, which, happened to be pretty funny. Frankly, a small part of me wants him to win the title, but then, like I said, it's not necessary. If Show wins it, well, Show wins it. If Edge wins it, well, one can only hope Christian wins the MITB and cashes it in, beats Edge (I'd rather not see them reunite), and runs off to RAW, since Trips will probably still be on SmackDown.

Frankly, if Edge or Show wins this match, I pray it's not the main event of WM25. Ending the show with a heel winning the last match just doesn't feel right. Shit's gotta end with a face.


Jeff Hardy Vs. Matt Hardy - Well, they're both high-risk takers, daredevils, and well-trained with a steel chair and a ladder. It'll be one hell of a match to watch. I made no winner opinions or predictions here.


Swagger's not putting his ECW title up, is he? No? Well, no harm, no foul. Nobody wants to watch him anyway.

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Old Apr 4, 2009, 10:04 PM #3242 of 3609
Except that Gail Kim, I believe, is still an active member of TNA, despite being out of action for some months.
Gail Kim was on Raw this past Monday as part of the 16-Diva Tag Match.

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Old Apr 5, 2009, 04:42 AM Local time: Apr 5, 2009, 02:42 AM #3243 of 3609
Yeah, Gail Kim was the first person to go from WWE, to TNA, back to WWE.

And as long as we're doing opinionated predictions and whatnot:

Diva Battle Royal - I wanna call that Victoria will win it. I mean it would be sick if Chyna came back but thats reaching out far. And Its cool that Molly Holly will be back.

Rey Mysterio Vs. JBL - Mysterio by Far. JBL, no disrespect to him, but I think he's too old now a days...I mean hes gotten a lot slower.


Money In The Bank - I'm thinking Kane or Christian. If it's Christian, I expect a new ECW champ sometime soon, if it's Kane, World Heavy Weight.

Jericho Vs. Legends - Legends will win. Why? The Dirtiest player in the game is going to have something to say about it. WOOOOOOOOO!

Undertaker Vs. Shawn Michaels - Undertaker. The streak is something that is pristine. Its something that everyone knows. And its something that everyone looks forward to at Wrestlemania. I think the WWE should have been smart and made this match the main event.


Randy Orton Vs. Triple H - Triple H. Theres no way orton is going to get the win in this match.


Carlito/Primo Vs. Miz/Morrison - Oh yeah...the WWE still has a tag team division. Carlito/Primo. Miz/Morrison need to go after singles gold again.

Cena Vs. Big Show Vs. Edge - Cena winning could create a very entertaining odd couple scenario with Cena and Vickie. WWE needs to be smart. Put the strap on Show, put Cena on Raw, and reunite Edge and Christian.


Jeff Hardy Vs. Matt Hardy - I think Jeff hardy will win. It'll be a great match either way.

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Old Apr 5, 2009, 01:39 PM #3244 of 3609
Actually, Christian beats Gail by a few weeks.

And actually, Shannon Moore beat Christian by a few years (he got released, became the "Prince of Punk" or something like that for a few weeks in TNA, then got rehired).

And don't forget about Jeff Hardy. My mind is foggy on whether he returned before or after Shannon Moore.

Also, don't forget about Vader, Goldust, Dusty Rhodes, Roddy Piper, Ricky Steamboat (well, he was a ref for a few big matches) as well.

Anyway, predictions in case mine weren't clear:
Tag Titles : Miz / Morrison, unfortunately.
Jeff Vs Matt: Matt Hardy
MITB: Christian
Diva's Battle Royale: Trish Stratus
taker/HBK: Undertaker
Edge/Cena/Show: Cena w/ a twist
Orton/HHH: HHH, Orton gets it next month.

Note: One rumor going around is Shane will join Orton, as he is a 3rd generation um, promoter, thereby screwing Trips out of the title. My guess is if he did that, Steph would do it too as she too is a 3rd gen promotor. I sincerely hope this isn't the case. The "McMahon's shocking screw the face" has been done over and over again, including Mania 16 and 17. I hope they let the angle run it's course, "McMahon-screwing-the-face" free and have Orton take the gold next month.

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And I guess this shows how much the tag titles mean to the WWE. That match has been moved to the pre-show.

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Oh, and two other matches:
Jericho Vs Legends - Hard to see all the legends losing to Jericho. I mean, you have the longest IC champ of all time and also Roddy Piper. Still, I could almost see Jericho winning, then Flair and "the Wrestler" punking him. Despite that...
Winner: Legends (Piper most likely) w/ Help from Mickey and Flair

JBL Vs Mysterio - JBL annouces retirement...only for Rey to ruin it by winning the IC title.
Winner: Rey Rey

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Old Apr 6, 2009, 06:34 PM #3245 of 3609
I finished WM25 a few hours ago. Overall it was a good show, but I felt it could have been better. Some of the endings to the matches left a bad aftertaste.

I also didn't see the pre-show, which apparently had the tag titles match. I'll have to check out who won that one later.

Tonight should be interesting to see what happens, but I'm really looking forward to next week with the draft lottery.

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Old Apr 6, 2009, 08:16 PM Local time: Apr 6, 2009, 03:16 PM #3246 of 3609
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Old Apr 6, 2009, 09:04 PM #3247 of 3609
Well, it looks like the "new era grand slam champion" idea for Punk may happen after all. And wow, Taker's eyes DO tell the whole story. I think only Kane has ever kicked out of a tombstone that had an immediately pinfall by Taker.

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Old Apr 6, 2009, 11:09 PM Local time: Apr 6, 2009, 09:09 PM #3248 of 3609
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Beautiful return for Batista.


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Watched Wrestlemania last night...and really WWE? Your booking was shit.

Wrestlemania..the grand spectacle of them all and no one really had any super sweet intros or anything.

I mean Taker vs. Michaels should have been the main event. And where were the Druids for taker and stuff? Instead he comes out of the ground?

And HHH breaking glass...weak.

I think Wrestlemania 25 was just a little bit of a letdown compared to some of the previous Wrestlemanias.

The biggest shining moment though was, without a doubt, Austin.

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Old Apr 7, 2009, 10:27 PM #3249 of 3609
Putting this in spoilers just in case but it's my thoughts on WM25:

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Money in the Bank overall was impressive. Shelton Benjamin and Kofi Kingston were freaking amazing in this event. I questioned Mark Henry being in there since he looked afraid to go up a ladder, but that one move where he shook Kofi off, caught him, and slammed him was most impressive. There was also that cocktease of Christian or Kane winning it, but CM Punk got it. Now really, why would you already have a 2-time winner now? I think it's a bit soon and hell I didn't see it happening. I think some people even booed when he won.

Then Kid Rock and the Diva's Battle Royal. Hold on a second...MiTB was the first match and this wasn't? That makes no sense at all. Anyway, I was disappointed that Trish and Lita weren't in there, but I know I heard Sunny's name mentioned. The ending was actually funny, but I hope this doesn't become a long term thing for Marella. Ugh.

Legends vs. Jericho, I had no idea it was an elimination match. As soon as I heard that announced, I knew Jericho was going to win it. Snuka and Piper did what they could and I applaud them for that, but Steamboat...DAMN! He had some freakin amazing stuff going for him. Too bad he didn't pull off the victory. Then Flair steps in and gets his butt kicked. Mickey Rourke gets in, pulls off a few jabs and then throws a knockout punch to Jericho. WTF...seriously, Flair could have taken Jericho. Because of this, Jericho isn't changing anytime soon. Dammit.

Oh, and gotta love how they tried to censor Piper when he badmouthed Jericho. They managed to cover up after he said "Mother" but they couldn't get all of it.

Jeff Hardy vs. Matt Hardy was a damn good match. I laughed when someone pulled out a Shop-Vac. This brother vs. brother match reminded me a lot of Owen vs. Bret back in Wrestlemania X.

IC title match was a joke, but then again Rey getting the strap won't draw any complaints from me. Not exactly what I had in mind for JBL leaving, but it worked. And seriously, Joker for Rey? When he first came out, I thought he was dressed like Doink the Clown.

The two title matches left a bad aftertaste in my mouth even though the outcomes were what I expected. The Cena/Show/Edge match was better, though...especially a couple of highlights. One being where Edge knocked Show through the guard railing. The other was Cena lifting Show and Edge at the same time in the FU (I refuse to call it the other name), Edge getting off and Cena delivering it to Show, then to Edge and getting the win. Also at the beginning all those Cenas coming out to Cena's old theme was pretty surprising.

Also, apparently a Triple Threat match means no DQ and no countouts. When the hell did this happen? I mean the countout I understand but the no DQ? I definitely missed something there.

LOL at Austin coming out in a tuxedo for the Hall of Fame 2009 class, going back, then coming back out on a 4-wheeler in his regular gear and having one final beer bash. Sucks that they kept saying this was the final time we'd see him.

Triple H vs. Orton was just...meh. I mean, you know he wants to destroy Orton but if he's DQ'ed or Counted Out he would lose the title. I haven't seen that kind of bullshit since the Steiner Brothers faced the Quebecers for the Tag Titles and those rules were in place (and the Quebecers won by DQ, so they got the titles). In the end, the ref got knocked out, the sledgehammer came into play, and HHH used it, a fury of fists, and then a pedigree to win it. This one should have been a hardcore match, but I guess they wanted to stick with the normal wrestling match for this one. After seeing Punk win, I was hoping Orton would beat HHH for the title and then you hear Punk's music play. Since Orton cost Punk the title back in October, Punk could've returned the favor at WM25.

Oh, and the TRUE MAIN EVENT was HBK vs. Taker. HBK had an epic intro and although Taker didn't have his druids with him, he really didn't need it since his intro is already epic enough. Near the end of the match Lawler commented on how the fans were cheering "This is awesome". He agreed, and dammit I agreed. No other match has gotten my heart racing every time there was a pin or submission hold like that one did. It was a damn awesome match and thankfully it ended with Taker getting the win. After this match ended, the rest of Mania was a bore. At least the 2nd half matched the excitement of the first half this time, but it sucks that none of the championship matches were more exciting than the others...not even the Diva Battle Royal...okay, I won't go THAT far.


As for Raw last night...

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Oh lord, why did they put Vickie as the GM of Raw? Why in the holy hell...you know what, I just have to hope that either A. Edge stays on Smackdown after the draft and she'll follow or B. Vickie gets drafted to Smackdown. I really don't want to put up with her shit every Monday night.

Batista returning was awesome, but I get the feeling he's going to cost HHH the title at Backlash and join with Legacy. Either that, or he's going to be HHH's next opponent for the title at the next PPV. Whatever the case, I think Orton will get the title and CM Punk will take it from him because of what happened last October when Orton cost CM Punk the title.

As for the draft, definitely looking forward to seeing who comes and goes next week. Hopefully they don't take away some of my favorites and put them on Smackdown!


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Old Apr 8, 2009, 12:35 AM Local time: Apr 8, 2009, 12:35 AM #3250 of 3609
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Dave BOREtista. Get out.

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