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[Movie] The Dark Knight (Batman Begins Sequel)
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Old Jul 19, 2008, 01:06 AM #251 of 397
I just saw the Dark Knight(well technically I saw it yesterday) and it managed to exceed my already high expectations. As with most people, I felt that Ledger was absolutely amazing as the Joker. He was everything the Joker should be, funny, menacing, and creepy as well. There were several times during the movie where he made me squirm in my seat. Seriously everyone should go and see this movie.

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Old Jul 19, 2008, 01:34 AM #252 of 397
Any one want to take a guess if we will see Two face in future Movies?

On a side note I've come to realize there is no real comparing the different versions. The original Series started out goofy in the 60's and became more serious in the 90's despite being somewhat campy after Michael Keaton left.

That was great for the 90's.. The here and now 2000's demand a more sinister and serious version, I must say so far both Batman Begins and The Dark Knight have delivered...


I don't think Jack Nicolson could have pulled it off in this version nor Heath leger pulled it off in the 90's version..

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Old Jul 19, 2008, 02:08 AM #253 of 397
i just catch the movie and hour ago, in imax, it was marvelous, never felt so inside in a movie like this time. ill catch it on a normal theather on next week.
now for the movie, i like it a lot, and it set the standart bar really, really high for comic book movies, my god the joker was so convencing, scary and maniopulator, quite impressive.
im pleased with the movie. enjoy it alot, the 2 hours waiting time in line was really worth it.

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Old Jul 19, 2008, 03:33 AM #254 of 397
The part where he destroys the Riddler's stupid TV gizmo at the end of the movie.
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Eh...I know what part you mean..but...that wasn't technically what I was saying. Those eyes were more radar like, where as what I was saying was full on white. The concept was the same-ish, but they literally made white eyes for this film, which is such a cool nod to the comic.


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Old Jul 19, 2008, 03:35 AM Local time: Jul 19, 2008, 12:35 AM #255 of 397
Anyone notice Batgirl? Or at least the lack of. Like Gordon's daughter is never really shown. She doesn't have a speaking role either. I guess it's a nod towards Batgirl? Well very implicitly.

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Old Jul 19, 2008, 02:46 PM Local time: Jul 19, 2008, 11:46 AM #256 of 397
Anyone notice Batgirl? Or at least the lack of. Like Gordon's daughter is never really shown. She doesn't have a speaking role either. I guess it's a nod towards Batgirl? Well very implicitly.
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Old Jul 19, 2008, 02:55 PM Local time: Jul 19, 2008, 12:55 PM #257 of 397
I'd rather the Batfamily never be involved if they aren't willing to work the idea of Robin into these films.

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Old Jul 19, 2008, 07:33 PM Local time: Jul 19, 2008, 04:33 PM #258 of 397
I wouldn't have complained if they introduced Robin in this one, only to be killed by the Joker halfway through.

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Old Jul 19, 2008, 08:47 PM #259 of 397
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What i'm hoping is that...IF they make a sequel to this (even though, they left it just fine as being the last Batman film for now), I'm hoping they use...the Knightfall arc they had in the 90s with the comics. I think that could work out real well in this Gotham, this Batman. To see Bane cripple Batman...and have someone else take on his mantle...I think could work on the big screen. Anyone else agree?


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Old Jul 19, 2008, 09:05 PM #260 of 397
Why would you have someone other than Bale take over now that he's identified with the character?

Also, Bale has offically stated that if they introduce Robin, he's not doing future movies.

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Old Jul 19, 2008, 10:43 PM #261 of 397
Not to take the mantle forever [remember Knightquest?], but to show the 'limits' of Bruce, the very thing Alfred warned him about in this new film. Plus, I wouldn't want a Robin either, so I think they could adapt without one.

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Old Jul 19, 2008, 10:58 PM #262 of 397
Making a feature-length Batman film where the major plot thread is "Batman is hurt and can't do a goddamn thing" isn't exactly compelling. Bane is probably one of the easier villains to bring to the screen, but the rest of the Knightfall arc is just an endless series of awkward winces.

The only member of the extended bat-family that really fits into the films thematically is possibly the Cassandra Cain Batgirl. Anything else would just drive the films into the same painfully-campy ground as the last series.

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Old Jul 20, 2008, 12:09 AM #263 of 397
Making a feature-length Batman film where the major plot thread is "Batman is hurt and can't do a goddamn thing" isn't exactly compelling. Bane is probably one of the easier villains to bring to the screen, but the rest of the Knightfall arc is just an endless series of awkward winces.
This is true. Nueva-Batman ended up just being a lot of stupid thought-boxes and him talking about "The System" over and over like Gollum.

The only member of the extended bat-family that really fits into the films thematically is possibly the Cassandra Cain Batgirl. Anything else would just drive the films into the same painfully-campy ground as the last series.
I think a Batgirl story could be done if its handled correctly. It would be very hard to do, but the cartoon series did it very well (mostly because it was sparingly done until the WB season)

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Old Jul 20, 2008, 12:13 AM #264 of 397
Making a feature-length Batman film where the major plot thread is "Batman is hurt and can't do a goddamn thing" isn't exactly compelling. Bane is probably one of the easier villains to bring to the screen, but the rest of the Knightfall arc is just an endless series of awkward winces.

The only member of the extended bat-family that really fits into the films thematically is possibly the Cassandra Cain Batgirl. Anything else would just drive the films into the same painfully-campy ground as the last series.

Hmm you think so? I dont know man...I think it would be interesting to see how far Nolan can take his Batman against a villain such as Bane. As you said, it would be easy to bring him to the screen, and I think Nolan could definitely do it And I agree to NOT bring an entire arc in, but obviously the screenwriters of these films were inspired by the arcs of the past...why not get inspired with that arc.

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It would make sense, because Batman is now being hunted and what better than to let out Bane to hunt him down, and perhaps...instead of Azreal or someone else taking on the mantle of the Bat, Bruce can take himself to his absolute limits physically and even mentally [try to push his 'No Kill' rule to the absolute limit] and fight Bane with a new suit to combat such a Titan.


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Old Jul 20, 2008, 12:17 AM #265 of 397
Saw the movie and thought it was awesome, honestly way too much hype over it, but I still liked it. Obviously Joker stole the show since it was the rise of a new villain in which Gotham has never seen before but didn't care so much for batman. Usually in a super hero flick the main character is out of costume for most of the film but for this one, since they weren't using cgi they thought "Lets milk the batman as much as we can" which is good because it shows the good/harm that batman does but I would have liked to have seen more other than "Oh damn I'm fucking things up now"

I agree with some of the things that lehah said
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The intro robbing scene which I really like since it showed the first of the jokers awesome plans but still, the "Jokers" were bored enough robbing a bank that they needed to talk about their boss and how weird he is. Your robbing a bank, get some adrenaline going and pay attention.

Also I'm not sure about everyone else but it's no wonder that gotham is such a breeding place for crime, the gotham police department is so damn gullible and stupid with their one liners. Two in specific when the jokers are chasing down harvey dent and joker is firing bullets and rockets at them and one of them say "I didn't sign up for this" or something along those lines. I can understand trying to put humor into the movie but that doesn't work when lines like those are not only cliche but not funny at all. It's like I heard one of the Flinstone instruments say "Eh It's a living" and even then that might have been funnier.
Oh and there's also another guy that says something along the lines of "Thats not good!" ~_~

oops EDIT: I was corrected on the lines. fixed


Anyways, the joker's scenes are the best. I could have probably been satisfied with the movie by just watching his scenes alone. Not that the other scenes were bad, I'm just a fan of the joker.

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Old Jul 20, 2008, 09:54 PM 2 #266 of 397
Saw it for the second time today, and man, it's absolutely amazing. It's not often that I like a movie so much that I go right back and see it again, and what's crazy is that I feel like I could see it again tomorrow and still enjoy it a lot.

As for Heath Ledger, he is The Joker. He did a marvelous job. He's a shoo-in for a Best Actor nom, if not the award itself.

I loved Iron Man, but I have to say The Dark Knight tops that. Awesome that we got two fantastic superhero movies already this year.

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Old Jul 20, 2008, 09:57 PM Local time: Jul 20, 2008, 08:57 PM 1 #267 of 397
As for Heath Ledger, he is The Joker. He did a marvelous job. He's a shoo-in for a Best Actor nom, if not the award itself.
Translation: "I know nothing about films, or how they work, but I'll make sweeping comments anyway."

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Old Jul 20, 2008, 09:58 PM #268 of 397
Please explain to me what's so wrong with that statement.

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Old Jul 20, 2008, 10:06 PM Local time: Jul 20, 2008, 07:06 PM #269 of 397
You like things too much. That makes you uncool.

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Old Jul 20, 2008, 10:12 PM 2 #270 of 397
You like things too much. That makes you uncool.
No, the problem is that the statement *is* a sweeping one by design.

The year isn't over yet and we're already saying who should be nominated for what? Have you or I or anyone else here seen every movie to come out for 2008? Of course not - we're half-way done, lets see what else there is before everyone agrees to blow each other over a fucking sympathy vote because the fucker is dead.

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Old Jul 20, 2008, 10:13 PM Local time: Jul 20, 2008, 09:13 PM #271 of 397
Yeah, that's it. It's certainly not that there is no way in hell Heath will get an Oscar for playing a fake-crazy (read: not even remotely realistic) person in a comic book movie. It won't happen. The academy never comes close to this kind of choice.

Was he good? Yes. Very. Will he win an Oscar? No chance in hell. Will he get a nomination? Almost assuredly no.

Liking things to the point of having no logic at all? That's a problem, yes.

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Old Jul 20, 2008, 10:16 PM #272 of 397
You like things too much. That makes you uncool.
You're wrong. That makes you unsmart.

Also, does anyone else see the complete fallacy in declaring an actor in a comic book movie the winner of an award based on, among other things, 5 months of movies that haven't come out yet?

God damnit, apparently Deni does. Beaten to it.

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Old Jul 20, 2008, 10:21 PM Local time: Jul 20, 2008, 07:21 PM 2 #273 of 397
Yeah dont post your opinions about the movie or actor anymore, that is, unless you are a film school grad or know the ins and outs of hollywood.

What a bunch of a-holes.

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Old Jul 20, 2008, 10:39 PM #274 of 397
Obviously I haven't seen every movie that's come out, and like you said, there are plenty more to come this year. I'm just saying that based on this performance, I would think he would get a nom for best actor. The majority of the people voting are actors, correct? Maybe I'm just cynical, but I have to believe his death will bring him votes.

Yeah, that's it. It's certainly not that there is no way in hell Heath will get an Oscar for playing a fake-crazy (read: not even remotely realistic) person in a comic book movie.
Not realistic as far as crazy Joker-like people go? Judging him based on that seems kind of silly to me.

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It won't happen. The academy never comes close to this kind of choice.
I'm not very familiar with the academy's voting history. I was just assuming that based on his amazing performance + his death, he would get the nod. But if they don't go for stuff like this, then forget it.

EDIT: Should have said Best Supporting Actor.

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Old Jul 20, 2008, 10:58 PM #275 of 397
Yeah dont post your opinions about the movie or actor anymore, that is, unless you are a film school grad or know the ins and outs of hollywood.

What a bunch of a-holes.
No, just don't go declaring something the winner of an award before you see all the options. How are you to know that there won't be 5 performances even more brilliant than Heath Ledger's?

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As for Heath Ledger, he is The Joker. He did a marvelous job. He's a shoo-in for a Best Actor nom, if not the award itself.
The bolded part is opinion, the rest of it is attempting to predict the future. Difference.

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