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Ron Paul and state powers
I've been doing a little research on Ron Paul, and he seems like a great candidate.
He's a strong libertarianist, who sticks by the constitution and thinks objectively. The only thing I'm not sure if I agree with is his idea on state law. He wants to give a lot of power to the states. Couldn't that be bad? Could the states grow apart, or change so much that their needs and interests might be completely different? Maybe even in the future leading to a civil war, or a country of 50 very different states, making them incomparable. I mean, if the states had the power, that means they can be so different. Like different countries even. I don't know much about politics, and I'm not here to flame or anything, I just want some experienced advice. Thank you Jam it back in, in the dark. |
It's good for some things, bad for most things. Specifically Paul has proposed the We The People Act, which would bar Federal courts from hearing cases regarding the free association clause of the First Amendment.
I hope you'll understand what's wrong with that. There's nowhere I can't reach. |
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I don't really understand. I'm sorry. the first amendment is freedom of speech (and basically individuality), but what is the free association clause?
This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
Frankly, I'm surprised by this. Protection of broad first amendment rights is, in a manner of speaking, a clearly enumerated power of the Federal Government and is in conflict with his declared Constitutionalist values. I believe the justification of this is that rulings of Federal Courts often export liberal and personal interpretations of First Amendment issues, and this conflicts with regional beliefs and understandings on these rights. Basically Washington D.C. imposes their view of things on the entire country. In a way, the spirit of the bill seems to be granting more regional autonomy, and making politics surrounding such issues more regional, and thus more accessible to the general public in each of their states. It may also be a nod to the anti-abortion groups, as it would effectively make Roe V Wade non-binding on all states. How ya doing, buddy? |
We the People Act: "If made law, the Act would forbid federal courts (including the Supreme Court) from hearing cases on subjects such as the display of religious text and imagery on government property, abortion, sexual practices, and same-sex marriage, unless those cases were a challenge to the constitutionality of the laws in question. It would also make federal court decisions on those subjects non-binding as precedent in state courts." What 14th Amendment?
I was speaking idiomatically.
Last edited by Bradylama; Dec 11, 2007 at 07:27 PM.
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I think that's grossly overestimating the threats to the political survival of the United States. But if I had a time machine and went back to the 1980's and told everyone the Soviet Union was going to collapse I'd get laughed back into the future. What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
lol @ state courts interpreting the federal constitution with no recourse if they get it wrong
What is this, Iraq? FELIPE NO
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Therefore, you might as well argue that Ron Paul is a great candidate because he is mortal, and like the rest of us needs nutrients to survive. That, furthermore, we may be rest assured that he is as susceptible to radiation poisoning as the average law-abiding man and that he is not, in fact, a reptoid. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
(or at the very least, whole states feel that the imposition of certain federal rulings have overstepped its bounds) Or is it just assumed that they always get it right? Jam it back in, in the dark. |
It is assumed the federal courts are in the best position to interpret federal law, yes.
Further, federal law is a blanket upon all states, so why shouldn't the interpretation of that law be a blanketed also? If there is a federal law, and you move from Arizona to California, you should feel safe that not changing your behavior one iota means that you won't be now in violation of something you previously were not. If not, what is the point of having federal law at all? How ya doing, buddy?
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Voting for Ron Paul would be a catch 22. On one hand, he'd abolish the CIA, stop the inane "war on drugs', and bring out troops home from Iraq. On the other hand, he's against Roe v Wade.
I may have to vote for him anyways considering that the rest of the politicians are just apart of the same bullshit we've had for the past several years. As for giving the states more powers, I'm all for that. Having one federal law supercede state law is ridiculous IMO. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
Nobody (sane) would argue that it's cool for the DEA to raid medical marijuana facilities, but think about your blanket statements, please. EDIT: FDA, DEA, same thing right? lol Most amazing jew boots
Last edited by Bradylama; Dec 12, 2007 at 05:04 PM.
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Yeah lets amend away the Supremacy Clause. That's what this country needs.
I think Arizona should start taxing the USPS and the FBI. I was speaking idiomatically.
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Ron Paul will allow the progressive, educated, blue states to raise their state taxes and provide public healthcare.
He's my preferred Republican even if he is a senile racist. What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
Blue States can already do that if enough voters push for it.
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But let's face it, federal taxes are too high for states to ever raise their taxes enough to afford it.
What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
States pay federal taxes?
Jam it back in, in the dark. |
There's nowhere I can't reach. |
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And, for the record, Delaware also has no sales tax, but I think they make it up on taxing all of the corporations that are based there since there is a disproportionate number located there. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
The bottom line is that states will raise taxes (they'll have to anyway -- because of falling property tax revenue) or they will have to cut current spending. To just cover preexisting obligations. I was speaking idiomatically. |
My point was agreeing with NP that states can raise taxes to whatever the way.
I don't think there's anything we're actually disagreeing on here. What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
Property taxes are still the one (if not the most) important source of revenue for state (and local) governments. So a housing "slump" like the one the US is in is bound to have serious repercussions on tax revenue. I don't know how states are going to raise more revenue to pay for more obligations like public health-care when they'll be contending with shortfalls as it is. If the blue (or red) states raise taxes too much too fast, they won't remain blue-controlled for very long. Not that I mind all that much. Just pointing out what's at stake. FELIPE NO |
What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
no, the reason why people are against Ron Paul as a candidate is because if you are not, you expose yourself as a ridiculous, histronic high school faggot. Also he's a huge racist and everyone knows it. Jam it back in, in the dark. |