[Movie] LOST

I think everyone's forgetting the real question; Did Henry push the button in time, or did he let it go off (thus, while not causing any noticible changes, may warrant some future repurcutions)?

I was convinced Henry wasn't who he said he was the moment he "memorized" the numbers as fast as he did. He clearly knows about them. Whether he knows about everything concerning the hatch, though, remains to be seen.

I've been a giant fan of this show the moment it premiered. It is literally the only live program I make sure to catch every week. I own the DVD boxset for season 1 as well.

So why haven't I joined in this thread? I didn't want to get too caught up in all the rumors posted around the net. Even if the majority turn out false, there's always the chance a couple of them could be legit. And this is a show I honestly refuse to spoil in any shape or form. But, it turns out that guessing what could happen next is part of the fun, so consider me subscribed.

I have plenty of goods and bads about Season 2, but the most major complaint I had was with Anna Lucia. It was a big twist, having her accidently kill Shannon, but it would have worked better if the writers hadn't established her as such an unlikeable bitch (and ironically, Shannon had evolved past that previous title). I wanted Sayid to kill her.

The conversation between her and Sayid in the previous episode did redeem her somewhat. She's still guilt-ridden over what she did, like she should be, but Sayid's reasoning for forgiving her (or at least tolerating her) helped bring a sense of closure to the whole thing. I still wouldn't trust her with a gun though.

Also, I'm very mixed on what they're doing with Charlie. Having him fall under a downward spiral that could lead to further betrayals is interesting (moreso since he still hasn't gotten back to using, at least as far as we know). But I always viewed Charlie as the "little buddy" of the group, even though we still have Hurly for that. The real problem I have is that the writers once mentioned that Charlie was the last person they would get rid of, considering his popularity (and LOTR fame). The Evil Charlie angle loses a little steam if he's never going to die from it. Personally, I hope he'll somehow be able to redeem himself, though if anyone ever finds out he was involved in Sun's attack, then it's game over for Charlie.

Finally, while it's never been debated here, I'd like to toss the question on who everyone thinks is the best fighter in the group. My money goes to Sayid, especially the way he owned Eko after Shannon's death.

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He might've fallen on purpose and faked being unconscious, in order to let the timer reach the critical point. I'm willing to bet he deliberately let the timer go down, or he inputted a different sequence, like someone else said.

About going back for Locke, I wouldn't say it's because he actually wanted to help him, rather like with the other....Others, he was trying to establish trust among the group so he could settle in and monitor them.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

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I like how dumb I've been at figuring out the acronyms. I couldn't even figure out AH, and now that JazzFlight mentions DeGroot, I feel even dumber. I forget who DeGroot is supposed to be, though, but I remember his name being significant.

Seconded. I don't have a clue what names he's referring to. Good thing I have the Season 1 Boxset. I need to start watching it more.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I'm hoping that by the end of Season 2, the Hatch will either explode, or shuts out anyone from entering. The characters are having it far easier than I'd like with the indoor plumbing, boxed food, and soft beds. I like my island inhabitants smelly and unkempt.

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.....Wow. Dave almost had me going there for a minute.

Only for a minute of course. After all, what in the hell would Sun and Jin represent in Hurley's psyche?

I do wish the show didn't try to play up the obvious revelation about Dave with all the music and such. I mean, DUH. It would've been better if they kept you wondering if Dave really was real.

While I'm sure Henry was being truthful about not pushing the buttons, and about "him", I'm also certain he's acting more scared than he actually is.

Watching Hurley go E. Honda on Sawyer was the highlight, especially when he repeated all the names Sawyer gave him (on that note, Sawyer really needs to quit with the pet names for every single person. It got old a whole season ago).

Finally, Hurley should've just given all that food he stored to the people in the island. What a waste to just throw it all aside from that.

Finally, I think Eko might be the one to help bring Charlie back toward the path of redemption.

Also, the episode went on a little longer than usual, ending about five minutes later. I have to wait until South Park repeates later in order to catch it. Word of warning for those who might be taping this.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I thought this episode was very well done. I guess it all depends how interested you are in Hurley's character. I knew the guy was a whale, but I didn't think his weight could actually kill someone. :doh:

And I'm going to take a guess and say that Eko is building a confessional. I notice he's not very talky when it comes to religious things.

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Also he ruins his own premise with the idea that the whole show is Hurley's dream. Were the writers even trying to fool us or what.

I think they were just trying to dispell a common theory.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Actually, just because all the secrets of the island are revealed doesn't mean the show should end. They could always focus on the survival aspect of the show. Even if they know what's going on, they still need to find a way off the island.

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True, but I don't think they could do that for too many episodes (and actually have viewers) unless those eps are really good.

Actually, it depends if the plot twists itself have any extra layers to it that would warrant continued viewing. For example, let's say in some other show, the major plot twist was discovering a bomb. The next episode would be just as interesting as you see how the main character disarms that bomb.

Same idea for Lost. They could reveal the twists, and then we could see how the characters handle the newfound revelation, or the repurcutions it could bring.

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Ultimately, this Hurley episode was to poke fun at the lame cliche twist of "the entire show/movie is all in one character's dream." It's essentially the worst blunder you can pull as a writer, unless it's masterfully pulled off (see "Occurence at Owl Creek Bridge" or "Jacob's Ladder". Bad examples are St. Elsewhere's ending and the season of Dallas that ended up being just a dream).

Don't forget the movie "Identity". I find the whole "everyone is in the main character's head" angle very lame for a thriller. You completely lose interest in any of the characters living or not since none of them are real to begin with.

Then there's High Tension, which simply made no sense when you use logic (if she was the killer, how did she manage to smuggle in that huge van when she was in someone else's car?).

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So you're saying you wouldn't mind the "everyone is a figment of one character's psyche" twist for Lost?

The thing about Identity is that it's primarily a thriller first. And it's the job of a thriller to create tension for the audience; we watch in amazement because we care about the characters' survival, since it is a genre where no one, not even children, are safe from being killed off.

But once the movie reveals that none of the characters are real to begin with, then any tension or sympathy is completely gone. We're no longer watching characters struggle to live, we're watching a fat guy struggle with his inner demons. In a drama like A Beautiful Mind, it works, but for a thriller, it completely cheapens the fear and tension that the movie was supposed to deliver in the first place.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

For the record, I didn't think the movie was bad, even with the revelation. I just feel that the twist completely destroys any chances of a second viewing, unlike something like The Sixth Sense or Fight Club, where you can still have fun watching it again with the knowledge you gained from the ending. Identity fails to do this because the characters and the setting are all in "closed space", as it were.

Now if the characters actuallly "existed" in a real world inhabited with real people, it would've been more interesting.

Now to get back on topic, what Jack is going to attempt (or what it appears he's going to attempt) is going to be without a doubt the most boneheaded plan yet. You think it would be obvious to him that The Others aren't going to give in to a single demand of his, even if he has one of their own (and we still aren't sure of that) hostage. If anything The Others will try to kill Henry as soon as possible so to avoid letting any secrets slip.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Jin ALMOST killed someone. Then tried to drown Micheal.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Couple of early comments.

1. I've always noticed how cool-headed Rose is, but after seeing her side by side with her realist husband, I now see that she's always been WAY too calm about their current situation. Either she has no interest going back to her life, like Locke, or maybe there's more to it....

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Well...that would explain her cool disposition.

2. Jack continues to be an idiot. He's going off to do this exchange, and decides to bring someone along, and it's Kate. Not Sayid, not Sawyer, the guy with the freaking guns, but KATE.

And I'm a firm believer that false hope is always better than no hope at all.

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It's not like there's a cure for death, is there?

I wasn't surprised at all when Micheal appeared like that. The second I heard the rustling, I imagined him.

But, I will take a guess in that Micheal is leading the group into a trap. The Others are probably forcing him to betray the group in exchange for Walt.

I still don't get why everyone didn't want to help Bernard with the sign. Even if it proved futile, it's still better than not trying anything at all. This episode kind of sent a bad message, saying "lie back and accept it."

It also made me think that perhaps, gradually, no one will want to leave the island. It seems everyone has problems in the real world that they aren't willing to return to.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Again, I stand by my claim that most of the characters now have no real reason to leave the island. Each one has gained something since they arrived.

Lock: Can walk now. Is useful.

Rose: Cured of her disease.

Bernard: Has a wife that won't die in a year.

Jin: Can now have kids.

Sun: Is away from her Yakuza father.

Kate: Is away from the law.

Ana Lucia: Also hiding from the law (maybe).

Sawyer: Can live in self-punishment/isolation.

Hurley: Now has a girlfriend (granted she's psycho, but beggars can't be choosers).

Charlie: Finding faith; caring for Claire and Aaron (or at least he DID).

Eko: Giving faith.

Claire: Can raise her baby.

Michael: Gets to spend time with Walt.

Walt: Vice versa.

Seems everyone is happier since they landed in the island. About the only people who still seem to want to leave are Jack and Sayid.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Just because they're planning 5 seasons now doesn't mean they'll end up doing it in the long run. Ratings determine a show's lifespan. Perhaps if Season 2's ratings slip or if the writers get enough criticisms, they'll cut the seasons down and start adding certain plot twists earlier. I say don't stress too much if the show can stay fresh for 5 seasons. Evaluate things as they happen now, not in the future.

FELIPE NO

Crap, Aaron, that's right. Fixed.

And of course Micheal wants to get his son off the island, but he hasn't really realized yet that he's been able to spend more time with him on the island then he ever could before.

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Was that Kate's mom? Jack and Kate= Star Wars all over again?

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"She's dead" means only one of them could be out. Going to have to wait til next week.

And I'm sure Micheal is being blackmailed. He clearly didn't enjoy what he did.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I'd say the odds are in favor of Ana dying, since we still need to know why Libby was institutionalized and why she has a thing for Hurley (assuming the answer is something above "she's insane").

I hated Ana Lucia when she first appeared and killed Shanon, but I began to tolerate her over time, since she was one of the few characters to be legitametly complex. But I think now's the right time to kill her off, since her story has been pretty much told in full. Keeping her around any longer would just make her "the angry bitch". Plus I wouldn't want them to start an on/off relationship with Sawyer. That was a one-time deal, so let's leave it at that.

How ya doing, buddy?

How come no one is discussing Jack's possible half-sister? Was that woman his father was talking to Kate's mom? I think she only showed up in one episode, but that kind of looked like her. But didn't Kate already talk with her real father (an army general or something)?

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I suppose next week's flashbacks will focus on Micheal's encounter with the Others.

Keep in mind, those are a set of flashbacks I'll be looking forward to. As for whether the info he gave to Jack was false, I believe he was partly lying. The bit about tents and an extra hatch are likely true, the part about them being lightly armed and consisting mostly of women are not.

How ya doing, buddy?

Well, that part's clear. But has that woman appeared in any episodes before?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Probably wants to see if anything holds his interest, so he won't be disappointed again.

I was willing to aggree with some of the complaints for this season, but now I think people are just being picky. The newest episode was very enjoyable. There was something creepy about being thrown smack dab in the middle of the Others' headquaters (?), and the episode was just full of fanservice (as in hints). Makes you wonder how many of the Others shown in the background play any importance, or the cryptic remarks given by Walt and Ms. Clu (clue? klu?).

I especially liked how Sayid was able to deduce that Michael was going to betray them just by looking at him. If there's one thing I hope they never change, is making Sayid any less cool. He's probably the one and only character who has it all together.

I also wonder what'll happen to Charlie next, now that Eko has moved past the church idea. Throwing away the statues seems like a good sign that he'll be heading back to the path of light, but if anyone ever finds out that he schemed with Sawyer during that Sun attack...

Anyway, next week can't come soon enough. I just hope the first hour isn't full of recaps like last season's finale was.

FELIPE NO

The more I keep telling myself this isn't going to happen, the more it starts to become reality.

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Dear merciful God, please don't let this happen.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I'm just glad the hatch is now destroyed. It was bugging me the way everyone was living comfortably with the endless amounts of food, air conditioning, music, laundry, and so on. I hope Season 3 focuses purely on survival; I want to see these guys struggling for food and getting dirty.

Why hasn't anyone mentioned the giant bird? That didn't look like anything that exists now.

"Did that bird just say my name?"

Jam it back in, in the dark.