What are you doing against Global Warming

penn & teller did a Bullshit! episode on recycling. how it's bullshit, and all. Shouldn't be impossible to find on the web.

personally, i do nothing to stop this global warming, cause it's a force that can't be stopped , nor is it a force we humans created. I find it humorous and saddening that people actually are conceded enough to believe this race of creatures have any impact on the planet whatsoever. do you know how impossibly hard it would be to actually destroy all life on the planet? it would take a collected, willful effort of everyone. EVERYONE. devoting everyday of their lives to creating a wasteland.

listen, go recycle, drive a prius, ride a bike to work, i don't care. if it makes you feel better about life, great. But nobody likes an evangelist, and since the planet's not in any danger (hell, higher CO2 means plants are actually thriving) please don't get angry at those of us who don't feel like changing our lives to suit your paranoia.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

okay, don't remember saying anything about nukes or the quintessential "little red button"...but yeah, Brady's got the point. not even a crap load of nukes would completely destroy life on the planet. Maybe human life, but the planet will still keep ticking.

a rather big dent in the shape of things wouldn't effect the planet, it would only effect us. So i guess my beef is, if you're trying to save something, save yourself.

jesus, that sounded ominous.

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Originally Posted by Token

If a group of Japanese whale hunters can drive a species into near existence...

what are they, inverse whale hunters? when they kill whales to two new ones crop up in it's place?

okay, there are over a few million species on the planet. if some whales and tigers get killed off, you know what will happen? nothing. this is called equilibrium. the ecosystem will balance itself without that specie. Dodo's went extinct. the world kept going. ecosystems aren't that precarious. just finely tuned. you take out a section of an ecosystem, it'll just readjust itself and keep going.

humans can't destroy life on the planet. we are not that powerful. we are not that important.

and just because i can make lifestyle changes, i don't want to. and i'm not going to. not to be stubborn, but because i just simply don't have any motivation to do so. And there's the added bonus of upsetting treehuggers.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Dear Token,

What in god's name are you blathering about?

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Whinehurst.

P.S. I am of the mind that all these hardcore environmentalists who are trying so hard to preserve the ecological status quo in the name of Mother Nature don't realize that Mother Nature has no need for ecological status quo. Mother Nature doesn't care if an ecosystem changes or not. Mother Nature's an uncaring bitch who'll kill a few hundred thousand living creatures with a hurricane and not even apologize. Nature's whole deal is to adapt to change.

And just because it might adapt an ecosystem that doesn't support humans, that doesn't mean it'll be a system that doesn't support life. My point is you can't change the fucking environment. You can't. Ever. It's gonna do what it's gonna do weather you like it or not. You can go cry to high heaven about the benefits of recycling pig shit, but in the end it won't do shit.

We are powerless to manipulate this planet. we are at the whim of nature. deal with it.

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I don't, and i don't think anyone else, want to give the impression that i'm actually trying to shit on the planet. i'm actually all for renewable/ ecofriendly energy sources. I'd be happy to see nuclear power brought back (which is remarkable safe and clean if handled properly), or in lieu of that i'd like to see wind farms start popping up. If i could afford to buy a car i'd get a hybrid or a diesel engine for biofuel.

But i'm for these things not because i want to save the planet, but because they all have that "the-future-is-now" vibe to me. And that's always cool.

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ramoth, nobody's making an argument against energy conservation and renewable energy. we're not Eco-Villains. We're just saying this doom-and-gloom attitude about the planet withering away if we don't act fast is bullshit.

and if you're going to demand people present solid evidence of their perspective, you gotta ante up first. that's how people make intelligent arguments.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

So, fair enough ramoth. as i said, i'm all for switching to alternate energy sources; nuclear, wind, puppy dog farts - whatever power companies want to come up with. Thought i don't have much say in what power companies use to make power.

Cutting to the chase, we're talking about cars here (at least that's the first thought on peoples' mind) and as it stands there's not a whole lot that can easily replace gasoline. First you need an alternate energy source that can (inexpensively) completely take it's place. Nothing like that exists. Or if you want to make a fuel out of lollipops and wishful thinking then you gotta have cars that run on it, which no one will buy until people start making lollipop gas, which no one will make until people use it - which is a catch 22.

I have to say labeling this as an "urgent priority" and having people respond in kind will only lead to more short-sighted decisions; you know, kludge fixes and band-aids. Not the long term, efficient, elegant solution we need. And since this global-warming hype has only been around since...El Nino, then we can't expect to see any workable solutions for another several years. Until then, we actually have enough oil.

Also: if it were widely accepted that global warming were linked to mankind's actions, then it wouldn't be a controversial subject. I submit the existence of this very thread as evidence of that.

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as far as i am aware, in North Carolina, you get Duke Power. End of story. If there were alternatives, i'd look into it...but i don't think there are.

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