Outrage Over "Nigger Brown" Couch

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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa...whoa. Hold the phone. Just noticed something here. Is this chick Canadian? Cause, the story's from Toronto. Now, I'm no expert, but the Canadians didn't have slaves. So, like, that whole, "Nigger" issue, I'm thinking, you know, since it's really from the American South, can it really be a big deal for a Canadian black person? Does it have the same connotations? Do English black people, like black people in Britain, get offended by the word "Nigger"? Really?

Also, Sonic 3, it's up-down-left-right, up-down-left-right till you hear the "ding', then you do A+C (i think it's A+C, might be all three...)

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Originally Posted by Merv

Wow, dumb people are motherfucking duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumb.

You should learn how racism works and why it's such a touchy issue.

well, Merv, instead of being useless and just calling me and Sonic 3 dumb (fyi, you spelled it wrong, you've got 76 extra U's and a space in there for some reason), you might make a simple statement to exhibit what we might be misunderstanding about the issue of racism in America... and Canada; something to help explain why we might be incorrect in some fashion. You know, like a fucking point. Not to start flaming, but hey, why not join the discussion?

Now, I get how racism works and that, in this country (being America) I (being white) am not allowed to call a black person "Nigger" because it's hugely offensive, due to the vast history of oppression. That's what I understand, and that's what I agree too. I also understand that black oppression didn't actually happen world wide, which is why I brought up the UK, which is why I asked the question are black people in foreign countries as offended by the word as black people in America are?

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Whew, Goddamn, my question isn't about racism in other countries, it's about the word Nigger (in other countries), which was kinda the damn topic (and Devo, I'm gonna assume you meant South Africa, and not the entire continent).

I guess nobody really knows, cause all this grief seems to be about shit i'm not even talking about.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Devoxycontin

Practically the entire continent (several different colonies and countries) has been fucked by the likes of the English, Belgians, Dutch, French, etc. To even imply that the "oppression of blacks" by the word nigger was kept to just the North American continent and used by Americans only is incredibly stupid.

Granted, I have never spent any time studying the history of Africa or it's colonization in the late eighteenth century, thought I was aware that English, French, Portuguese, Spanish, German, Belgian, and Italian colonies existed. Now, I know how bad it sucks to be a colony, I'm an American. But that's another issue, not really based in racism.

Now, not having a degree in African-American studies, or the general nature of Racism at large, I'm going to have to defer to the end-all of knowledge: Wikipedia. I went ahead and typed the word "Nigger" in there and found out some interesting facts that negate your arguments and even answer the questions I was asking.

As it turns out, back in the day, like way back in that late eighteenth century days when those colonies existed, the variations of "nigger" that were used weren't actually considered derogatory. "Nigger", and it's variations, were only used as an identifier, similar to the way we use "black" today. It wasn't until the 1960's, in the American North (as it turns out) that "nigger" became offensive, and it was during the ensuing race war that it gathered all the negativity it now holds today. Listen carefully now, Devo:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

In the United States, the word was freely used by some whites and blacks, until the Civil Rights Era of the 1960s. It seems that the word acquired a pejorative meaning in the Northern United States before acquiring the same connotation in the South.

The only usage outside the United States that I found was that in a little place called Australia, and its neighbor New Zealand (where's Old Zealand, btw?) where "nigger" is used in casual conversation between good friends, both black and white, though it's considered impolite to use it to refer to a stranger

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Australians, black or white, do not on the whole have the same sensitivity to the word as Americans, at least when it is used in a lighthearted, non-derogatory fashion among established groups of friends.

So it would seem that, though America doesn't hold a monopoly on oppressing people, it mostly does on the word "nigger" (though it's origins, of course, are foreign). And, as Leknaat pointed out, the woman in question is from New York, which makes all of this irrelevant.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by a lurker

Um, modern-day American life is a little different than modern-day African life.

I was just making the point that America used to be a colony too, and we hold no aggravation towards the British now-a-days, so i was basically saying Devo's point that the entire continent of Africa was oppressed in the late eighteenth century was not much of a point at all.

True, they were colonized a while after America was, but the idea of colonization is still the same, be it 16th or 18th century.

Plus, in my understanding, a lot of modern-day African life (i'm assuming you mean the absolute horror that it is) is mainly due to Africans.

I'm not wrong in thinking Africa isn't a colony anymore, right?

How ya doing, buddy?

All right, Devo, until you actually provide some evidence to support that claim, I'm going to have to go ahead and say you're wrong. Did you even read the post where i pointed out where you are wrong on that? Let me say it again, since you have some sort of reading disorder. "Nigger" didn't become offensive until the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960's in the NORTHERN UNITED STATES. Until then it was used as an IDENTIFIER, like we used the word Black today. This whole fucking argument is over the WORD. Not oppression. There's plenty of oppressed people that have shit to do with the word "nigger".

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Originally Posted by Devoxycontin

What history books have you been reading?

did you actually read this? cause i did something like support my fucking argument. You should try it some time, before talking out your ass again. In case you really do have some kind of reading disability, i was using a Wikipedia Entry on "Nigger"

Originally Posted by a lurker

You already said you don't know much about Africa's history, so I don't think it's fair for you to say those dirty niggers are blaming innocents because Americans don't hold a grudge against England.

Okay, fair enough. Since that definitely wasn't the point i was trying to make, and since i don't really know what you're talking about, then, you win.

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oh my god. this has gotten way out of control, and i'm washing my hands of it. I tried my best to make a sound argument, but evidently, something went horribly wrong. Have fun rambling incoherently about whatever it is you're trying to talk about.

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