[Movie] Heroes

I'm thinking they can't do too much to mess up what timeline has already been established, or they'll have to go back and redo a lot of said storyline.

I'm really looking forward to today's episode. Of course, I've been really looking forward to every week's episode. This is the first time I've been addicted to a television show since American Idol, and I watch that with my cousins mostly to rip apart the musicality of the people involved.

EDIT: I have to take back some of the first part of my post, I guess, after seeing the previews for today's episode on Yahoo!

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Interesting way to show some of the backstory behind everything that has happened in the series so far.

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See, I'm thinking that Sylar doesn't eat people's brains. He knows how things work, knows when they're broken, and how to fix them. To me it's completely feasible that he's taking out their brains to see what pieces go where, then altering his own to match. That would make sense of the hunting people down and steal their powers, but would do away with the zombie allusion and brains-eating.

I hope Nathan dies. I hate that guy.

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Those are two good points that I've considered - that Eden will be the one to die (although if Sylar kills her that gives him yet another really useful power that I'm not sure they can afford to give him at this point, since he's basically the only 'bad guy'. That all of Hiro's meanderings into the future have come to pass is a very good point that no one in-show has figured out - they all act to make it come true, but have forgotten that they don't want the big boom to come true. And Hiro's been so wrapped up in the Charlie and the cheerleader stuff to remember that it's impending. Along those lines, though, wouldn't that be a month of show-time in? I thought that took place in November, and they're still in October.

And Nathan wins the election, so he can't die. Shame.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

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Those're some interesting theories. I noticed the Peter/Gabriel naming issue, though I hadn't compared their personalities. I can see that, but I think Peter is intrinsically good - even his family didn't trust him with any of the darker information about goings on, and I don't think it's because it would corrupt him. It seems like he acts with his heart and always does what he thinks is the right (and good) thing to do. The Voldemort stuff was a nice observation - it's a pretty typical literary move, and translating it to tv worked, but isn't wholly unique. Good parallel, though.

I noticed that Peter didn't pick up Sylar's powers, or at least didn't use them against him - although at the time, we weren't entirely sure what Sylar's powers were. Through the lens of this week's episode, though, I think you're right in saying that he can't pick up powers that Sylar has stolen. Which is an interesting thought, and which is why I don't think Sylar will die or even really be contained any time too soon - unless Claire's dad does end up being in some way evil, or twisted enough to try something.

As for the brain issues, I think it's notable but hard to say if it's important or not. It's especially hard to say because it is a markable pattern, but at the same time it's not a universal rule - Nathan, Peter, DL, Micah, Hiro, and Claire all seem ok. I don't buy the Claire chromosome thing as a mental issue.

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I have a feeling it was someone messing things up before, but imdb earlier in the season had Sean Bean listed as the actor playing Sylar. It was feasible because he'd be an awesome fit for the role, but I also can't see him playing a role in a tv show like that. And I mostly want to smack The Furious One, because I can't understand half of what he says, and what I do understand mostly doesn't make any sense.

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(However how come Nathan was able to fly escape the Haitian and Mr Bennet, his powers weren't blocked).

IF the Haitian's powers were some sort of blocking thing, a very reasonable explanation is that he wasn't using his powers at the time. Considering every time Claire's dad has him to anything he's messing around in people's minds destroying memories, though, I doubt his power is that simple. It seems like acute mind control of some sort, not Super Buffer Man.

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But it was Edan that stop Slyar (or was it the Haitan that blocking him using his powers, and Edan controlling his thoughts)?

You have it backwards, in my estimation. I could be wrong (I'm not.), but it looks like (definitely) Eden has the power of persuasion.

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Whoever he is he seems the most important element to Mr Bennet efforts.

You mostly need eyes to figure this one out.

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Hey now we know why Sylar cuts the heads off with such care. Will Sylar get Claires tumour???? Or since Hiro saved Claire from Sylar, Sylar won't have gained her powers.

When last I checked, tumors weren't contagious, plus he knows how to fix things. I have a sneaking suspicion that he's not stupid enough to give himself a tumor.

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Why did he need Claire in the first place? He was able to live from the shots of Matt's gun. Looks like he didn't need Claire's regen powers if he was moving just fine afterwards. Unless he wants to kill everyone until only he is left.

This is a very good point that throws Sylar's motivations up in the air again. Unless he doesn't know the true nature of the powers at first - it sounds like he hears that someone has something special about them, then steals what they've got. We don't even know for sure (though it seems unlikely there's any other explanation) that Sylar specifically sought out Claire - he could have just seen the story of a girl being a local hero and put two and two together (2+2 doesn't equal Jackie, though). It is also of note that Sylar went after Jackie, since if he were to specifically seek Claire out, it would be off of Saresh's (Suresh? can't remember) information, which wasn't wrong before. That implies that if he haphazardly showed up there, Eden did in fact succeed in getting Claire's name off the list.

I was speaking idiomatically.

First off, I think Sylar got his info from the trophy case/hero display in the hallway. He's seen peering into it shortly before he goes after them. Don't need to say the name if it's on the newspaper in the glass case.

I don't think Eden wipes memories - that's Haitian's place. Besides which, sending Eden to get Claire's name off the list might consist of something like that - we haven't seen what happens there yet (if we will at all, I don't think it's pertinent to the plot). Simply wiping a memory clean wouldn't preclude him from seeing it later and re-contacting all over again. And what do you mean by not wanting Saresh in on what he already knew? I don't think Saresh stumbled in on anything Claire's dad didn't want him to see/know, other than the fact that his daughter was one of them.

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You're forgiven.

You'll also noticed that Peter drew himself walking off the ledge on top of the building well after he'd broken contact with Isaac earlier in the series. This leads me to believe that he keeps control of borrowed powers for a short period of time after breaking contact with someone. And I don't think he picks up any of the personality traits of those he comes in contact with, or else he would have been more reprehensible whenever in contact with Nathan. No, the most intriguing aspect of Peter for me at this point is the fact that he saw what happened to Nathan and his wife in the car while it happened, and that was either without the aid of an outside Hero (if that's what we want to call them) and therefore under his own power, or there was yet another Hero nearby with that power that we haven't been introduced to yet.

I also don't think they can end Sylar simply because they'd be hard-pressed to come up with a better enemy, unless Claire's dad ends up being one.

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Originally Posted by Merv Flakes

That's what I like about this show: it makes you think a little, without being fed a hundred thousand red herrings like "Lost".

Amen to that. I'm really looking forward to tonight's episode, but it's a mixed excitement for solving a bunch of things that've been plaguing us, and stirring up new concepts and leaving us hanging for a month or so. There's something invigorating about having to talk through the possibilities before they show us part of what's actually going on.

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Interesting theories, guys. I love the brainstorming.

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I like that we have to keep coming back to the Peter/Sylar thing, because there's no way for us to resolve it without them revealing more info. My personal inkling is that unless Peter picks up pieces of people's personalities (I swear I didn't intend for that much alliteration), his nature leads him to do only that which is right, and not to abuse what he's got. Besides which if future!Hiro is interacting with him the way it seems, Peter's still a good guy at least that far into the future.

My first instinct is also that Sylar figured out the workings of the room in order to take out Eden. If Mr. Bennett had been relying solely on the powers of the Haitian, or even possibly his own powers, he wouldn't have left only Eden to be guarding the place. Knowing that Sylar had the power to figure out how things work, I wouldn't have expected him to leave Sylar in there that long without another stop-gap, though. What remains to be seen is whether he can escape from there or if there are further security measures that can keep him.

The question of who is superior over Mr. Bennett is a good one. That they've only now introduced the concept shows the depth that they've planned the show, but I'm curious/doubting that Linderman is directly in charge (maybe as a source of funds, but not a boss) just because it would be too neat and clean. The methods that they're using to keep us guessing (ie: Haitian speaking, Eden having powers, Sylar's origin/whatever, etc.) lead me to believe that Mr. Bennett has powers (because they haven't explained it away yet), whether or not they're related to what we assume the Haitian can do.

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Hmm, that's a pretty good find. I'll have to go back and look over the last episode and see if it adds up.

In other news, I have no idea what I'm going to do with an extra hour tonight.

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Originally Posted by striped phantom

New comic is out. So, they are going to be releasing comics every week even when the show of off air for now.

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/

Peter's in a coma.

Interesting. So these comics are canonical? I'll have to look over the older ones - do they fill in gaps that aren't covered in the show, or are they a glimpse into what the show is going to be showing in upcoming episodes?

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Either way, if the thing's canonical, it reaks of someone messing with his dream-state - after Sylar supposedly crawling into his dreams, then the coma-inducing vision of the 'future', and now this - seems like someone's messing with him, unless visions are part of his power (which I would tend to doubt).

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Oh, lame. They never outrightly said anything either way, but with the MySpace account it seemed fairly assured that he was gay. I was thinking that it's one of the few shows where I felt they had a fair portrayal of a younger gay character, and they go and back down on it. Either way, though, it's going to be hard to reintroduce his character, if they do at all. I'm thinking it's pretty doubtful.

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Yeah, good find. I think I won't recommend my friends read it because spoilers are so plentiful, but it lends some very interesting insights.

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osnap that was an awesome episode. I forgot how much my life revolved around waiting for the next episode of Heroes to come out. Poor Peter always taking the brunt of everything, and I really feel bad for Claire. What was up with the horrid orange shading on everything that included her this time around? It was creepy.

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Yeah, poor Hiro. All excited and stuff. I'm trying to figure out why they didn't get in trouble, though - all the security people were suspicious, and he would have been seen as moving really fast, but not invisible. Plus Ando was just standing there; surely surveillance cameras caught him? Oh well.

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I personally think you're reaching a bit far on a lot of those predictions, though I can see where you're coming from. The Mr. Bennett prediction is right where I think things are going, though. And your logic for that conclusion is very sound. It will be interesting to see how they reveal that bit of information if you're right.

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My only question along those lines would be whether his buffer power is working on all powers or only mental powers, and whether or not that afforded protection is extended to those he either chooses to protect, or those within a radius of his person, perhaps. This question would apply even if we're wrong and Bennett isn't the character with the supressor power.

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On Wireless' info page, there are a bunch of sky blue letters - assemble them in order to have the password for the 4th file on the website: Sylar's. The middle 2 files are still locked, though.

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I have a feeling we'll only gain access to the other files as the show progresses. It took a week to open up Wireless and Skylar's files, so I'm guessing at least one will open up after tomorrow.

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Yeah, still pretty much in the dark on everything here. All that they cleared up was:

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Claire has a mom who plays with fire.
Nathan is Claire's daddy.
Sylar is free.
Mr. Bennett is still a jerk, and we still don't know if he has any powers.
Hiro still can't control his powers.
Peter knows how to access his powers, but still can't control them.
I still can't wait until the next Monday. -_-

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

That's a good pull. I bet they're making reference to that, though we can't be quite sure why. I have a feeling it's just as intricate as we think it might be.

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Originally Posted by The Furious One

Bennett doesn't know Peter has powers does he??? Why did he not think it was odd to hear Peter was pysically invisible??

Eden told him when Mohinder told her. It was in an earlier episode - she was on the phone, and at first it was about flying, but I believe they sorta figured it out later. That's when Bennett learned about Hiro for the first time, too.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I don't think he freezes people, I think it's a manifestation of his telekinesis. And the 'flying' seemed to be more of a power jump, Super Mario 2 style.

I'm also not entirely convinced that Hiro saved Charlie/Charley/whatever her name was. She had the Japanese phrase book in his 'current time,' and it's the same phrase book that he gave her in the past. He told her all about time-traveling, so it's possible that she knew who he was when he came in that day. They made it oblique enough that I can't decide exactly what went on. Just because Hiro got more facts about the situation doesn't mean that he changed it. I dunno.

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Hmm, that's right, actually. They made a point of showing the picture before, and Hiro wasn't in it. I guess that's their way of showing us how the space-time thing works in their world, but it's also inconsistent. We were looking at a time when Hiro had not yet gone back in time to save Charlie, but at the same time it was a time in which Hiro had already gone back in the future to visit Peter. I don't think that's possible. Oh well.

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I'm not disputing the fact that there can be multiple 'copies' of himself at one point in time, but the inconsistency of not having a current self in the past while having a future self in the present. It breaks all conceptualization of messing with space-time.

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Oh heck yes. FANTASTIC episode. Cleared up quite a few questions, and raised quite a few more, and left on an AMAZING cliffhanger that means yet another suspense-filled week.

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So now the question of what Peter took from Sylar is answered - we were all wondering whether he just stole his ability-eating power or if perhaps he took all of the powers Sylar had already acquired. Since Peter used telekinesis, we know that he took all the powers. That opens things up some.

Sylar's got a bit of a liability to deal with in his new power, which should be interesting. Still sad that Mohinder is too blind to see what is before his face, but whaddyagonnado.

Also interesting development between Claire and Mr. Bennett. Now he knows for sure that she knows, but was apparently slow to try to have her wiped again. And the questions that we'll hopefully have answered next week should be revelatory. I only hope that they don't take the opportunity to tease us with us, then show all Niki/Jessica story and put off the answers to the week after. I would cry.

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