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The Supernatural / the Ghosties!
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Fjordor
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Old Apr 8, 2006, 06:52 PM Local time: Apr 8, 2006, 07:52 PM #1 of 43
I am rather skeptical about a lot of ghost and spirit sightings, as it seems that almost all are pathetic blotches on cameras, shapes superimposed by people who believe what they want to believe, and sometimes flat out fantasies.
Also, a lot of that ghost-hunting stuff appears to be nothing but scam artists and quacks working with elecrical devices that they have no idea how they work. So long as people pay them though, they will keep prowling.

However, I cannot say that I rule that stuff out completely. One of my former roommates told me about experiences he had at this one house that he lived in Houston, where basically his toys were literally animated before his, and his older brother's eyes. And he is a very reliable and truthful guy, who does not give into crack-pot ideas either, so I can trust his word.
There have also been other stories from some of my friends about other experiences they have had.

I personally feel that these "spirits" are actually demons just appearing when it is convenient to try and get them all wowed up over these trivial things, and distract them from what is really important, which is God.

Jam it back in, in the dark.
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Old Apr 8, 2006, 07:10 PM Local time: Apr 8, 2006, 08:10 PM #2 of 43
See, that right there seems like a load of tripe. Why would you be especially connected to the spirit world when you are half asleep? My observations have generally been that when you are haf-asleep, your awareness of the real world becomes dulled, and your mental imagery starts to have more prominence on your consciousness. Nothing spiritual is actually taking place.

As for things happening during the night, it is just the way in which the human mind works. Various sporadic shades of darkness and faint light are impulsively filled in with meaning by your visual cortex. Your brain is trying to make sense of nonsense, and this is nonsense especially sense we are daytime dwelling creatures. All the characteristics of objects during the night are still not too well embedded within our brains, so we try to piece things together using our daytime interpretive abilities. This is something you cannot really control though, and this is something you must be very aware about before you start off concluding that you saw a ghost or spirits.

Also, care to give more details on your experience? I think I already know what it is.

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Old Apr 8, 2006, 08:23 PM Local time: Apr 8, 2006, 09:23 PM #3 of 43
Originally Posted by soniclover
You're thinking more logically about the whole deal. You can't really explain it like that. I just know because that's when I'm more in touch with spiritual feelings. I can't exactly explain it all out, part of it is feeling it yourself. Like God.
Well if logic and neurology can explain it... then why not? Why must one immediately resort to conclusions of immaterial, illogical systems, when dealing with unknowns? (People are probably going to get on my case about my religion, after writing that. Oh well, I still think I am being consistent.)

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When I was really really really close to falling asleep, I got a jolt of fear. That's when this kind of being came running in and held me down. I felt like someone was pressing down on me really hard, I felt it standing right by me. I couldn't speak or move at all, only think. Like 10 seconds later it let go after thinking some godly thoughts. Then I felt it run out of the room. Then I conviently remembered something my mom said, "the devil is afraid of the lord".

Actually, this is a common story. I'm sure a moderate amount of other individuals went through that.
Yes, it is a common story. It is sleep paralysis, as evidenced by that thread. For centuries, people have been talking about how they feel that certain spirits, or ghosts, or witches, were on their chest, giving them a feeling as if they were being crushed. That is sleep paralysis, hypnagogic paralysis in your instance (which is somewhat rarer than the other form, which is during waking up: hypnopompic paralysis). I gurantee you that your experiences are no more special than anyone else's throughout history.

However, it doesn't seem like my skepticism is going to be entertained all that much in this thread.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

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Old Apr 8, 2006, 09:06 PM Local time: Apr 8, 2006, 10:06 PM #4 of 43
Originally Posted by CetteHamsterLa
That really is an odd choice of explanation of the whole spiritual thing though for a godboy. How exactly does that jive with your beliefs anyway?
Basically, it jives with my beliefs in that I think that this universe was created with a specific and unique design. Many of the feelings that we get are part of this design. Additionally, I do not think that all things are explainable through naturalistic means, such is the case with the question about design itself, as well as miracles. I am still fleshing out this change in perceptions however, but I myself do not see an elimination of my faith; rather, I see a further crystallization of it that I have not experienced before, and it has so far helped me make more sense of a lot of stuff.

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