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Milosevic dies in jail
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Old Mar 11, 2006, 03:04 PM Local time: Mar 11, 2006, 04:04 PM #1 of 86
Starting wars, especially when there is, at the time, apparent reasonable cause for the war, is completely different from what Milosevic did, which was basically to directly target and kill thousands of people of an ethnic group merely for the fact that they are in that group.
Genocide and war are different, and if you think they aren't, you need to keep quiet about international affairs, 'cuz you clearly don't really know what you are talking about.

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Old Mar 11, 2006, 03:19 PM Local time: Mar 11, 2006, 04:19 PM #2 of 86
Originally Posted by gyges
Sorry if this is off-topic, but I've never understood that. Why should you create even more suffering in the world than there already is? I mean why should you make someone suffer because he made someone suffer? That way you're not better than him, because you have caused as much suffering, not? Anyway, as an utilitarian, I think that it's wrong to cause even more suffering than there already is, no matter who is the one suffering ...
Generally I think that justice is the wrong way to go about problems. The world is unfair, it's just the way it is ...
Unfortunately, I think you utilitarianism is incomplete.
One thing you have to take into consideration is the fact that a lot of people will not be happy until justice has been administered. As such, it is a necessary evil for the happiness of the people.

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Old Mar 11, 2006, 03:45 PM Local time: Mar 11, 2006, 04:45 PM #3 of 86
Originally Posted by Eleo
But people can be irrational; so maybe they shouldn't always be given what they actually want.
Clearly the idea of utilitarianism is foriegn to you.
Utilitarianism gives little importance to what is "rational" and really has only the objective of doing the most good for the most people. So, if it is irrational for justice to be administered to Milosevic, but a vast majority of people will be pleased and happy with that, then by all means, justice should be administered.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
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Old Mar 11, 2006, 05:02 PM Local time: Mar 11, 2006, 06:02 PM #4 of 86
Originally Posted by Devo
I'd assume that suffering is to be avoided as much as possible, and the suffering of one doesn't not justify happiness for all because true happiness should not come from the pain of others.
That however is not utilitarianism.

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