The topic of Abortion

A lot of people who get abortions do so because they do not want to be reponsible for their own actions. The captain of the cheerleading team sleeps around, and then finds out, much to her dismay, that she is pregnant. Obviously, this would be terribly inconvenient for her, for not only would it put a huge damper on her perfect life, but her reputation will be ruined. Obviously, the only logical recourse is to get rid of the baby. Abortion clinic here she comes.

This is purely fiction, but in a more generalized perspective, this is what goes on in regards to abortion in America.

People act in a liscentious and unwise manner, and then try to not have to deal with the consequences.

Granted, there are SOME instances where an abortion could be considered "okay," such as rape babies, or children where the life of the mother is threatened... but this market is in short supply, and not reliable enough to depend on as an income source.
They encourage people to be sexually loose, so that the abortion clinics can make a killing (pun intended) off of these people.

Social engineering anyone?

This is why there are so many groups active in defending "a women's right to choose." Because they want a cut of the cash pie. I guarantee that abortion clinics pay some hefty dues to various groups to defend them.

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Originally Posted by Smoodle

I think abortion is alright in the case of saving the mother's life, or if the mother was a rape victim.

Other than that, stick it out and have the baby adopted.

Also, making abortion illegal will not fix anything. In fact, I would think it would make things much worse.

Unfortunately, you might be right.
The problem now is that society has become dependent upon abortion clinics, and it doesn't look like America is going to steer any farther from hedonism that it usually does.

However, I DO think that by making abortions illegal, it will significantly reduce the number of abortions performed. The catch is that it would just make them more dangerous to perform, since they will have to be done underground.
One would hope that by making it illegal, people would think twice about having regular sex... but this probably will not be the case.
Damn the coinsequences, they just want sex.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Actually, Yama, you have a good point, and one that I had been wondering about for a long time.
It is not actually an extreme view of pro-lifers to also try and protect the lives of those born of rape. It just is not very diplomatic enough to warrant any mention right now. The thing is, the common perception (of non-prolifers) of children is that they are a "burden," or "punishment," or other such words with negative connotations, not as living beings worthy of life, no matter how terrible their origins.
The reason that people usually allow concessions for rape is because the main argument for abortion is that a woman has a "right to choose," and if sex was forced upon her, she was not allowed to choose, but instead her rights were violated.
I suppose one could sum it up like: "She is to not be held responsible for crimes she did not commit."

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I find it awfully odd that the courts forced an abortion.
Was it at the behest of the victim?
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Originally Posted by The Dopefish

You're gonna make me look...grr.

Edit: for the moment, ignore what I said about court-ordered abortions. I seem to recall a case like that but can't find any info on Google or Wikipedia.

Meh. Take your time. There is no hurry.
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I was speaking idiomatically.

I have said this in previous threads, and I guess I will state it again:
The primary issue here is where does human life begin?

Like Sass poignantly voiced, she obviously doesn't think a baby gestating is anything more than a parasite. Obviously, she does not consider an unborn baby to be human.
And then there are the pro-lifers who say that a human life begins as soon as you have a fertilized embryo, and the rest is up to fate, or God, or whatever, and the decision about what happens to that life is ethically not our own anymore.

So anyways, new direction to steer this thread:
Where/when does life begin, AND WHY?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?