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FadedReality · Jul 12, 2006, 02:18 PM

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I'm not putting too much stock in those revalations in the previews since last week's was something to the effect of

"One of the 4400 will die!"

Yet it turns out that several died and none of them were persistent characters. In the preview for next week they show Tom all shockified saying "I can't belive it's you" or whatever (at work so I can't hit the site and get it verbatim)... I bet that line/scene isn't related to the Nova Group mole whatsoever.

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Lo and behold, they wound up killing him off halfway through the season, and on the DVD commentary, the producers said they knew from the beginning of the season that he was leaving the show.

Hrmm... I downloaded the 2nd season so I missed out on the commentary, but why even bother with the shot of Jordan on the beach if the actor left the show? The character being alive and being a major character through the entire 1st season and part of the 2nd would lead one to believe Jordan would come back into the plot somewhere.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

FadedReality · Jul 12, 2006, 08:46 PM

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Something my GF and I have been going over in conversation... if the 4400 do affect the timeline and save humanity, won't that mean that by the time humanity would have gotten to the point in time where they abducted the 4400 and unlocked their abilities that there would be no need to do so and thusly no one would know to send them back? Or would it be that the people in the "fixed" future know that they have to send them back and make contact with Tom to arrive at the humanity the people of the jacked up future desire? Basically... is the whole future people part an act on their part because they know what could have happened if they didn't send back the 4400

There's nowhere I can't reach.

FadedReality · Jul 12, 2006, 11:14 PM

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Ok here's the basic gist...

The timeline without the 4400 ends up with humanity on the verge of extinction and the people of the future eventually dying out or whatever (since the show doesn't addreess that possibility at all).

Now, the timeline that we get in the show goes like this...

People get abducted over time.

the 4400 are returned.

all sorts of stuff happens in the present day.

in the future, the 4400 are abducted and returned to try and alter the crash course humanity is on.

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Now, what I'm trying to figure out is this. Think of Back to the Future 2, where the sports almanac goes into the past and alters the present to make Biff rich and all that stuff. Now think of the 4400 in that regard, with the 4400 being the sports almanac, if you will. So if the people of the future send the 4400 to prevent the extinction of humanity, the 4400 would alter the course of events, creating a better future, negating the need to send the 4400 back in the first place. Yet, if they succeed in changing things, no one would ever have the idea to abduct people and send them back to alter things, but then that leaves the question of how did they get there to make it better if their betterment actually prevents the downfall of humanity?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

FadedReality · Jul 13, 2006, 12:16 AM

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I just thought of something right before I was about to head off to bed. They said that the scientist/researcher guy (can't recall the name atm) goes on to create the technology or procedure or whatnot that allows the 4400 to exist, the unlocking of that part of the brain... Well, if not for the returnee who was in the mental institute who in essence cured his insanity, he presumably never would have gotten out of there. Without that girl being a returnee and having the visions of the tower, there would have been no cure. So maybe the angle the show is going for in this regard (if any) is that even with the 4400 in place to better the world, they really don't ever have an effect. That mankind will destroy itself despite what the people from the future are attempting.

Without the 4400, there is no 4400... hmmmmm...

I'm off to bed

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

FadedReality · Jul 18, 2006, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by ArchesFan

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Yeah this week's episode was more than a little on the snooze side. The whole Isabelle/Shawn thing is really starting to annoy me. Tom should just stab her in the face with that needle and end her obnoxious threats. Isabelle took over as my least favorite character when she killed off Lily. To go from a crybaby who cares only for her antichrist daughter to the daughter who has no concept of right or wrong beyond her own selfish wants. It's really grating.

It's almost as if since they stopped with the "continuous plot but introduce episodic 4400 events" formula things have been slowing down. No mention of Kevin Burkhoff, no powers, no promicin that was such a large part of the story, just a lot of arguing and strained expressions. What's the deal?

I was speaking idiomatically.

FadedReality · Jul 18, 2006, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by ArchesFan

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Where are you finding these future episode titles? I can't wait till Jordan comes back.

For Lily, she just got to a point where all it seemed like she did was whine and make Richard's life difficult. I understand wanting to run from the government but more than once I was rooting for Richard to pack up in the middle of the night and bail.

I know they need to develop characters and tie up some loose ends and such so I'm bearing with the sort of plodding along bits. I can't wait for the inevitable ramping up of suspense that culminates with the season finale, just to leave you with a cliffhanger. There definitely was a plus to not being caught up. No waiting!

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?