22yr old Arrested for raping 13 yr old met online

What's the point of having one of these threads every six months, other than identifying the current crop of gf pedos?

I'd go so far as to say there isn't anything wrong with a 13/22 pair, although it's a signal that there's something deeply wrong with the 22 year old if they can find fulfillment beyond a one-off gratification in a 13-year-old punk. It's enormously stupid, and the kid will realize this when the sexual high wears off and suddenly there's no money (or worse, a baby shows up), but your teens are all about doing incredibly stupid things that you thought were brilliant ideas at the time. At least mine were. Assuming she has no STDs, it's probably a lot safer sort of stupid than making your own flaming arrows or "baking" clay sculptures on a bbq. (Funny how most of my childhood memories involve fire or mud or both.) You can't even say that it's going to damage the kid or warp his views on women, unless you have a psychology degree and personally interviewed him (or have a transcript from someone who did). Sure it's possible, just like it's possible he'll come out better for it.

The only things you can really say about it are "she should have known better" and "what the hell is up with the mom jesus".

Originally Posted by a lurker

That's like saying that women walking alone are gonna get raped because _______.

You know it's the truth, don't step out without your burqa or no one's gonna protect you, woman.

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Originally Posted by Bradylama

And then call it stupid, while calling the mentality of the mother and the woman in question.

If there is nothing wrong with the situation, why is there something wrong with the adults?

If there is no victim, then why should the adult know better? What is there to know better in a case where nobody has been harmed? There shouldn't be any reason to know better, unless it endangers the parties, and if it does so, how can it not be wrong?

I'm just saying from my perspective, not everything that can hurt someone is wrong even if it's illegal. Irreparable harm is wrong, and this kind of relationship can cause that, I'm not denying, but just saying that's not necessarily the case. The woman knew what the consequences were and was stupid for risking them brazenly, and pathetic for falling for kornbix over here that she knew wouldn't (couldn't?) turn her down. I'm only saying that because a lot of people are implying that this kid is now fucked for life, that this situation automatically confers irreparable harm on someone. Or I'm just misreading.

I'm not privy to the psychological evaluations to say how wrong the adult was. The most damaging consequences of pedophilia come from adults convincing children that they are ugly, dirty, shameful little creatures that no one can love, either carefully manipulated to feel only the molester can understand and love them or simply humiliating them into submission, and that if the relationship is revealed it'll be the child who will be punished and outcast. That's when it ruins lives and leads to severe psychological problems. It doesn't sound like that's the case at all here, given how brazen it all was, but who knows.

On the other hand, the mother's there to look out for the child's best interests, which as this thread so aptly points out, aren't going to be served by a 22 year old mooch, even if she brings da hooch. She's old enough to know a little pussy probably isn't going to do her son much good long-term when he should be studying and socializing, and more importantly, that there's a major chance that everyone involved could get in a great deal of trouble, like they did.

Gumby, in most of Japan it's 18. 13 is the federal limit, but only in force in the bumfuck redneck prefectures.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

What your logic inevitably arrives at, is that if something is not wrong, then why should it be illegal?

Many dangerous things are against the law because there is risk, even though they can be done many times without actual injury. (And to some degree the governments enact laws to babysit children, since the modern economy forces or at least rewards workaholic parents over properly raising and policing their kids. I don't think pedophilia laws fall under that though.)

In this particular instance, I suppose that with the long court case, the mother going to jail, the kid bouncing around foster homes, is all going to irreparably damage the kid, but in this case I think the justice system is going to do a lot more damage than peer awe ever could have, in the name of doing less damage in the vast majority of cases. But that's how society works, I guess, sacrifice the few to save the many.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by a lurker

Of course, you don't think you were poorly affected by this. After all, you feel normal, right? You don't feel irrevokably damaged. Well, lest anyone thinks that statutory rape on a 13 year old boy doesn't affect the boy, here is proof positive.
Sociopaths think that Ace Combat is the greatest thing ever made, rather than the awesomeness of Cave Story, having been skullraped by millions of italian sausage cocks as children.

You're arguing with the posterboy for irrevocably damaged over there, don't even bother.

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I guess it's easy to see rape secreting from every dark alley's orifices when rainman is the lawyer for the defense. He's probably outside lurking in a trenchcoat in a park in the hundred degree weather right now.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Around here, nigger and faggot are like pal and chum. Brady is a loony libertarian. You did, in fact, state your age implicitly, but not explicitly. And it's 'wary'. That's four strikes in four statements, gg.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Ghetto Fabulous D. Loco

The kid can't even hold a legitimate job at 13. Maybe some under the table assistant, but who's gonna bother risking that?

You've quite firmly established that you think that every 13 year old is a drooling retard in nappies, you can only beat it to death so much. You make an automatic leap from being too young to understand the consequences to walking away from it with PTSD and lifelong regret without explaining. For instance, quite a few 13 year olds do work in the US, some for fun, some to escape a bad home, some as a family obligation, some because they have no money and no choice. Certainly nowhere near the majority. Some kids that young drive too, usually off public roads - where it's legal. (Some study or another found that older teens who started driving young make the safest teen drivers, on average, though it didn't recommend lowering the legal limit. Kids are, after all, short, overconfident, and prone to panic.)

This is much more like smoking, something kids want to do (or get cajoled into), aren't really prepared for, don't want to know the long-term consequences of, get it offered by someone older who definitely does know, and of course it's illegal. Neither is healthy long-term. The chance that it's going to screw up someone's life is still just that, a chance. (Pedophilia and smoking clearly have quite different effects though.) Do you also think offering a kid some cigarettes while stressing before a final exam is as loathsome and predatory? Would you agree that anyone who did should be locked up and have their name put in a public registry?

And if the situation is reversed? It's possible, still, but since girls are taught from day one to never give it up, they generally place far less emphasis on sex until later in life, as well as the physical pain and internal violation, it's much more common that they have to coerced into sex, and more likely that they'll be unable to cope. That's one real reason adult female pedophiles with pubescent boys are rarely heard of - a boy's reaction with a woman doesn't often rise much above the level of embarrassment, because it's seen as just a game. (Until the woman goes mental, or gets pregnant.)

When it's teachers, coaches, or other authority figures, it wildly distorts the balance of power and may tremendously affect the ability to learn in school, as well as keeping total coercive power over a student. It's not something I'd ever condone.

I don't know if you're just baiting or if you really think the guy is going to need years of therapy to get over the anguish of having sex (or switch from a gaming nerd to a macho wifebeater over it, as brady implies). I do know the woman is probably going to get the counseling she needs in prison. I don't even know why I care so much about it, but the thread did convince me to go hunting for research, since I didn't know enough. It just bothers the hell out of me that you immediately demonize anyone involved in a combination of ages & sexes that has a lower chance of mind-fucking someone, in a situation where the boy invited her into his home, because it doesn't fit into your (and my) general revulsion of pedophiles.

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And I'm saying I hung around a few guys in junior and high school who dressed fashionably, fancied themselves lady's men, and hit on women young and old when they could. The big difference being that women found it charming but otherwise unmoved. (One did claim he'd tapped that, at 15, but it turned out to be a chubby white trash mom, and he stopped bragging when someone passed a photo around. He got more nerdy over the years, but last I heard he was doing great in a finance major. And on the flip side, one of my teachers was teasing/harassing the kids in crude ways he thought was funny, until he was suspended after making one cry.)

I can't believe you guys actually think it's impossible for a young teen to be horny and manipulative liars, is all. They were both manipulating each other, consciously or unconsciously, as people do. The entire crux of the predation argument centers on how much she wanted the result from the beginning versus how much was a pathetic e-crush that got carried away. There are psychological states that are even easier to manipulate than childhood immaturity - she could easily be a predator who stalks kids on games, or opportunistically pursued once they bonded, and chances are good it's or the other, or a weepy post-divorce vagina with an LJ, a welfare check, and too much free time spent gaming all day.

I guess you just have to forgive me for thinking that a broken weepy vagina isn't as bad as someone who looks for children to 'love'.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Yes I know at least one personally. You know they're out there, they're usually the ones who grow up to be predators and/or sociopaths.

Well anyway I realized shortly after posting that I was projecting some of my own online mistakes of 4-5 years ago onto the situation. Mistakes like quiet fox, tifa, typhin, and belgara all seemed like great ideas when I was as mentally screwed up as they were.

With that resolved, fuck off and die, you geriatric infant-loving bitchniggercunts.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

grown physically != grown mentally

So you've never know college-age men and women who act for all the world like large children? Lucky, I guess.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I want to know where you guys think I said this was a healthy or perfectly normal thing. Okay, in the beginning I should have been clearer, since it obviously is a problem no matter what the circumstances, conflating "won't traumatize" with "no problem" is dumb. I support a prison term and long-term counseling. I usually give people way too much benefit of the doubt, and it does make me a bad judge of character, and I guess you can tell old memories are coloring my emotions. (On the other hand, my last post was pure stupid trolling before sleep and hey, it got replies.) I do feel pretty dumb overall now, looking back.

You aren't the first to say that, brady, but the fact that rozen has no sexual appeal whatsoever is why I enjoyed it. *shrug*

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

You deny that Glam Rock was the greatest musical movement of the 20th century? I grew up on a diet of glam and day-glo wristbands.

I'm not going to apologize for liking the show, particularly since it's still the music I'm more obsessed with than the rest, but I find nothing sexual about it and cringe when I see people who do. Same with Real Dolls. Unfortunately, there are creepy antisocial people who happen to like most of the enjoyable things in life, but that doesn't make me (or Styphon) one of them.

But if the sig gives you guys the willies, I'll change it.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

I get that, see, but why be the butt of the joke more than the hole I already dug for myself.

Oh well, too late, I found a pic I liked and found another to go with it.

I was speaking idiomatically.