[Multiplatform] Ivalice Alliance

Originally Posted by JazzFlight

Please Vagrant Story 2, please Vagrant Story 2, please Vagrant Story 2...

I really hope the world of Ivalice comes into its own. I want to see concrete connections between games. This could be a great spin-off world from the typical Final Fantasy "new world every time" system.

Exactly, I'm glad they finally picked the right world/series to expand. This is awesome news, especially the new things added to FFT. Hopefully there's more new stuff revealed as we get closer to its release date.

IMO, it would be nice if they have one game "series" take place in the FFT-era Ivalice and another around FFXII's time. Damn, this has got me saving for a PSP now. =(

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Originally Posted by Generic Badass

But... but it has a spiffy new logo.

One thing people might be able to get excited for is a new translation, as we all know the original was atrocious. They might even get the dude who did Vagrant Story's and (I think) XII's.

Alexander O. Smith

That would be awesome, and even a slightly updated FFT port is better than nothing.

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Originally Posted by Inhert

port with extra can be fun, but now that the ps3 will offer ps1 emulation and even emulation on psp, I don't know if some new Cut-scene and 2 new job will be enough to buy it for 40$ or take the ps1 emulation for like 5$...

the other game seem good thought ^^

I read here (yes it's in french) that the new FFT will be name Final Fantasy Tactics : The Lion War (Shishi Sensô in jp) and they didn't said on which system it will be and then therw will be Final Fantasy tactic A2 Fûketsu no Grimoire, which they are suppose to give more detail in the nest few day, I think FFTA2 will likely be FFT advance 2 like someone said before.

I more interested in inal Fantasy Tactics : The Lion War which I think could be more like the original FFT then the GBA one

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Square-Enix has announced a new series of games to expand upon a previously established universe, not unlike the World of Mana and Compilation of Final Fantasy VII series. This time, it's the world of Ivalice which first appeared in Final Fantasy Tactics. The first title under this expansion is actually Revenant Wings, which has its own thread and is properly explained there.

The second of which is a port of Final Fantasy Tactics on the PSP, which will see various updates-- most important of which are two new Jobs being made available. Others include new movies and such.

Lastly, there is the (not-so-)mysterious "FFT A2". Which everyone and their mom suspects is Tactics Advance 2, so yeah.

The Lion War is just FFT with some new stuff, but it's for the PSP. FFTA2 is probably for the DS, like Revenant Wings.

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Originally Posted by Inhert

wasn't there a big book like a grimoire in FFTA?

Yes, Marche's (sp?) brother opens up a thick book that happens to be magic and it drops them into that world. Looks like another game revolving around a book.

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Originally Posted by RPG Maker

Each game has nothing to do with each other. Only thing in common is the name Ivalice and a few other things.

Not really, he's actually got the timeline (as it's commonly believed) to be kind of wrong. It's:

FFTA > FFXII > FFT

I don't know where I heard this, but I've heard that FFT takes place in Rozzaria.

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Originally Posted by Cobalt Katze

FFTA series takes place outside of the of the timeline technically, since it's inside a book based on the world of Ivalice

Heh, good point. But remember, it was a book. Could it be that they were living in the Ivalice that the book described? It may have been a magical history book/grimoire.

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FFT taking place inside Rozzaria would make sense, since it's all locations that aren't in XII's Ivalice. From what I gathered, Rozzaria seems to be some kind of fantasy version of Italy I could certainly picture Al-Cid riding off on a moped going 'ciao'.

Not to mention, according to the Wikipedia entry for the game, FFT was modeled after the War of the Roses. That'd seem to fall in line with the name.

Also, found another little link, though it may mean nothing:

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Mustadio and his father's last names are both Bunanza, possibly descendants of Balthier and/or the rest of the Bunansa family? Mustadio uses guns if I'm not mistaken and his father is very much into machinery.

And Vagrant Story would have to take place before FFXII, or at least during, since there are numerous entries in the bestiary that refer to the 'Naturalist Merlose'. Callo Merlose, maybe?

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Originally Posted by Cobalt Katze

Callo Merlose was Vagrant Story, not FFT. Which would place VS prior to XII.

Ah, whoops I put 'Tactics' instead of VS. Yes, VS is before XII, that's actually one of the first "clicks" that when through my head when I was filling the bestiary.

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Originally Posted by Generic Badass

I had just chalked it and the Bunansa name up as little nods to previous games, like the Riskbreaker Guild Rank and Montblanc.

Ah, it's probably just that. Some others include the Espers themselves being the Lucavi of FFT, albeit with slightly different names. Queklain becomes Cuchulainn (hell his subtitle is almost the same in both games, Impure somthing something), Hashmalum becomes Hashmal, Altima becomes Ultima, etc...

I believe Velius is Belias, but that may be stretching it. The Zodiac and gem associations are still the same in both titles, as is their jobs and ranking amongst them (Hashmal brings order/regulates, Ultima's the leader). The games are clearly linked. Even FFTA is linked, so it's not fictional.

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Al-Cid Margrace invites Ashe to his family's vacation spot in Ambervale. This location is the final stage in FFTA, and in that game it is the summer home of the royal family. Supports both the Rozzaria connection and the FFTA world as actually having existed.

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Originally Posted by Generic Badass

That connection to Advance is easily explained by the fact that the world is crafted by their experiences with Final Fantasy, like I said. A child's outlook could easily explain why the rather grotesque Seeq are absent and why the Judges are considerably more benign than their XII counterparts. Hell, it would make Montblanc fit in all too well, since he is exactly the same in personality and career choice.

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IIRC, the book itself is actually magic and Marche's brother's dream/desires could simply have them viewing the book's contents through the filter of his mind. This becomes more pronounced as the story goes on and they realize that the world isn't real. So, IMO, it's a dream interpretation of some actual time in the book. They've even got the Salikawood as a location, or at least wood from that area as an item.

I like the idea that the book may actually be FFXII with all the "icky" removed.

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Also, Belias is extremely similar to Velius when romanizing, so it isn't a stretch in the least.

Thanks for the heads up, I sort of wondered if they weren't actually one and the same due to both having the same gem.

And VS wouldn't take place that far ahead of XII, since it frequently cites 'Naturalist Merlose' in encounters with certain monsters. That would put it sometime before XII. Or if you don't to view this reference in this light, it could be an ancestor, but Merlose is a she in the entries.

Someone explained it well in the FFXII thread that FFT takes place well after the others for various reasons (absence of other races, airship graveyard, etc).

Either way, this is all very interesting.

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Originally Posted by Dark Nation

The only definite pieces of information which relate to the other games would be the following:

- (FFXII), Ivalice uses the Old Valendian Calender, which would indicate that Valendia no longer exists as the time of FFXII.
- (VS) There is a Temple of Kiltia, which the religion can also be found in FFXII in Mt. Bur-Omisacse as the Temple of the Gran Kiltias, which would suggest that either the Religion still exists, so that it used to beforehand at some point (The Cathedral could be Kiltia in name only, and be home to a different Church organization).
- (FFT) The Kingdom of Ordalia is the location of Rozzaria (FFXII) on the Ordalian Continent, while Valendia is where the current Arcadian Empire is situated, on the Valendian Continent.
- (FFXII) The rood symbol found on the cape of the Judges is also the same kind (Subtle difference in Design) found in Vagrant Story.
- A.J. Durai is also the narrator of Tactics (duh).

Some of this info might be unconfirmed. This is a combo of what I know, and what I was able to gather.

Awesome compilation, DN. I think the Kiltias have been around before, as the Stilshrine is actually a temple.

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It's mentioned in the game, that Raithwall and the Kiltias were friends and he had him put one of his treasures there.

About the location of Lea Monde, got any guesses? I don't remember any bestiary entries mention anything about it, or even hint at it (I've already caught a Red Wings reference in the Aeronite entry).

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I think someone forgot to sleep before posting the news? The Crystal Chronicles take place in their own world, what with their own unique races and such.

Yeah, that'd actually be a negative, IMO. Chronicles had a very interesting world, and a very thin story that had to do with memories. I enjoyed the style of the world and the races, so much so that to force it into the world of Ivalice would be strange.

It also wouldn't click with the first game's story, because miasma =/= mist.

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Originally Posted by Generic Badass

In their defense, there hasn't been anything to confirm that this takes place in the same world. Outfits are similar, but nothing concrete. From what the article says, this game is actually fairly dissimilar to its predecessor-- the story takes more of a central role (focusing on two siblings and having a theme about family), crystals (and presumably miasma) will be nonexistent, and strategy is now considered in battle (having the high ground will cause additional damage, for example).

But, on the other hand, this wouldn't be the first time Magicbox has misquoted or even flat-out wrongly stated information on an upcoming game. I'm also pretty sure I saw a Yuke in a recent screenshot, which wouldn't fit into Ivalice unless they add the original Crystal Chronicles world. Still, I don't think I'd be against the series being added into that universe.

Well, it still wouldn't work, since Clavats aren't humans it seems, they'd have to explain the Yukes. Not to mention the complete absence of references to any FFT/VS events, people or places. It really seems like they'd be shoehorning it into that world.

I'm calling BS on them for the moment, unless this somehow takes place in the distant past.

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Ok, I see the Onion Knight job on the right, with a summoner and archer in the back. I was looking to find the other new addition in there, but I guess not (unless it's that Ninja/Samurai one above the N).

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Originally Posted by Taisai

The source was already edited, so just a misunderstanding of the reporter?

Be it true or not, whatever. I love the mediaeval atmospheres that Matsuno and his followers created, but I'm not a fan of the world Ivalice in the least, especially when it's just Star Wars-esque like FFXII. The Vana diel (FFXI's world) is much more attractive IMO.

Go shoot yourself. Just kidding, but Vana'diel better than FFXII's Ivalice? I think not. If the game had a day/night cycle it would've been icing on a game that had a fantastic world. I'm just disappointed that they threw out CC's world in order to fit this into Ivalice.

Oh, and here's more reason to get the PSP version of FFT:



Damn.

Wow, took a little too long. =/

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Rock

I'd be interested in a complete map of Ivalice with all the continents and locations that appear in Vagrant Story, Final Fantasy Tactics and XII. Does such a thing even exist?

Isn't the background of the FFT PSP website a map of Ivalice? We don't even need a map, as XII lays things out pretty well:

To the west of the Sandsea is Rozzaria (continent of Ordalia?)
To the south of Rabanastre is Kerwon
Dalmasca is on the Galtean penisula (IIRC)

As for Archades, didn't someone mention it's in Valendia?

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Originally Posted by Dark Nation

As much as I'd like a Wii sequel, it will likely NEVER happen.

The only Final Fantasy to hit any Nintendo System has been Crystal Chronicles, which is like a spin-off series, and Tactics Advance, which is Tactics Ogre Advanced, but with Final Fantasy IP.

If they DID however make the sequel for the Wii... I don't know what to think.

The PS3, I'm afraid, would sacrifice Gameplay and/or the Game's soul/uniqueness for Sony regulations in their games (Compare to how Sony Computer Entertainment America (SCEA) has an active policy against any 2D game, or EA in general).

On the flip-side, the Wii port would probably have subtle censorship, such as mature content references, which is typical of Nintendo (I have a feeling they released Conker's fur day just to say that policy was not actually true, have a steak to feed the sharks, as it were).

Now then: What would/does the sequel entail story-wise?

FFTA getting a Wii sequel? Now that's far fetched. The games will likely continue on their handhelds. Not to mention that the game was pretty average, and wouldn't exactly wok well without a complete revamp. Might as well make a new game for the Wii.

I agree with DN that if it did show up on it, there would be lots of "you can't do this" or "show that" for the title. PS3 would be out of the question, for the reason stated before (handheld only). If it did show up on that machine, it'd likely end up as the most gorgeous FFT-based game to date, but with the shitty gameplay+story of FFTA.

FFTA2 for the DS is completely reasonable and expected.

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Originally Posted by Dark Nation

LOL. No I meant Final Fantasy Tactics (PS1) getting a Wii Sequel. Since (Last I heard), there wasn't a console chosen for the FFTactics2.

FFT = PS1
FFTA2 = DS
FFT (Port) = PSP
FFT2 = ???

Final Fantasy Tactics 2? The only games that were announced were FFT:TLW and FFTA 2, for the PSP and DS. FFT2 would likely be on one of Sony's consoles, although if it's on the PS3 it'll likely end up in 3D.

But there hasn't been much in terms of concrete hints towards a FFT2 coming.

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I think the best decision for all would be for it being on the PS2, but since both Sony AND Squeenix are Graphic Whores (For both bad and good), they'd want to push for a PS3 Sequel with real-time magic casting or something.

The PS2 would be the best bet, as they're already quite familiar with the hardware. Not to mention the console's shown it has its share of SRPG fans waiting for anything to come down the pipe.

A PS3 FFT would mean they're bringing the games to the forefront, rather than something on the side.

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However, Nintendo has new management as of late, and maybe that will indicate allowing FFT2 on the Wii. Afterall they did have the Resident Evil titles (Notably RE4, game in my signature right now), and Red Steel as a launch title for the Wii, both of which are much more directly violent then any Final Fantasy title.

They'll still ask for things to be removed from any FFT game that shows up on their console that's remotely as dark as Tactics. RE4 and Red Steel were both calculated moves to break the image of their consoles as toys/childish.

BTW, Cetra's right. I've long heard about this 2D restriction business, and it mostly comes from bitter ToD folks but many other 2D-philes can't seem to leave that horse alone.

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Originally Posted by Dark Nation

Hmm, that may be so, but aside from Capcom Fighters, I can't think of any other 2D Games on the PS2 (They might be 2.5D, meaning 2D gameplay but 3D graphics, but I was referring to purely side-scrollers or what-not). However If its really just a case of bitter fans spreading rumors then I'll investigate more thoroughly the validity of such claims in the future. (Honestly its unlike me to spread rumors ).

The bold part is pretty much it. There's definitely more 2D titles on the PS2 than the others, one I can name is Alien Hominid.

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I could have Sworn that a FFT2 was announced as being in pre-production. I guess this shows one should not post in the morning when they have class the next day

Heh, don't sweat it. I avoid posting early in the morning due to bizarre typos and fuzzy memory.

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The main reason I'm thinking that a PS3 Sequel would be more likely is that Sony wants to push hard on their new hardware, and given the industry-wide pattern of slowly dropping support for "Legacy" Hardware once a new console comes out (A 1-2 Year Transition from my perspective), it would be beneficial to Sony (and Squareenix) that they have a capital franchise's "Next-Gen" debut on their new machine. However Squareenix has shown that its still developing for the PS2 and for Nintendo hardware, so it could go either way. I'm just trying to think from their vantage point.

Nah, their position is likely the same as always during this transition: The old hardware is on the way out, it's had a good run, how about giving the new guy a run? Then it's up to the developers to decide what platform will be best for their title.

You can see SE's approach by looking at where their games are going. The SE leaving Sony is some of the most overblown stuff I've heard in a while, when all they're doing is healing the work on the relationship they've always had.

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I asked before but I'll ask again: What would the possible story-line for Tactics2, or FFTA2 be?

Tactics 2, I have no clue as the original wrapped it up nicely. Unless you change the time period/area where the game occurs. One could have a game that takes place during the time when the technological age came to an end and the era FFT takes place in begins with the last scene being St. Ajora becoming Ajora's host.

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If FFTA2 is as cheesy as Marche's friend from out of town opening the same book and then all of them getting sucked in again, well I'll LOL at that.

Damn, that is alternately incredibly cheesy and possible. Though if they do that, there should be constant trashing of said character for throwing them back into that mess.

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Originally Posted by Cobalt Katze

Awesome Okay now I really need to get a PSP haha.

Balthier a major role in the game? So I guess it's not like how Cloud was included in the original.

Oh shit, Mustadio's got motherfucking competition. Hell their last names are >< close to being the same as well. Maybe he's part of an elaborate sidequest they put into the game?

I'm definitely liking what I'm seeing here, pretty much solidified this purchase.

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Originally Posted by TetraShadow00

Y'no, They are suppose to have the same last name... The only difference is the z's and s's also maybe tha a's and u's... but... Thats all done by the translator...

Bunanza vs Bunansa, not too far apart. I'd wait for the game to see if they kept his name as it was in FFXII or not.

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Also, what i've heard/read/know... is they are of the same family... and gah... Square surely is trying to confuse people...

FFXII doesn't give us enough information to even come close to this. All we have is the last name similarity, as well as their fathers being present in the story along with their firearms use. It could simply be a nod, especially considering the distance between where both pairs live.

I always just considered Balthier and his pops, and his use of guns as a nod to Mustadio (just like Leamonde Entite) rather than somehow directly connected. Who knows? He may be made part of Mustadio's family in order to fit into the world. Sounds like a possible sidequest to me.

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What I'm trying to say is that... Under the impression of the timeline from the director (courtesy of wikipedia)... FFXII takes approx. 1200 years BEFORE...
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ehe... but to have Balthier be an extra such as cloud was during the game... maybe a replacement cloud?... then it's plausable...

though in my preference... it would be nice to form a "Team" of all my favorite characters... which does include Cloud and balthier.

Anyways... Square likes being inconsistant... and I'm slowly getting irratated... Um... Am I forgeting something?

Oh, Mistudio does have compitition... I mean... Balthier's slick looking shirt totally beats his blue overalls and yellow shirt... ahaha...

It's just a cameo, simple as that. Balthier's design does beat the pants off of Mustadio's, as well as his attitude in general (ole Musty is comic relief, for heaven's sake). Anyone know where I can get a scan without the goddamn text all over it? The Balthier art is damn good avatar material.

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Originally Posted by eriol33

Man, reading this entire thread makes me want to buy PSP for the sake of playing FFT only. . But why PSP? why?? I really hope SE will port this to NDS instead of PSP. -__-

This isn't going to happen, that's for sure. I think after SE's done running through the Nintendo FFs (remakes, ports, etc...) they'll start on the later titles and start tossing them on Sony consoles. At least, that's how it looks at the moment.

And while FFTA was no where near FFT, the DS is still getting a new FFT, so they are even in that sense.

Edit: New shots of FFT, and revamped artwork. Definitely snagging these.

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Wow, it looks like Final Fantasy Tactics: The Lion War will have multiplayer along with the other new stuff mentioned before (2 new jobs, Balthier, cutscenes, other things I'm forgetting):

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Famitsu reports that the PSP Final Fantasy Tactics remake has a long awaited feature, multiplayer battles. Before multiplayer matches start players can set up options like trap placement or entirely removing them from the field. When battles begin one side’s forces are highlighted red and the other side is blue so you don’t mistakenly hit your own squire. Something interesting to note is that multiplayer battles have a set number of turns. If both players fail to defeat each other after the turns run out the battle ends. This is probably a good to decision because a turn number forces players to fight and prevents people from running in circles with the bard’s “Move + 3” skill to avoid defeat.

http://www.siliconera.com/index.php/...-the-lion-war/

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Originally Posted by Xaekid

I wonder if there's a new character incoming. In a recent picture there's a small silhoutte besides Balthier. The kanji says "who is this character?"

Some people say it could be Llednar from FFTA. Could it be...?

Damn I want this game so much. I'm all over.

Wow, Xaekid, are you sure? That would be pretty crazy to bring someone from a completely unconnected game

FFTA:

(FFTA isn't real)

. BTW, one link's down and the other leads to some site.

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Originally Posted by Xaekid

Gonna host the pictures in my Photobucket account.

Silhoutte & Llednar

And yeah, I would agree that adding Llednar would be kinda weird but... who knows.

@Denicalis: That would rule.

Wow, so that's another secret playable character besides Balthier? Honestly, you can't really tell. The general look definitely clicks with Llednar, but it looks like whoever it is has one arm uncovered.

It could be Vaan, who knows.

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Anyone seen this scan yet? From what I've heard, Vaan and Penelo are going to show up in FFTA2.

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Ah, looks like the Gria are the all female dragon race people were talking about. And the Seeqs look goofy, even moreso than they normally do anyway.

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