[PS3] PlayStation 3 Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by Slayer X

However, MotorStorm isn't a launch title is it? It would be weird if it wasn't seeing haow it's shipping with the demo kits for places like PSM3 and what not.

MotorStorm was pushed back to December, along with F1, IIRC. There's basically 1 or two big games every month (and countless less notable titles) or two all the way into 2008, so a drought of games is unlikely.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Kilroy

Yes, it's actually quite clever. A palindrom. Just look at it.
And they couldn't call it Dual Shock 3, could they?

Nope, it has no rumble (hence, they couldn't call it Dual Shock), not to mention the whole Immersion case. Very few people, surprisingly, have caught on to the fact that it's a palindrome.

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Hahaha 7 controllers/players. I thought that was a joke. What a strange number. I swear they only picked it because they knew no one else ever would.

8 devices seems to be the Bluetooth limitation, with the PS3 as the 8th. Hence, 7 controllers. That could easily be 7 headsets, keyboards, etc...

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Ok, here's more news this time, coming from Beyond3D's forums:

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Dude I can vouch for the original posters comments and I have my own pictures to back it up. I don't know what regional manager you talked to but they lied big time. I am a manger that was also at the conference I wish that I had taken more than my 1.3 mega pixel cell phone to take pictures of the proceedings. Anyway to authenticate that there was both a blu-ray presence and that Gears of War was great (but no PS3 game) I came away with a little info that may be useful here.

1) The reason that the PS3 already looks as good if not better than the 360 ((according to Valve(Half-Life 2) and Vivendi(F.E.A.R.))) from the booths was that the Cell processor was orignally going to be a graphics processor as well for the PS3 (yes there were originally going to be two in the system) but the developers at the show stated that once NVIDIA joined the Sony ranks they backed off of that plan and decided to let NVIDIA build the RSX instead. Now this is where the rub is though (form the developer's mouths not mine) although the RSX (PS3 graphics card) and the XENOS (XBOX360 graphics card) are comparable the ability to use the Cell to share the rendering of textures and special effects gives the PS3 a decided advantage and that difference will only grow as time passes.

2) Microsoft did have a respectable presence at the show with HDVD. Peter Moore was there and they sponsored our dinner Friday night where they unveiled both the ZUNE (iPOD killer which will be on sale at Gamestop or EB near you just in time for the holidays) and the XBOX360 HDVD drive (which will retail for 199.99 and comes with a copy of King Kong on HDVD and will launch Nov 14). Sony countered this announcement with one of their own though that as of yet I have not seen leaked anywhere else and that is.......(as announced by the lady at the blu-ray booth during our show)....Talladega Nights on BLU-Ray will be included with every PS3 at launch. Also to note after the Microsoft dinner well all got to go hands on with HDVD, Zune, Gears of War (Mulitplayer), WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2007, Splinter Cell D.A., Lost Planet, and some others that I didn't get to play. They were all good and seemed near final builds.

3) As far as PS3 presence goes Sony had the biggest display with Resistance, NBA 07 ( which later became Resistance after nobody wanted to play NBA), Genji, and Motorstorm. Sega had a booth to note which had Virtua Fighter 5 (in video form only) and more interestingly Sonic playable on both PS3 and XBOX360 side by side. One of the managers asked why the PS3 version looked better as far as lighting and contrast and accused Sega of connecting the 360 version up with composite cables and the PS3 with HDMI to make the difference hit home. At which point the rep showed us all that both units were connected with component cables and running on the same make and model television. The skeptics accused him of lying even after he turned the monitors to reveal both rear connections. He later stated that again the difference was the Cell and not the video card at the time.

While I wish there was a better movie included, or at least a game demo disc, at least we're getting something. Oh and I can believe these people acted like 100% trolls when seeing the difference between the two.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Don't reach for the .45 just yet, SOLDIER! There's stuff that's sure to cool you down. Famitsu got to compare the PS3's size to the the PS2 and they're surprisingly close. Oh and the on/off button isn't even a button... it's a thermosensor.















This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Here's some interesting news, pertaining to Blu-Ray movies releasing around the PS3's launch date as well as Talladega Nights being one of the first dual layer Blu-Ray movies. Something for those of you who are going to make some use out of the console's movie playback capabilities.

Edit: Don't get excited by the news that'll follow this, but supposedly Wipeout for the PS3 is/will be running at 1080p @ 60fps according to one cat. IMO, I wouldn't trust this, but he claims they have a machine in the office he works at. Whoops. This is the same guy that first leaked PS3 shots with his cellphone shown here. The other info:

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today i came up with the idea to connect my ipod shuffle to the ps3. unfortunate it doesnt work. well not with the beta software we are having here on it.

and didnt i said all along the ps3 was quit

and those overheating problems. give me a break. we have the unit now for like 3 weeks. no overheating problems at all. it hasnt stopped even once! longest time we had it on was ike 36 hours. no video skipping at all. ofcours we dont have games here. but you get the point. besides who plays 36 hours straight

oh 1 more tiny thing.

Wipe Out next generation 1080P / 60 frames a second.

Edit #2: 1Up.com hands on with PS3 (pics after the impressions):

1Up impressions.

Originally Posted by 1Up.com

One of the many problems with covering a new piece of hardware within the confines of a show like E3 or TGS is that you don't really get a feel for what it would be like if that system was sitting in your entertainment center at home. Fortunately, I and other members of OPM recently got some sweet, delicious donuts alone time with the PlayStation 3 far from the crowds and the noisy convention halls, and I've come away thinking only one thing--I want a PS3 really, really bad. November 17th can't come soon enough.

Just a few nuts and bolts--the system is quite large, easily matching (if not surpassing) the girth of the 360 and the original XBox, but oh man, is it quiet. The cooling fan emits a pretty subtle noise and the disc access noise is equally subdued. Before you say, "who f'n cares how loud it is,"my 360 is a tad on the loud side, to the point that it sounds like a wheelchair with rusty breaks, storming out of control down a ramp. It's nice to know that I won't have to crank up my speakers to drown it out. Also, as was pointed out by some colleagues across the pond, it does indeed "eat" the discs quickly.

As for the overheating issue, I'd say that the problems reported at TGS were because of the conditions within the convention center (it gets pretty damn warm in some areas) and our recent experience with the system seems to go along with that. The PS3 does get a little toasty under its belly, but not so much that it will instantly vaporize your cat, dog, or some other animal if it were to venture a little too close. But I will say that it's probably not a good idea to set this thing on a carpet.

There's so much more to say, but that's about it for now. You'll have to check out our December issue or listen to upcoming episodes of RadiOPM where we'll discuss some of the other details.

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In a rather surprising, last-minute announcement, leading the BD-50 charge will be 'Click,' which streets next Tuesday, October 10. Though originally expected to be a BD-25, single-layer disc only, the release will in fact be dual-layer and come packed with all the same bonus features as its standard DVD.

Sony will follow that up with 'Talladega Nights,' which was announced last week for a December 12 release, as well as what the studio will be calling its "flagship" BD-50 title, 'Black Hawk Down,' due November 14.

Both 'Talladega Nights' and 'Black Hawk Down' will feature a wealth of bonus content shot exclusively in high-definition. 'Black Hawk Down' will also be the first Sony title to feature the Blu-ray format's proprietary "Blu-Wizard" authoring environment, which promises to deliver extensive interactive content new to the format.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by avanent

Is that really needed? Seems kind of like a waste of technology, as well as a sort of 'cool' worthless ploy feature. And whats wrong with buttons >.>
I like buttons... I know they work good.

This is the sort of thing that bothers me... >.>

Well, wording it like that we could say we don't need:

• Vibration
• Progressive Scan
• HD Resolutions
• Analog Sticks
• Shoulder Buttons
• Wireless controllers

And so on and so forth. Complacency really hasn't done much for the industry, since it was expressed back when the above points were first introduced.

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Loudness never seemed to bother me, but I guess if a system is too loud, it could ruin the feel in a more quiet subdued atmosphere.

It plays movies, it has to be quiet or else it'll be a chore watching them.

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Would it not be smarter to release a blu-ray movie with the system that is actually shot in High-Def; as most people dont bother with extras.

Movies are often shot at resolutions far above that of standard HD resolutions. These are no exceptions. There's no reason to complain about a pack-in. Don't like it? Throw it away or boil it in molten plastic.

Here's some online tidbits from RadiOPM:

Podcast of the show.

Originally Posted by RadiOPM

--They are using Gamespy in some capacity that I can't really understand
--The system logs you in upon boot-up of the machine automatically (he thinks that can be changed)
--Stats will be tied to your user profile, he isn't sure of the "final name" of this on the PS3 system
--Stats and stat tracking is all done through "the Playstation Network"
--When you log in, and you are an active online member, you get to view a browser to pick your games and stuff
--Stats get uploaded to gamespy (?) so you can view leaderboards
--Can access stats from game website
--No achievements in Full Auto 2 because moving target forced (online platform not finalized?) focus on online network play
--FULL AUTO 2 1080p!

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by SOLDIER

So basically, Ricky Bobby and Black Hawk Down are the first two "real" Blu Ray movies. In that case, it's obvious why they chose the former and not the latter. I hope they'll at least have hi def trailers for future BR movies.



Okay...so what does that mean?

Both movies are full featured, not barebones, especially given the discs they're on. There will be a few on there.

Thermo

Sensor

With the two definitions side by side it should be obvious, by now, what it is. Instead of pressing something, you touch the sensor with your finger and your body heat turns it on.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by avanent

Not really... a thermosensor doesn't improve play in anyway.

Neither do the first three on that list.

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Even thoguh I don't care for the move to wirless controllers, at least it improves play as the wire can no longer be tripped over or be pulled at (affect the system, getting unplugged/yanking the system around).

Sounds like someone's stretching to me, since that doesn't "enhance" gameplay in the least

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Gameplay includes all player experiences during the interaction with game systems, especially formal games. Proper use is coupled with reference to "what the player does"

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Likewise, while I don't think the mass public is ready for HD, it is an improvement upon the visuals which is beneficial overall.

And that's the category in which features like wireless controllers, harddrives, internet access, pressue-sensitive buttons fall into. While not necessary in the least, they've become welcome additions to the gaming experience (ie: sitting down and using your console).

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Honestly, I dont know what progressive scan does... so... maybe its an accurate comparison.

Back when it first showed up, people made the same argument about it as you're doing with this switch. Needless to say, no one is lamenting it's existance.

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A thermosensor majigger is just an expensive replacement for a button... it doesn't improve upon anything, and isn't likely cheaper than a standard button.

Can you share with us the knowledge you're privy to that makes you certain this is more expensive than a button?

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Didn't think about that... then again the 360 is supose to be a movie player too :ashamed:

And so is the PS2 and PSTwo, both of which are quieter than the 360. One company is simply focused on making the hardware as quiet as possible for frequent movie playback.

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Well, as far as marketing strategies go... if your going to try and push a new format... wouldn't you want to do something which might actually be a noticable improvement over the current standard... especially if your asking 2-3x as much per disc.

You're uninformed, and it shows. There's plenty of resources online to use to get yourself up to speed on the formats. And since you brought up marketing, that's the reason why Talladega was picked, if you look at the box office turnout for the movie and the demographic that watched it.

You can argue with someone else, since I've seen the way these things go and they're of no benefit to the thread.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Chairman Kaga

That explains why it costs at least $500.

Cell + RSX, that's why.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Chairman Kaga

God damn it people - who don't have a sense of humour, and think every post is serious business.


You forgot bluray.

No, for the simple fact that it's only different from a regular drive in that it has an ultraviolet laser array. But this is OT, if you really want to know, PM me.

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Regarding the overheating issue at TGS. A friend went the game show, but didn't say anything about it. But that's not to say it's not true.

There are already quite a few people who went to the show that can attest to how hot it was and the security concerns overriding ventilation for the booths. Throw in unstable game code and you have crashes.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Slayer X

I don't even know about that. Both GameSpot and IGN have complimented as to how smooth the PS3 games ran, even the ones that don't release until like Q2 '07. They both said that they never experianced any slowdowns at any time during TGS. GameTrailers said the same thing on their weekly report too.

Yup. It's getting to the point where you can see people who are walking around with some sort of agenda in their hands versus those that report what they saw and played. We've even got folks that went firsthand over on GAF and their reports came well before these writeups and essentially said the same thing.

With all this in mind, it's easy to see those who are intentionally spreading FUD.

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Anyway, it looks like we'll get online details the 19th, after that news from RadiOPM basically confirms its existance. As for that Wipeout news being true, I doubt it, but you never now. It's from the same person who took those PS3 shots so it's just something to keep an eye on.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Cobalt Katze

Maybe it starts lighting up 2 lights if you're player 5, 6 or 7

4+1, 4+2, 4+3 *shrug*

Maybe the LEDs are different colors? Or it could be that they're simply indicators to show which player you are when plugged in via USB. Heck it may just be the charge status indicator.

Double Post:
PS3 interface video, Resistance: Fall of Man retail demo loop and PS3 x Xbox 360 coitus:

Both the interface video, and the Xbox 360/PS3 size comparison are in the following link.

http://www.gamesradar.com/us/ps3/gam...4115917309058#

Resistance: Fall of Man looping retail demo (full of madness and blinking start indicator!)

http://www.gamesradar.com/us/videopl...05171140624036

Resistance: Fall of Man "Sniper" gameplay (notice the shoot 'em up-like waves of bullets coming from down below)

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/6695

Downloadable Resistance:FOM looping demo:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.ph...AA19C20591FF5D

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

No problem, I was just surprised how far this thread slipped down. It's probably because edit/automerge doesn't function as a regular post. Another interesting thing to note, is that OPM (U.S. OPM), has the review copy of Resistance and confirms 1080p native.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

New info on White Knight Story from the headhoncho of Level 5, Akihiro Hino. This man's statement at the end rings true, it's no wonder why L5 is so damn good with someone like this at the helm.

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Speaking with Japan's Weekly Famitsu magazine, Akihiro Hino, president of developer Level 5 and producer of White Knight Story, said that he hopes to make a game with a 50 to 60 hour play time, which he referred to as a typical play time for an RPG. "With White Knight Story, we don't want to release a half-way product," said Hino. "We want to have a big title that surpasses the volume of the RPGs we've made in the past."

So White Knight clearly won't be some rushed first generation RPG project. But Level 5 apparently had pressure to do just that, with Hino revealing that there was some talk of attempting to get the game out around the time of the PS3's launch. In order to meet the launch, Hino says, Level 5 would've had to cut the story short, which is something he didn't want to do.

While Hino didn't share any new details on White Knight with the magazine, he did provide some insight into his personal gaming tastes. When asked what games he's paying attention to on other hardware, he responded with Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey, citing the need to match the "extremely beautiful visuals" in those titles.

Hino didn't have anything bad to say about any of the current and upcoming hardware. "The Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3, the DS and the PSP... I think this will be the most exciting year end period ever."

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by avanent

oh? Are they really that cheap?

I guess I'm just suspicious of something I can't push... I happen to like buttons

Yes, contrary to popular belief, little things like that really don't add that much cost to a product versus the image improvement they receive as a result of their inclusion. That's why it was laughable when people said to drop the card readers/usb ports in the PS3 to get the price down.

Oh, here's what the Japanese PS3 model comes with in the box:

Scroll down a bit and you'll see it.

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Lieferumfang der japanischen PS3

07.10.06 - Japanische Fachgeschäfte haben in einer Broschüre Informationen von Sony erhalten, was sich im Lieferumfang der PS3 befinden soll (Änderungen bis zur Auslieferung sind noch möglich).

- PS3 Hardware
- 1 x Controller
- 1 x USB Kabel (z.B. für Anschluss von PSP)
- 1 x Stereo AV Kabel
(Stereo AV, Component, D-Terminal, Multi-Terminal)
Ein HDMI-Kabel ist separat erhältlich
- 1 x LAN Kabel
- 1 x Stromkabel

I see:

Edit: Well, the AV cable thing's been clarified. It's the typical Playstation cable with the proprietary plug at one end, but at the other end it has all those connections (Stereo A/V Composite, Component, D-Terminal, Multi-Terminal). In the U.S. we'll probably just get a version of this with only composite and component at the connection end.

1 Controller
1 USB cable (probably the charging cable)
1 Stereo AV cable (This is confusing since it lists a ton of other stuff. Are they all on the end of the same cable, all you German folk?)
1 Lan/Ethernet cable
1 Power cord

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Slayer X

Wow, lots of stuff!

Avanent: lol, that's ok.

MetalSphere: You should also post that White Knight Story infor in it's thread in the RPG area.

Alright, I'll go and put it up now. I'm sure there's some more news to put up here anyway, I've been gone a bit.

FELIPE NO

Here's one of the first PS3 ads seen in New York City. The font is terrible in terms of showing the date, but the PS3 is pretty clear there. A rather "meh" advertisement.

And, again, for my fellow New Yorkers, it seems like the PS3 will be playable at DigitalLife (Oct 12-15th).

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HOLY SHIT. The code INSIDER2006 works, just got free tickets now.

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For anyone living remotely close to NYC, there's a HUGE gaming and technology event, DigitalLife, taking place at the Javits Center from October 12 - 15. Sony is one of the main sponsors (along with 175 others).

Rumors are that they'll have a few PS3 for people to play, like they did at E3.

Tickets are $15, BUT, use this code and get 'em for free: INSIDER2006

digitallife.com

Enjoy!

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Slayer X

Unless your GFF bio is incorrect, why would you need free tickets to something you can't go to??? lol

(still cool that the code works though)

Eh? I'm a student, but I don't have classes on the first or second day. Or do you mean something else? I haven't updated my GFF info in a good bit.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Colonel Skills

He's probably refering to your Dominican Republic flag.

Yeah, he PMed me about it. I can see why it'd be sort of confusing. On the heels of the interview with Akihiro Hino above, we've got a ton of new White Knight Story art:













































There's nowhere I can't reach.

Thanks to BlimBlim from Xboxyde and Playsyde, we've got a nice glimpse at non-God mode gameplay of Resistance from TGS. I don't know, but it seems like the reports of it being a bit on the difficult side look to be true watching the video.

Here it is.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Rock

This is a perfect example why traditional FPS control is horrible on consoles. While the game itself looks beautiful, it also seems to be no fun at all played with the controller. Just look at those clumsy movements and the pathetic attempt at trying to aim at something.

To be fair, this was at TGS, in a country that isn't very fond of FPSs. Chances are the guy was a total or semi-newb in the genre, period.

If you did the same things he did in Insomniac's other shooter titles (R&C), you'd be skewered like that too. Just not as severely as he got mobbed at the end.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Sony's apparently begun a viral marketing campaign, starting with the site PlayB3yond.com. I have no idea what it means, but it matches the general look of the other PS3 ads seen elsewhere.

Here are shrunken versions of scans that popped up online of Skate. I'm hearing that it's in 1080p but can't seem to find any solid evidence of it. Not any official quotes, nada. Oh well, here are the scans and the links to the larger ones:


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I was speaking idiomatically.

Devil May Cry 4 move explanation from TGS, with english over it to explain what it says:

720p @ 50fps off-screen video of DMC4 at TGS (Presentation):
http://www.playsyde.com/news_3670_en.html

720p @ 50fps video of DMC4 (Gameplay):
http://www.playsyde.com/news_3675_en.html





It looks real nice, that's for sure. Oh, it's not exclusive, though most would realize that since it's an EA title. Here's some scans from Edge magazine on Motorstorm. Here's the PS3 price for Sonic, and here is the Xbox 360 version's price. It's probably a database error.


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Some new images of Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire for you Gundam fans:



















How ya doing, buddy?

I've heard a worrying rumor that EBGames/Gamestop employees are going to be given first dibs on the launch units. If that's so, there's going to be even less for us and we'll end up seeing those machines on Ebay for $1000+

FELIPE NO

Here's some choice quotes from Ted Price's blog. He's the CEO of Insomniac, developer of the Spyro and Ratchet games along with Resistance: Fall of Man.

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I suppose that what I can tell you is that we’ve been working on both Ratchet & Clank and Resistance concurrently. Hopefully we’ll be able to show you new stuff in a few months. I can also say that Ratchet environments and characters look absolutely beautiful on the PS3.

Fantasic news for all you R&C fans out there.

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If you're playing co-op on widescreen the screen will be split vertically (players are side by side). If you're playing co-op on a 4:3 TV the screen will be split horizontally (player 1 is on top, player 2 is on the bottom). Your guess was exactly right.

Finally, split-screen done right.

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We will be supporting headsets. But we won't be supporting mouse and keyboard. The reason we're not supporting mouse and keyboard is that the SP game would have to be tuned completely differently for those playing with mouse & keyboard and the MP game would end up unbalanced between those using the two separate control schemes.

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Why doesn’t Sony buy Insomniac?

A) We're not interested in selling, B) they're probably not interested in buying and C) if it ain't broke, don't fix it! ... there is a lot of trust between the two companies - we definitely have an "old school" way of doing business together and it works well.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?