[PS3] PlayStation 3 Discussion Thread

White Knight Story looks simply fantastic, and I have faith in Level 5 to turn out what will be a great experience. They've already shown themselves to have remarkable range in talent, and the improvements between their games are surprising to say the least.

SOLDIER, you have more info on that conference? What news could possibly brighten was one of the worst keynotes around? All the great footage was shown after, he babbled for an entire hour, and many of the games took a nosedive in quality. The ones that got better saw a jaw dropping improvement, however.

A very good piece of news is that the $600 is largely, pointless. The 20GB model has HDMI outputs now, so it's capable of playing HD movies without worrying about ICT issues. That and all the pork (cheesy chrome trim, wi-fi, storage card readers, etc) has been cut, so you're left with the PS3 proper.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Well, don't get your hopes up. Wada may simply be attending, that all. Now, if we get word that he's announcing something, then it'll get interesting.

But really, what kind of news?

Exclusivity?
Controller details?
Online network?

WHITE KNIGHT STORY TRAILER GAIS

(The screens don't do it justice)Right Click Here

Screenshots (Way to go Level 5):










I fucking hate Sony. I swear, this lineup stretches well into 2008.

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Same way I feel. This has literally blown all of that out of my mind. Like Skills said, it's genuinely got me considering a PS3.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Skills

I agree wholeheartedly with that. If the E3 vids were this interesting, I might have cared enough to put aside some serious scratch for a PS3 at launch too. But now it is too late!. ;____;

Way too late. The PS3's going to be sold out until March, I can feel it in my bones. I'm probably going to go for the $500 model now that it's literally the definitive version (the $600 is now the "tard pack").

BTW, this looked like moving art.

Edit: SOLDIER, take what I put near the trailer to heart. The screens don't do it justice.

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER

Saying that isn't going to make the download run any faster.

If it helps any, I'm going to be posting more screenshots at the tail end of this post.

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I'm willing to settle for the $500 model myself, but one question would clinch it for me; will you be able to attach any HD you want? If that was the case, then I could easily wait until Office Max runs one of their usual specials and purchase a 100GB Maxtor for just 20 bucks. And I have an ethernet adaptor for my PS2, so I don't require the built-in wifi either.

Yes, both models have HDD bays on the bottom for removable HDDs.

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Also, I checked with my Gamestop yesterday, and they claim that PS3/Wii preorders should start in early October, as Southjag mentioned before.

Heh, gonna spring on that real nice... Well, here's the screenshots!










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Originally Posted by SOLDIER

Resplendant. $100 saved then, good towards launch games and/or the Wii.

It's very clear at this point that the console war between Nintendo and Sony is going to be one of Form vs Function. Nintendo will delight with quirky games that will make use of the remote, while Sony will astonish with visuals that truly replicate the kind of CG imagery commonplace in movies.

It's a good thing we can enjoy the best of both worlds. It's the dawning of a brave new world.

Well, let's keep on eys on the prize, shall we? I don't this to turn into a PS3 vs Wii brawl when the best solution is to have both.

Anyways, for those of you worrying about an HDMI cable for the $500 model (or $600 model), just go to Monoprice.com and you can get loads of Home Theater stuff there for cheap. They sell in individual pieces (cheap) or in bulk (cheaper) and the quality of their products is top-notch.

Oh and Congratulations PS3 thread for reaching 50 pages.

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You bastards are robbing my post ideas. One thing that they may want to fix is the attacks in battle. They looked like they lacked any sort of power or force behind them. TTP nails it with Link's slashes. It's not really a critique, just make the attacks a tad bit more violent. BTW, Lost Odyssey is unbelievably close to being CG, yet it's realtime.

Hopefully this lights a fire under SE's ass to make FFXIII exceptional.

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER

You mean they looked like normal, human battles (minus the airborne special attack and the henshin Knight), which is a good thing. Not every RPG hero can fly a thousand feet in the air while slicing entire buildings in half.

Nah just a little more force in the blow, have an animation the the character taking a heavy step or some action indicating exertion.

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And Lost Odyssey was decent, but didn't carry over the transition from FMV to realtime very well. The worst part was watching the ingame battles, where the main guy slashes at thin air instead of the enemy, followed by numbers indicating damage. Going for that classic RPG feel? Nope, just laziness.

It's got time to grow, like FFXIII and White Knight Story.

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Well I'm out for the night. Keep the thread updated, guys, I hope to wake up to even more good news.

Night.

Oh and for those of you still awake, here's pictures of GT4:HD.

Let me explain. GT4:HD is simply GT4 with HD assets, tracks, cars. The problem is, you have to buy cars through microtransactions. You buy the game with 0 cars present.

GT4: Premium is basically GT5: Prologue. Assets built from the ground up for the PS3 and it shows. The following screenshots are of GT4:HD.







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Have a look athe the boxart for GT:HD (and a look at the format of the cases, no less):



The PS3 strip widely criticized has been thinned out considerably and pushed more towards the spine. The case is shorter and thinner than DVD cases. Overall, it looks nice. Hopefully that transparent case look won't stick.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Err, the White Knight trailer is all gameplay folks, just so you know. Level 5's been working on it for a good bit, since reportedly it's 70% complete.

FFXIII BTW, the shots below are all realtime. This has been confirmed by many at the event, along with the new locales shown in the trailer.

Originally Posted by IGN

The trailer for FFXIII was essentially a remixed version of the E3 trailer, with added scenes to show off more gameplay. The trailer started off in a speeding train much like the E3 trailer, but quickly shifted to other locations, such as a populated city. The trailer also showed how the heroine is able to move with such accuracy and speed; she uses a special device that allows her to literally levitate when she's not moving, and it also lets her move faster than normal. This might make sense in battles; the game still uses menu-driven combat, and it's possible that while making decisions on what to do, the game will go into slow motion a la The Matrix while it waits for your commands. The trailer ended in the same fashion as the E3 original, with our heroine squaring off against a giant monster. Overall it was a cool trailer, but there wasn't a lot of footage that suggested how the game is going to be played.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Ok, here's some more news guys. While it may not interest some, or most of you, Ridge Racer 7 is also running at 1080p at 60fps. If you want proof, here it is running on Sony's new (and ridiculously expensive) XBR2s:

BTW, I can't wait for Ace Combat 06. I wouldn't surprised if it looks startlingly photorealistic.

RR7 TGS trailer (looking a bit better than RR6):
http://www.playsyde.com/leech_3051_1_en.html



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Yes, XBR2. XBR1 was last year's SXRD sets. RXBR is the Premium SXRD sets for this year and XBR2 are the top of the line (flat out gorgeous styling and picture) LCDs.

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Not to mention, downscaling 720p or 1080p gives people playing on CRT sets free FSAA (or is it MSAA). Either way, aliasing will likely be less noticeable on regular televisions.

New pictures of the PS3 box, controller, console and cases:

Both PS3 models have trim, the cheaper one having black trim.

















The Blu-Ray logo is etched into the upper left of the boxes, above the black strip. Overall, it looks really fucking nice.

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Apparently, this game has got many an X-Naut (lol, TYD reference) pissed off. The game I'm talking about is Ninja Gaiden Black: Sigma which is basically an uber-enhanced port of the widely acclaimed title. And this thing is running at 1080p @ 60fps.


Resistance: Fall of Man boxart -



Gundam: Target in Sight boxart -




And here we though most games would only be 720p.

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Where's the Lair footage? I heard about the upcoming event sometime in October. Hopefully some sort of megaton will be dropped there or at least fleshed out launch details.

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Originally Posted by BlueBomber

2 HDMI ports on the 60 GB PS3?
(Half way down the page)

Interesting...I've never heard of this 'letter box' setup before. What's it used in? Do you guys really think this is plus, or do you think that it just raises the price of the 60 GB model? I know that I would never use two HD TV's lined up next to one another...(Hell. I would never be able to even afford two HD TV's ! Not anytime soon, anyways.)

Damn near useless, further cementing the $600 as a "status" item jam-packed full of pork.

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Originally Posted by BlueBomber

Well, I sort of agree. I was just thinking though, wouldn't this be amazing for multiplayer? I mean, you would only need a single PS3 and a single game for something similar to a Halo LAN party (blasphemy!). I don't know. I hate to say it, but I'm usually the kind of guy who goes for the better/more expensive version of almost anything I purchase. I think I may be doomed to the 60 GB version . Unless I get lucky on Christmas...

Make it well known you want a 20GB PS3, or the cheap one. Play to the fact that you want them to save money, they'll figure out which is the lower priced model. And price = quality. Bose is proof enough of that.

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PS3 is MUTE.
Just read this via Evil Avatar. Honestly, this is a pretty big plus for me. My roomate has an X-Box 360, and whenever I play it I literally have to turn up the volume on our surround sound just to drown out the noise the console creates. The external power brick is also annoying as hell - glad to see the PS3 eliminating this annoyance. This is one reason the PS3 is so massive, I guess.

Yeah, it's been known already. The PS3 was tested at UL, and that was the consensus. Then there was some sort of leak at another place where it was being tested with Blu-Ray movies on loop and it was still cool and quiet after 28 straight hours.

Here's a little treat for all of you, 720p Resistance trailer:

http://blog.hinjang.com/media/files/...ce_trailer.wmv

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Originally Posted by Vash

Question, I plan on using the PS3 solely for games and movies (since I hear it has other functions, none of which really interest me, personally), so is the 20GB version fine for that? Or is the 60GB version better just because it has more memory for games?

Get the 20GB model. If all you're going to use it for is games and movies, as the console should've been from the get go, then you'll be set with the cheaper unit.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Not a problem, most people seem to have these questions since Sony's not going to fully clarify launch details until the October event they're planning.

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The PS3's backwards compatibility was touched on way back at E3 '05. Here's basically what was touched on:

• 13k titles to emulate (PS1 and PS2 numbers shown, I think it was 7k and 6k)
• PS1 Emulation achieved via software emulation
• PS2 Emulation achieved via hardware present in the PS3 (it's assumed Sony's simply dropping the PSTwo's Dragon chip, basically the EE+GS combined, into the unit)

We'll see clarification at that event in October. This is one of many issues on people's minds. Online is another vague area.

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Yeah, I'm sure most people keeping abreast of PS3 news would've seen them. It's not unlikely that Sony will have the best BC out of the three.

It's just that specifics matter, and so do demonstrations, so we have to wait a bit more for that.

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Originally Posted by SouthJag

Haven't they [Sony] said that the PS3's anti-aliasing capabilities will transfer over to PS1 and PS2 titles, making the jaggies appear less in number and smoother?

They mentioned there will likely be enhancements that could be applied to PS1 or 2 titles played on the machine. One of which is assumed to be AA, but what level of AA is unknown. This one alone would make many PS2 games look much better (SOTC) and it'd help the vast majority of PS1 games become playable.

I imagine the other may have to do with textures, loading, etc.. Not much you can add, though a more technically oriented person can chime in to point out other potential benefits.

Here's some fun Motorstorm gifs:





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Originally Posted by JazzFlight

Wait, but if they're running ps2 through hardware, then why such low backwards compatibility? It should be up in the high 90% mark then, right?

Actually, on the slide where I got this information from, they expect a 95-98% compatibility rate. Many games on the PS2 were made by working all the way down to the metal and these titles would literally not work (or become buggy) if it was tried via software emu. Of course, only select devs did this to achieve certain visuals or effects. Plus, the Dragon chip is ridiculously cheap and small to put in the PS3.

If there's compatibility problems, I'll expect it from the software side of things, no doubt.

And, as I'm sure there will be a PSThree, there will be a drastic size decrease this time due to two things:

1. Internal power supply. This will be moved to a power brick outside, making the console far smaller and lighter.

2. Process shrinks will get the PPU and SPEs working well enough that they'll be able to make smaller boards. IIRC, the PS3's PPU is 90nm now though it's predicted they'll switch to 65nm sometime next year.

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Yup, moving the power supply out of the machine would solve two things:

• Space
• Heat

Without it inside, there will be far less heat to be exhausted. Even though the Cell itself was designed with thermal management in mind (this was the reason why the 3.2Ghz spec was chosen, the best compromise between performance and heat), it would only benefit from this. You'd need a far less robut (read: expensive) cooling setup, which would no doubt save even more money. The shell itself will require less material.

And lastly, it'll help the console's aesthetics. While it looks nice now, there's quite a bit of room for it to improve.

Apparently Capcom did some last minute texture/polish:





DMC4 Conference rundown While it says emulator there, all 12 PS3s running the demo showed no signs of slowdown.

Here's some full resolution (720p) screenshots, considering there are actually folks out there who believed the game was running at something wonky like 1000 x 620.















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My goodness, that little "tech-heads" part got a chuckle out of me because of my username.

Basically, Linux will be installed on the consoled flash memory and will be seperated from the default OS. I remember reading way back about how Sony built security measures into the metal or hardware itself. Too foggy now, but this reminds me of that. Hopefully Cetra chimes in, since his comments are often especially insightful on these matters.

Here's confirmation of $60 PS3 games (you can rest easy guys worrying about N64/SNES-level prices)

The entire article, translated by Dr_No of GAF:

Originally Posted by Dr_No

Put it in the other thread. . .sorry for the delay:

Edit: more translations added.




Sorry, I should have translated on my original post, but I'm at work and didn't have time then (I was posting from a meeting). Here's quick run-down, some of the stuff we already knew but is further confirmed. The article itself is actually a summary of interviews, information taken from WatchImpress' TGS coverage. I'm not a technical person as far as graphics are concerned so excuse me for translation errors.

As the image shows, the OS will be run off the flash memory that is on the PS3 instead off the optical media like the PS2. There is also another seperate install of OS on the HDD (Linux), the Cell OS will be locked from the Linux OS to prevent piracy. But Sony is promoting homebrew on the PS3 (unlike the PSP), the article states that they want the PS3 to be a computing platform like Windows/Mac and Linux. Also confirmed that cell Hypervisor will be included on the flash memory of the PS3, which I guess is kinda like Microsoft's Virtual Server and EMC's VMware.

http://www.research.ibm.com/hypervisor/

Also the article goes into some hurdles PS3 developers had to go through. First it goes into "SDK 0.93", article says SDK 1.00 was suppose to be released by TGS, by the latest release was 0.93. Also states developers were using 7800GTX, says the shader performance is very good but the memory interface of the RSX is 128-bit with 8 ROP, they are stating they are having memory bandwidth problems are have some bottle necks. Says developers are having exact opposite problems with the PS3 compared with the 360, where they aren't having no memory bandwidth problems due to the 10BM eDRAM but have shaper performance issues compared to the PS3. Saying they are lacking in Shader ALU performance and having stalls due to not having enough "threading resources".


Also predicted that there will be a dramatic reduction of high-end PS3 sales due the 20GBs added feature of HDMI. Looking at the user who is looking to buy the PS3 for a Blu-ray experience as well, the 20GB model has become much more attractive with the addition of HDMI.

Looking at the situation of increased PS3 game prices, as originally reported on WatchImpress, later spreading to all corners of the internet (sometimes very negatively), regarding high PS3 game prices. Increased prices for games from the previous generation is inevidable. Third party developers have stated licening fees for the PS3 may be more expensive then PS2. However, discussed is that Sony cannot take licencing fees from applications made for Linux, however there are still questions about how the entire dynamics of the licencing sytem will work.

Ridger Racer 7 shots from ruliweb, as well as some IGN screens.























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