[DS] How do you get 3,000 pikachus on a bus? POKEMON!

Empelt is weak? Where are you guys getting the base stats for these guys?

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I'll wait to see the base stats along with the moves before deciding anything, as I wouldn't be surprised if the moveset is what makes the biggest difference (like seeing some Ice moves for Empelt). The Ice is damn near inevitable, seeing what kind of animal it's based on and he's already water, so that covers both Dodaitoise and Goukazaru.

It's going to get steel moves, too to take care of other types. While what you said is true, it'll have trouble, it's also the most balanced of the three just looking at the types and strengths/weaknesses and potential against others (Steel).

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Originally Posted by Acro-nym

How does Water handle Dodaitoise? It's not weak to it.

You misread it. Because of what he is, he'll get an ice move (probably Ice Beam) that takes care of Dodaitoise and the water aspect deals with Goukazaru. Sure he's vulnerable against both, but his moveset pool has the greatest chance of making him the best of them. His steel type essentially grants him a very good defensive position without producing a double whammy situation like old 'toise.

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Typo, most likely. That really isn't happening, especially with the Wii and even worse... the PS3 launching mid-November too.

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Originally Posted by Kaleb.G

Also, when are AGNPH and ch.9 going to make goods on the new pokemon? I'm waiting.

AGNPH? Ch. 9? I'm waiting for Sugimori's artwork to start pouring online so I can get a better look at these things.

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Here's an updated and comprehensive of pokemon in the game. The last one, #493 has a ridiculously high base stat of 720, easily making it a candidate for a secret event. Source for nearly all the sprites in the game, at least before you get the National Dex anyway.



Korinku [Electric]:


Rukushio [Electric]:


Rentoraa [Electic]:


#493, Aruseus [Normal] (Base stat 720):


Aruseus, attacking [Normal]:


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Originally Posted by Acro-nym

I have a few questions/comments.

The Fukamaru evolution set shouldn't be compared to Salamence's. Shelgon evolves into Salamence at level 50, not level 55 like the other first-to-second evolutions included in the sets mentioned.

Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy follows the Tyrantitar/Dragonite/Metagross level path rather than Salamence's. It does look analogous to the positions those pokemon had in their games.

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At what level will Rhydon evolve? Currently, Rhyhorn evolves at level 42.

Rhydon evolves via trade holding the item "Protector". He becomes Rock/Ground instead of just Rock. I don't know why they'd do that since isn't that a quad weakness against water?

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How does the Minomucchi thing work? I assume each version of it can be caught as both male and female. The male only has one evolution. The female, after evolving, has a split path like Gloom. Is that close?

Male Minomucchi simply evolve into Garmeil. Female Minomucchi, depending on region, become Minomadamu of that region (with the corresponding type). I wouldn't be surprised if the male Minomucchi only come in one color, and that in the following game there are splits for him making Garmeil any number of types as well.

Don't confuse these with Mitsuhoney or Biikuin (literally, BeeQueen). You could say it's like Gloom's split evo. The only difference here is that the starting point just has different colors to denote what it'll become.

Aruseus [Normal]:


Darkrai [Dark]:


??? [Grass]:


Kureseria [Psychic] (According to reports, she runs as soon as you walk up to her on Full Moon island, so she's a runner):


Diaruga [Steel/Dragon]:


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Originally Posted by Acro-nym

Okay. So they've taken the Seadra/Kingdra approach.

Yup. Gligar evolves into Glion if it's holding the Sharp Claw item at night when it levels. The same applies to Sneasel evolving into Weavile. Eevee evolves into Leafia by having it touch a giant, immovable mossy stone in the southwest while Glacia evolves by making it touch a giant frozen rock in the north.

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Rhydon is Ground/Rock, not just Rock. Its high defense does not help it with the quadruple damage it receives from Water and Grass attacks.

Wow, looks like I need to brush up on my old pokemon types. Looks like he's in the same situation with the quad weakness as Dodaitoise against Empelt (which seems to be the popular choice for whatever reason).

Here are the fossil pokemon:

Zugaidosu [Rock]:


Ramparudo [Rock] (Some folks say this thing's abilty is Negate:


Tatetopsu [Rock/Steel]:


Toridepusu [Rock/Steel]:


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Originally Posted by Acro-nym

Would it have been too hard to have us use the Leaf Stone? That was all I wanted...

Yeah, I don't particularly get why needed to force us to train near the rock just to get Leafia when the stones are readily available. Here's some more info:




Togetic evolves into Togekiss via Light Stone (new) and becomes a Normal/Flying type.

I have to fix the info from before about the Sharp Claw, since it's actually the Sharp Fang item.



Give Female Snorunts an awakening stone and they become the Ice/Ghost type, Yukimenoko. I'm assuming all female Glalies will remain such. What's glaringly obvious is that this opens another split path for male Snorunts in the future. So we'll end up having a female exclusive evo, mixed gender exclusive and then male.

Give Male Kirlias an awakening stone and level them and they'll become the Psychic/Fighting type Erureido (sounds like Air Raid). The stats are the same as Gardevoir's except Att and Sp. Att values are switched.

RegiGigas can only be awakened and fought if you obtained and transferred all three Regis from the R/S/E games.

Giratina, the Ghost/Dragon is the 3rd counterpart to Diaruga and Parukia. Essentially, he's like the Rayquaza of D/P.

Hiidoran has a gender, so this looks like one of the first gendered legendaries.

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Originally Posted by Crash Landon

Well, you'd have to account for why a Leaf Stone never worked throughout all the previous versions. So an entirely new method was necessary.

Damn, good point. Wouldn't this happen to apply to Espeon and Umbreon too, now that there are Light/Dark stones?

I was thinking about Erureido and the new attack system where they're based on where physical contact between the pokemon is made or not. Would this mean we'll get to see psychic punches, because his Sp. Att is going to be too low to pull off a respectable Confusion or Psychic.

Edit: Rumblings going around are saying that there's a duplication glitch in D/P too which can be taken advantage of by depositing a pokemon in the computer, saving and then changing the DS' clock. Items held and everything are duplicated too.

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It could easily be explained away:

This is a new region and, as such, the pokemon here differ due to different environmental conditions and pressures. It's also the same way to explain why there are different creatures in each area.

It wouldn't surprise me if Aruseus' data said something along the lines of it's 1,000 years old or imprisoned for that long. Darkrai is a complete mystery, and chances are he'll be an event pokemon along with #492 (hedgehog thing) and #493 (Aruseus).

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Originally Posted by RPG Maker

They want us to work a bit harder...

As if that weren't blatantly obvious from looking at the male/female evolution splits. Now we're getting into sexual dimorphism in Pokemon of all places.

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Yeah, not to mention Hiidoran is a gendered Legendary. Looks like we'll be able to breed that sucker.

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Manaphy is breedable though, but what would be the point of a Female/Male Hiidoran if you can't mate them? Not to mention, there's only one and it's been shown that it appears either male or female.

In other words, it's more like a regular pokemon than Latios and Latias.

Edit: Wow, now we have move based evolutions. Likitung evolves into Berouberuto after learning Rollout and leveling up. Tangela evolves into Mojanbo after learning Ancientpower and leveling up. Yanma and Piloswine evolve into Megayanma and Manmuu respectively after learning Ancientpower and leveling once.



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Originally Posted by Acro-nym

What good does Ancientpower do Tangela?

Rock type move, no? Maybe its moveset has it in there now. I find this method of evolving to be very clever. This potentially opens up a lot of evolutions and it'd work the same way as level since you get moves by reaching the level where they learn it.

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And with the different attack system, I expect Likitung to be more powerful. Thinking about Snorlax, I wonder if Snore will be considered a physical attack...

Yup, that sounds about right. The same applies to Magneton's evolution, Magmar and Electabuzz's evolutions as well as Manmuu. Adding an evolutionary stage opens up the stage for more moves and effort values. Most of his attacks will probably make contact, so he'll be more relevant than ever before.

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Originally Posted by Acro-nym

Does this mean that we won't have any moves learned at the same level by one stage and the following stage?

No, we'll still have that. Just saying, that once Likitung reaches the level at which he learns Rollout, he'll evolve on the spot. Or if you teach it Rollout in a TM, you'll have to level him up. Like let's say he evolves after learning Rollout and Berouberuto immediately upon evolution tries to learn "Rolling Lick" (made up). That'll still happen, no doubt.

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I think, once upon a time, Chameleon learned a move at level 36, evolved, and then learned another as Charizard.

Breloom is like that too, IIRC as it's moveset switches from grass to Fighting drastically.

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Originally Posted by Acro-nym

So I could theoretically evolve them well before they would naturally?

Bingo. That was the first thing I thought when I found about these, that you could force-evolve them and squeeze more stats out of them then would be possible if you let them level up normally until they learned the attack themselves.

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That sounds like a way to get larger amounts of stat points. And in the previous games, as proven by GameShark, evolved forms learned the same moves at the same levels before the planned evolution. Maybe that would stay the same and I'd have an excuse to evolve a few of these guys early.

Nothing's been said that indicates this has been changed, so you wouldn't be doing any harm to them (except they won't learn first stage moves).

Originally Posted by Sin Ansem

Out of morbid curiousity what does the pokedex say on Darkrai and Aruseus? I see the number 1000 on Aruseus's thing, and I'm interested...

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Sheimii (hedgehog)#492 is the gratitude Pokémon (????????). It lives in flower beds, and curls up so that it looks like a flower, hence few people have ever noticed it.

Darkrai #491 is the darkness Pokémon (????????). It has the ability to induce sleep in people and show dreams. It is active on the night of the new moon.

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Originally Posted by Sin Ansem

Serebii's post on Aruseus confirms my suspicions--it IS the god of all Pokemon.

Yeah, when I found out the news I was really taken aback. So far, the only thing close to Aruseus is Mew and he's only related to the rest in some small way or another (that's how he can shapeshift).

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Is it possible that this is the last generation we see new Pokemon?

Why do you say this? I think we may stop seeing fewer new ones, and a lot more move evolutions/trade evolutions/companion evolution of older single stage and dual stage pokemon.

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And Darkrai sounds... dark without being malignant. How I like it. Ironic though how a Dark-type that prefers a new moon over a full one.

Same here, it's actually refreshing to see something Dark that isn't trying so hard to be dark that it's a bit sad. BTW, it makes sense for it to prefer a new moon since it's not visible and it's darker at said time.

Edit: Below are Jibbacoil (Magneton evolution), Dainossu (Nosepass evolution), Darkrai and Sheimii. The first two evolve by leveling up on Mount. Tengan. Jibbacoil is electric and steel while Dainossu is rock and steel. Sheimii has 100 stats all the way across and Darkrai, as said before, likes to come out on New Moons. Aruseus rounds out the three (posted earlier), with 120 stats across the board making him the strongest pokemon to day by quite a bit. His ability is multi-type, and he's the "God" of all pokemon. From the looks of it, all three of these guys are event pokemon. Wouldn't be surprised if Aruseus is banned from competitive play.




Yonowaaru [Ghost], this character comes into being when you give Dusclops a Spirit World Cloth and trade it:


PorygonZ [Normal], trade Porygon2 while it's holding the Eerie Patch to and it involves into Z:


Eteboosu [Normal], Aipom's evolution. Get this wild chimp by having Double Attack as one of the Aipom's 4 moves and level him up:


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Originally Posted by Acro-nym

Is there going to be a new Pokédex, or are they just going to place the new ones on the end (i.e. National Dex)?

Yes. You have to see all of Shinou's pokemon at least once and then beat the E4 and Oak gives you the National Dex. From then on, pokemon from other areas start appearing. This is how I understood the explanations given.

And Ansem, I posted that site like 3 pages ago, along with one with the battle sprites.

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Originally Posted by Acro-nym

That wasn't a yes or no question.

I answered the first part of your question, with a yes for the pokedex question. The Poketch or whatever is called has the Shinou dex in it. But once you fulfill what I mentioned above, they're likely chucked to the back of the National dex.

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I liked that in G/S/C, there were two lists. One was with the traditional list, numbering the new creatures as additions. The other, the one I preferred, was an updated list where there was no clear line between new and old or even region. I was just wondering if there will be two options in new game or, as R/S/E and LG/FR did, there will only be the National Dex.

Once you get the National Dex, it reverts to that format, chucking the newest pokemon way to the back. Though we were lucky to get a long forgotten feature from G/S/C in the new and improved time progression, asking for two dexs is a bit lofty.

Info on Aruseus (#493): Scattered around Shinou there are colored plates that when attached to him, make him change type. When he does so, his color changes too. Stats don't change, nor does his moveset. Except for a few TMs, he can learn every attack in the game. The type changning is due to his ability "Multi-Body".

Ridiculous stat info here:

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Originally Posted by Ashton

My hear YEAR has fucking been made: one of my top 9 favorite pokemon got an evo, oh god it's still cute:



fuck yeah

Congratulations, then. I've found my first favorite monster (looks and stat wise) in Rentoraa. Some folks gave me some advice, that being to get a beneficial nature for Attack, EV train him in Attack and Sp. Attack and stick this moveset on him:


The yellow one is its Shiny form:

• Return [Physical, Normal]
• Ice Fang [Special, Ice]
• Thunderbolt [Special, Electric (with STAB)]
• Crunch [Physical, Dark]

This thing is easily one of the most versatile non-uber sweeper in a while.

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Originally Posted by Sarmoti

So, is anyone planning on bringing their past Pokemon teams into D/P and then replacing one or two with a Shinou Pokemon that's similar in types but better (or atleast seems) in stats?.

Nope, going to make a Shinou team and supplement it with pokemon from the other games. I've got Charmanders/Bulbasaurs/Squirtles and so on ready to transfer over.

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I'm gonna replace my Tyranitar(named Godzilla) with a Ramuparudo:


As of now, my Tyranitar's move list is, from what I hear, the best you can obtain for it. I always bring him in and tank with him before switching out to a faster monster to finish the job, but his stupid effect always gets in the way after being knocked out which weakens my other monsters(Jolteon especially).

Ramuparudo is good, but use Gaburiasu. Ground/Dragon, faster than Salamence, and his ability Sand Veil increases his evasion in a Sandstorm. Oh, not to mention his attack is absurdly high for such a fast pokemon. Here's my moveset for it:

Adamant Gaburiasu
(EVs in Att + Spd)
- Crunch/Swords Dance
- Earthquake (Ground, STAB)
- Iron Head (Steel)
- Dragon Claw (Crunch, STAB)

If Tyranitar goes down, send this Land-Shark out (in his entry, he's known as a "Mach" pokemon) and he'll run and play in the sandstorm. It'll help his evasion to avoid Ice attacks, his speed and STAB'd attacks are lethal to just about everything and if you've got the Swords Dance setup, you're king if you use it twice.

I don't know why they didn't give him Dragon Dance, though that might've made him overpowered.

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From what I read about Ramuparudo, all of his stats are weaker compared to Tyranitar's at lv 100 trained under the beneficial nature except for one:his attack power. It towers over Tyr's by 68 points. I'll probably be considered foolish for it but I never relied Tyranitar as KO'er, only as a tanker.

In the end, If I train the Ramuparudo using EV points(which I didn't quite understand at first) he'll better than my Tyranitar in every stat.

Wow, looks like you're all ready to go. I have to warn you though, there's a ton of new fighting moves, and with this new battle system that means something. Lucario, that Fighting/Steel type, can learn Pulse Bomb and 90att, unavoidable Fighting move. With that stabbed (90 att + 45 = 135 att) against Tyranitar and Lucario's high Sp. Att, it's going to be rough.

Oh, I fixed my Rentoraa moveset from above with the following:

- Crunch
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang
- Spark (30% Paralysis)

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Originally Posted by Sarmoti

Hmm, yes, he does sound like a better choice than Ramuparudo. Guess I'd make him and Tyranitar my first line in battle. I bet the two would be a good duo during double battles.

Here's the starter artwork from Sugimori:







Here's the E4 Champion:



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Originally Posted by Acro-nym

From those drawings, Dodaitoise looks the best. Empelt looks less like the Regis, now.

Nein. He's actually gotten worse in sprite and art forms. It would've worked better if his head was black like in his sprite. The main reason why he looks so ugly is because his tail is too long for such a truncated body and his elephant legs simply do not work with the design.

A good comparison would be Venusaur and Dodaitoise, to show what's really off.

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And it seems wrong for Galaxy Admins to be named, indirectly, after male gods. It's like the Sailor Scouts all over again.

I guess it was like like the gods, and more like the planets that make up a galaxy.

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It's changed drastically. Punch-kazam is useless now, because Punches are based off of the Att. Stat now. He's got a good number of move that make up for it though.

Example: Thunder Punch is now based off Attack, because it makes contact with the other pokemon, ie: not a projectile attack.

Thunderbolt, on the other hand, is still special based but this time because it makes no physical contact and it's simply energy striking the other pokemon. Rock Slide is also special now, but mainly because it's just rocks falling, no physical contact made between either pokemon.

This has people changing their teams alright. Oh and Metagross, Nosepass' evolution, Magneton's evolution and several others get the move Electrolevitate which makes them immune to ground type attacks.

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