[PS2] Final Fantasy XII

Originally Posted by Elixir

It's also photoshopped, because I see pixels.

Ok, I don't see it. Show me, since all I see are the pixels that make up the image itself.

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER

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Now for the bad news. I truly hope to God that SE USA isn't possibly stupid enough to release FFXII in November. Not only is that a much longer wait from the proposed Summer date, but launching it around the same time as the PS3 is just all kinds of retarded.

Not really, considering FFIX was released around the same time as the PS2 launched and it did fine.

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One of the best looking of PS2 games of all time will suddenly look out of date when compared to a PS3 launch title (well, the ones that aren't just 360 ports). I don't care if it means the game will get some special hi-res boost while playing it on the PS3, it isn't a good idea, just like releasing Zelda:TP along with Revolution is similarly retarded.

It was recently announced at that event on the 15th that the PS3 will apply various things to PS2 games (for example, AAx4, AFx4) as well as running them at a higher resolution. That's far better than what we got from the PS2, and it's bare bones increased loading and texture smoothing.

BTW, expect them to show CG during FFXII commercials.

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER

Even so....it's a long wait.

I know I've asked this plenty of times before, but I still keep wondering; Why doesn't Square begin localization while the game is being made? Why do they wait until after the game is finished to begin translating? It's an archaic process that results in an annoying gap between US and Japanese releases (3 months if we're lucky, 6 or more if we're not). I just wish they acted more like Konami or Nintendo. The only games I've ever seen get a simultaneous release were Kingdom Hearts: CoM (or did we get that first?) and the FFXI expansions.

Who knows? Maybe it makes finishing the game that much harder, with localization folks running all over the place? All I know is that with the massive gap we often see between Japanese and U.S. releases we should at least expect flawless translation and decent voice acting.

And yes... it is a long wait.

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Originally Posted by Simo

Somewhat true I suppose but there was also some "damage" to an extent considering between FFVII-X-2, FFIX had the lowest with sold units in the US with only 1.66 million copies sold compared to FFVII's 3.9 million, FFVIII's 2.34 million and FFX's 2.69 million copies. Even X-2 sold more copies in the US than FFIX.

FFIX followed two massive titles (FFVIII riding VII's coattails for it's sails) and provided a mediocre game. FFX was the first final fantasy for the PS2, so high sales were expected.

Seriously, 1.66M isn't bad, especially given that this game has almost as much hype as TTZ: The Twilight Princess and it's the first original FF in 5 years (FFX way back when). It'll do fine, and with the PS3 souping it up, it'll provide more incentive for those who want to buy the game.

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I'd imagine FFXII would get hit harder given the hype and worldwide launch and limited numbers for the PS3 making it more sought after for the holidays. Besides how many casual gamers will really pick up a PS3 and go "Wicked, I got my PS3 so let me now put aside launch titles and get FFXII to really show off my system".

People that are going to get the PS3 are going to get it, same thing goes for those who want FFXII. The latter costs far less and the first group (even a fraction of it) easily fits into the second. Casual gamers have never shown much interest in RPGs, so why would this game suffer simply because the PS3 is launching in the same month? There will be enough avid gamers buying the game to secure decent sales.

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A summer launch would of been more beneficial for not only SE but gamer's wallets too.

Nah, it wouldn't. It'd give them less time to localize and hype and plant them in the slowest time of the year for the industry. Releasing it during the holiday season broadens the market due to more people willing to spend more, or non-gamers buying them as gifts for the people that actually play the game.

Honestly, on the whole, it's a good move.

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Originally Posted by Elixir

And how much money does the average gamer make? They're either flipping burgers or working in a supermarket. It's not like people are made of money, and you're basically forced to prepare for the launch.

The overwhelming majority of gamers are 18-34 and male. While some may be flipping burgers, I doubt most are in such shitty jobs given the growth of the industry they must have quite a bit of disposable income.

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It's all very well to take into consideration that people will buy XII with the launch of the PS3, but there's still going to be the majority who stick with the PS2 and just buy XII for itself. It makes no sense to play a last generation title on a next generation console; when you've payed for game/s on the PS3.

While the PS3 and it's games will be hot stuff, there will be quite a few duds at launch. Why not play a game you've been waiting nearly 5 years for, especially with the benefits the PS3 gives older titles.

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I don't suppose the PS3 is going to enhance XII in any way, eh? It is released the same time, so I can't say no.

Weren't you in the PS3 thread? It was already announced that the machine will apply a considerable amount of post-processing (such as much needed AA, AF, texture smoothing, etc..) and then output them at 720p/1080i/1080p. If you've owned an HDTV for any amount of time and played PS2 games on it, they look bad, but the uprezzing doesn't hurt them as much as a complete lack of anti-aliasing, progressive scan and whatnot.

An incredbile example would be SotC, a game that is almost unplayable on my 720p HDTV. It has no AA, and it shows. If it even had one level of it applied, it'd make a difference, let alone 4.

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Originally Posted by Elixir

But will that work with XII? If it does, well, good. Actually, bad. Because then there would be a portion of games on the PS2(like you said; SotC) which won't be playable. If you're prevented from playing certain games due to the increased quality, it isn't worth it.

What the fuck? I said SotC is almost unplayabled on an HDTV because it has no AA. How would that be bad? Like I said before, it was announced that these features go hand-in-hand with backwards compatibility similar to what we have with the PS2. How this would make the game unplayable is beyond me, and how you got to that point is equally mystifying.

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Which is more important, quality or games themselves? I'm going to say games themselves, because quality can only go so far. I don't have a HDTV nor will I ever, but I won't be interested in the PS3 for that.

So games and quality are mutually exclusive? I'd like to think that games with good gameplay usually have some reasonable amount of effort put into it's appearance as well. What makes you so certain that launch titles will be up to your standards of quality? More often than not, they're shitty, short-lived graphics showcases with skeleton stories and feaures.

When that happens, you'll be more than willing to play FFXII on the machine knowing that the game is worth your time.

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The whole thing that gets me with the PS3 is the backwards compatibility. If they're going to enhance PS2 games, how will they manage to enhance ones like SotC?

You must not be reading my posts completely.

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Originally Posted by Elixir

You just said that SotC was unplayable on a HDTV because of AA.

No, I didn't. I said I had an HDTV, whose native res is 720p, and then went on to say that the game has no AA. It's pretty obvious from the rest of the message that it was the anti-aliasing feature that would help make the game a easier on the eyes on a large TV.

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An incredbile example would be SotC, a game that is almost unplayable on my 720p HDTV. It has no AA, and it shows. If it even had one level of it applied, it'd make a difference, let alone 4.

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If the PS3 fixes this, how are we to know if there's going to be problems or not with PS2 titles? We don't. How do we know if SotC will run better? We don't. That is also a really bad example, because ICO and SotC are known for having problems on flatscreen tv's.

Honestly, we don't know, but given that the backwards compatibility in the PS3 is based on hardware and software makes that hightly unlikely. The EE and GS of the PS2 are on one chip now, that's why the PSTwo became possible to make in the first place. It'd cost next to nothing to put it in the PS3. Couple that with numerous SPEs and the main core doing software emulation and it'll be a surprise to see only 90% BC rate.

Like the above poster said, folks are going to play FFXII on their PS3 if they get both. Just pointing out that the features built into the machine may soften the blow from a PS3 to PS2 game.

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It's pointless to buy a PS3 just to play PS2 games. No doubt they won't support PS1 controllers or something like that.

Nobody can be this short-sighted. We're talking about Sony here. The guys who left out 4 controller ports in order to get people to buy over priced multi-taps. Even if they don't make USB to PS2 adapters, third parties will.

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER

....Ahem.

Anyway, there's always a chance that FFXII will have a feature that will enhance its graphics if played on the PS3. Look at FFTA, it had an option to play the game if you were using it on the GBA SP (and it was released a little bit before the SP). Maybe FFXII will do the same.

I suppose the PS3 won't have an option to turn all the PS2 games widescreen. Probably impossible.

Nah, I doubt it'll be able to force widescreen output. But remember, DQVIII in Japan reportedly had no 16:9 support, while we got it in the end. We may see something like that.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Maybe when the character you're controlling gets hit the screen shakes a bit? I've seen other games that have a similar setup, though without an option to turn it off.

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Originally Posted by Mithos

Hmm.
I suppose this is the game most likely to ruin my exams.
It's probably worth the sacrifice though. It got a perfect Famitsu score, didn't it?

I suppose I'll work my arse off now so I can play it when it comes out.

Which may be a few years, considering the PAL region seems to never get games on time. Grrr.

Yeah, IIRC, it got a 40/40. Some folks said it was because the power of moneybags, but given how badly Famitsu slammed Dirge, and the fact that Matsuno's previous games are just as good make it a bit more believable in my eyes.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Guys, have you seen the Collector's Edition NA covers? Finally someone at Squenix got it right:


http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=281613

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It's probably preorder only, since a series this big will get decent sales anyway and the CEs would be snatched up quick. I'm loving the cover art though, looks real nice.

Comes in a metal tin/box, IIRC.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Yeah, the info's on the site... but here it is anyway:

Originally Posted by FFXII Collector's Edition extras

The Final Fantasy XII Collector's Edition for the PS2 is a Gamestop/EB Games EXCLUSIVE title!

The Final Fantasy XII Collector's Edition will be packaged in a metal case and includes a Collector's DVD with the following contents:

* Developer's Interviews
* History of Final Fantasy featurettes
* Final Fantasy XII U.S. Trailers
* Final Fantasy XII Japan Trailers
* Final Fantasy Art Gallery

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Originally Posted by Shoeless

Yeah, I'm starting to feel the waiting pains. I really want to play the damn game. Haven't felt this way about playing a new release in a long time. Giddy as a schoolchild.

Amen, this game sounds pretty solid from all the reviews surrounding it (especially Famitsu's). The bad part is this game looks to be overshadowed by FFXIII the way FFIX was largely forgotten when FFX rolled around.

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If you want the logo so bad, get the Collector's Edition. It's the only art on the cover, with the title over it. Real classy.

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Originally Posted by JazzFlight

...and a lot of your posts in this thread have been merely "lol stop whining guys geez".

Stop repeating yourself.

Heh, I knew I'd seen that same message before. For those of you who've seen the case firsthand, how exactly does it look? Matte? Glossy? How's it feel in hand? Etc..

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Wow, way to go Zeta. I wasn't planning on stopping by Digitallife this year, but it looks like that's going to change.

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Originally Posted by Zeta26

Unfortunately, I live in the western part of the U.S. So I won't be able to attend. Still though, I'm getting the C.E so it's the next cool thing in FFXII .

Same here, but I'll drop in to see how the game is. There will, undoubtably be an ungodly amount of people there especially with this announcement. Looks like Square is pushing this one hard. At least my city's got a FFXII day, heh.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Err, where are you guys downloading from?

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Originally Posted by JazzFlight

This is freaking incredible, I can't describe how excited I am to have it leaked this early!

AND I'm not ripping off Square-Enix, because I'm still buying the collector's edition at launch.

Whoa, you guys finished downloading it? BTW, what do I need to play it? Modded PS2? If anyone knows the torrent for this, please let me know.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Wow, thanks Shenlon. Apparently this one is good because some guy on the page said he's up to some plains. Do I need some sort of PS2 mod to play this?

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Originally Posted by JazzFlight

Yes, yes you do.

You either need a mod chip or a disc-swapping system like Swap Magic (which is what I use) with a flip-top case mod.

Ok, I'll just see if I can get my neighbor's flip-top PS2 at least until I finish the game.

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Originally Posted by Gechmir

lol. I think FFXII torrents were yanked. Just ordered SwapMagic and wanted to test it out on FFXII, since it'd be easy to find. Well... It's not on many torrent sites anymore.

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Gechmir, I have the torrent file (and the seed thing I'm getting it from is still pretty healthy) from the one Shen-lon posted.

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Yeah, I was there. Everyone and their mother was taking pictures of the armor even though the booth staff were a bunch of fucking losers telling them not to. The only ones in the entire place, something about marketing folks don't want unofficial pictures roaming around.

Anyway, I got the play the game each day I was there and it was pretty fun. Reached the part where you get your first taste of Gambits, though I can't say much about it since I stopped to let some other folks play.

BTW, how do you switch team leaders?

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Originally Posted by JazzFlight

You just press up/down on the D-pad when not in the attack menu (just running around).

Ah, thanks. I was confused because all she did was come up to me, tell me about Gambits and... that was it. I tried to find the menu, but had no luck there either.

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