[PS2] Final Fantasy XII

Originally Posted by Lionking-Cyan

Aren't guns for the endgame?

Whoops, completely forgot about the Fomalhaut, a weapon that is believed to be the earliest ultimate weapon you can get. Editing now.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Lionking-Cyan

And wich are the 3 weapons you would put on the main party?

Vaan - Excalibur/Whale Whisker
Balthier - Tournesol
Penelo - Sagittarius+Assassin's Arrows/Durandal+Z.Escutcheon/Ensanguined Shield

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Lionking-Cyan

K, i've bookmarked this page.
How can i get the sagittarius? And what about the masamune? I red it was among the 3 best weapons with genji gloves. So, is it outclassed by those 3 weapons you use?

3 Beastlord Horns - Steal 1 from the mark Catoblepas, steal 1 from the optional boss Humbaba Mistant (clown) and steal 1 from the Pharos guardian, Fenrir. Or, steal/poach from Humbabs in the Mosphoran Highwaste.

3 Sagittarius Gems - You see that Deadlands leveling technique? You can use that to make the Foobars that spawn in The Fog Mutters and the entrance to said map from the Slumbermead (as well as the one in front of that chest), respawn. Steal Sagittarius Gems from them with the cuffs equipped.

3 Moon Rings - Ash Wyrms in the Great Crystal drop these. Don't try it with the one in the Highwaste, as it's like the Adamantitan in Barheim, its level is too low to drop it with any frequency.

I use the weapons I use because of the areas I go to, that's all. I just don't like the way the Masamune is used by most of the characters (and the most popular choice is...Ashe, the one who looks the worst with it outside of Penelo). There's no point in having a high combo weapon when you've got:

- Damn Tournesol one-hitting things
- OHKO arrows
- Reflect-trick

That's why Vaan's main weapon is the Excalibur, and not the Whisker.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Lionking-Cyan

One thing i haven't ever understood: do i have to sell the items required, toghether? Or i can i sell one of them, go do a dungeon, return, and sell the others?

I sell them in bunches, just to be safe, but the items required for most of these weapons are only used for these weapons, and nothing else. It remembers the amounts you put in, and once you hit the required number of this and that, the item will be made.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Tomahawk

Sephiroth's Upper Crystal map

Man WTF - if you guys take a look at the Upper Crystal map I just posted, there's 2 tresure chests just below where it says "Map 2".

I was expecting to get the Excalibur from one of those chests. But even with Diamond Armlet equipped, I got friggin gil out of them! 2500 gil from one, and another 2800 gil from the other.

The Excalibur chest is the 2nd from the right on map two. On the approach you'll pass a map with a sole Shadonir, another platform, and then the map with the chest (over a trap) with one horse on the platform and two behind you.

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WTF is this shit? Can't the game even tell that I have 500,000 gil in my damn huge-ass pocket as it is? Such bullshit.... I bet there's gil waiting in the other treasures as well... LAME AS FUCK

Jeez. If you're complaining about getting hordes of gil, I wonder what your reaction would be if all you got was Knots of Rust, like I did (some gil, mostly knots)?

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One more goddamn Corpse Fly and I'll get the Whale whisker. 2 more Soul Powders and I got the Tournesol - oh wait! I need to go deep into the Henne Mines to try getting it? Wow WTF, the Abysteels will rape my ass before I make it halfway in....

Corpse Flies are easy, Dragon Liches abound in the Subterra. It's not even remotely close to being a pain to collect. Aquarius Gems can be harvested not too far from where you get your Hell Gate's Flames.

Set your Gambits to heal at a higher percentage, cast things like Curaja on them or Sleepga. The problem is, if you're having this much trouble with Abysteels, you're not going to like the Hecteyes, or the Glaring Eye rare game that they sometimes leave behind. Heck, even the monster you're supposed to kill (Etems) to get the powder will probably toss you around a bit.

Go level a bit more, that often eases things up.

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Yea I have found that since I don't need to sell things for gil anymore ( I have something like 1.2 Mill) that I will wait until I have everything in my inventory just to play it safe. I know that the game records what you sell for items and then creates them accordingly, but I guess that's just my cautious side. Maybe a little OCD but hey, whatever so long as I have the good weapons I'll keep doing that.

Cautious? Give yourself more credit than that! It's simply being safe rather than sorry, since you spent so much time getting these items, it'd be foolish to just up and toss them in without being sure.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by SOLDIER_2825

Haha, yea I just know I would probably want to go ahead and jump off my roof (well not exactly but you get my point) if I did all of that rare-loot hunting and then found out I fucked it up somehow. Right before I sold my items for the Tournsol I went and saved it first just to be TRULY safe about it.

This may be related to my inclination to save after every little event or whatever, but I not only saved before I sold the loot, I saved after each step so if I messed up, I wouldn't have to go back to the beginning.

Edit: I just figured out a way to deal with the Wyrmhero Blade's atrocious speed: Berserk+Haste. I'm testing it out now, but instead of taking years to attack, now it's kind of like the speed between a gun and a spear. I don't think I can make it go any faster than this, plus the fucking noise is irritating (insert grating SNES noise).

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Spatula

Necrohol of Nabudis, what.

I'm starting to "like" this place now, meaning that I'm a bit more accustomed to it, but as a dungeon as a whole, I do prefer other dungeons as they don't seem so depressing ;__;. At any rate, I got the "Save The Queen" double handed sword and equipped it on Balthier. He looks super cool with it, and I love the sound it makes when I preps it for slicing action. DRAW STEEL BOYS. It does 100 damage, which is by far my best weapon I have so far.

The entire country (including the capital) of Nabradia got owned by the destruction caused by that first nethicite shard. Mist begets monsters, so you have lots of mist, lots of strong monsters (mainly based on those who died there). I love the music there, but it gets annoying when you have it screaming at you from 5 speakers. The Deadlands is creepier, though getting a Gravesoil Trophy from one of the rare game in there definitely bumped the Necrohol up a few notches.

Oh, and I hate the noise that 2H swords make when they're drawn. Sounds like Robocop hopped out of bed.

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I managed to take down the Fury and the Humbaba Mistant, the latter being extremely easy. Mistant thinks he's tough rough stuff, but really he's a wimp. I just casted dispel and sap on him, and with the newly acquired DH sword, easily dealt 2500-3000 damage per hit. He was down in probably not more than 6 minutes or so. 300,000 HP, what? The fury on the other hand I was somewhat worried about. It wasn't the chronic casting of berserk, but it was the casting of stop on my party, while I only had about 9 chronos tears in stock, and each time at least 1 or 2 of my party members would get affected by this. I was actually quite happy as it casted berserk on myself, as I got Fran to gambit FOE=Berserk --> Dispel, and each time it casted berserk, it basically stalled with the casting animation and got my guys to do a free 3 hit attack on it, since it basically just sits there for 2 to 3 seconds while drinking wine. LOL.

"Am I in the wrong game?"

Humbaba and Fury were remarkably easy. Just your basic defensive spells up, and just have at them. Of course, you need to be properly stocked, as Stop can be a bitch. Both of them went down within a minute or so of starting the fight (had to get the Beastlord horn).

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The only really enemy I hated was the Overlord, I think, which could sap your entire stock of MP from your bar. However, this doesn’t put me in as much of a dire position as I initially though. Just charge your guys up to about 60 to 70 MP, and that’s more than enough to survive the battle at hand. Select the party member with the lowest MP as the leader, as I find s/he will be attacked the most. As long as you have your MP augmentations from the license, you’ll be back up to half your MP bar in no time, everything from taking damage, dealing damage with MP, walking, and all that. I was amazed how quickly your MP can work for you if you actually USE it when it’s low.

Fearga? Some other monsters use that, like the Shadowseer for example. Thank God none of the truly irritating monsters use it, like Omega or Yiazmat. You'd be boned more than a streetwalker on friday night.

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Anyways, next up I feel like taking out the fatty esper in the waterways, as I hear that dudes easier than the Chaos guy.

He is, just make sure you have Ribbons/Disable-immune accessories on. He can disable you, and since there's a fast-as-fuck HP drain on the field, this is not a good thing. I beat him before he could do his special (like Chaos does Aeroja) so I don't know what it inflicts. He summons Foobars too, Flan that are normally found in the Deadlands.

Just wail on him, keep an eye on your HP and heal any status effects and you should be gravy. Level?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek

Speaking of this, one of the most profound moments in the game for me was standing on the edge of the bridge remnant where the Nu Mou was. Standing there, looking out over the Deadlands, observing the waste, the seething Mist, the sun barely able to penetrate it even at higher altitudes, nothing more than an illuminated cloud at lower elevations, and listening to the mournful music playing in the background. "A Land of Memories" quickly became one of my favorite tracks.

Finishing the Bangaa beastiary entry really drove home the point.

Amen.

I told you guys, if there's one bestiary entry you have to finish, it's that one. I was reading it and got pretty interested and the ending... damn. Needless to say, it was poignant how they did it. The destruction and how horrifying it must've been for those who didn't know their friends and family were gone, captured right there in that last page.

"Land of Memories" is particularly fitting, since Nabradia is little more than that even after just two years, it scarcely looks anything like the rest of the world (in fact, it resembles the Feywood/Giruvegan's exterior). The music is rather calm and lilting, and then it hits this eerie and jarring section that I always noticed.

What I remember rather clearly was when my sister noted that there little to no ruins in the Deadlands. Aside from the shrine, and the bridges, everything else seems to have been leveled (even the ground was distorted).

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek

What I wondered about the most was the people who were there when it happened. They probably didn't even realize anything was wrong, until they suddenly awoke as fearful, undead creatures. The explosion certainly took everyone instantly. I can't help but imagine all of the people there, especially the children. They never expected anything and never knew what hit them.

Yeah, there were probably people instantly vaporized like what happened to the Leviathan, while those outside of the immediate vicinity simply took heavy damage. But, damn. Maybe it had something to do with the shard being used in at ground level that must've focused the blast, because the terrain was obviously changed and the ground stripped bare.

As for the folks? A lot of the monster entries there mention how they're formed from the undying patriotism of Nabradians (the hunt Deathscythe, which harasses the petitioner endlessly because he stole an axe from the Necrohol). The banshees are another example, it's as if the grief the women felt transformed it into something sinister (as it makes you commit suicide). Or the Crusaders, which instantly reminded me of "old soldiers don't die, they just go away". Some took death to become the monsters that they are now, others likely transformed just like the plants there.

Oh, have you noticed the mention of "undeath" in bestiary entries? That's exactly what the Deadlands is teeming with. There's definitely tons of monster activity, but only a small portion of it is from beings that are actually alive.

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It makes me wonder just how powerful a piece of Nethicite really is. If Nabudis and the area surrounding it is any indication, the Midlight Shard must have discharged several megatons of energy, at least.

Good question, though it also begs the question: Did Raithwall ever use nethicite in its destructive capacity to instill fear into the kingdoms that were warring at the time? This would make them easier to deal with and combine into the Galtean Alliance, which he used to keep the peace.

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Seeing the Deadlands and the destruction a shard caused, definitely leads credence to Fran's comment about what Nethicite the size of the Great Crystal could do.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek

Ah! I meant to post about this a while ago, but got sidetracked. My question: If the Sun-Cryst is the mother of all Nethicite (that is, all non-manufacted Nethicite was physically taken from it) where the heck the did Great Crystal come from? Is the entire thing made out of Nethicite? How would that be possible? Or perhaps just the smaller spherical crystal that was embedded in the bottom level? But even that piece is much larger than the Sun-Cryst.

It's possible that the Sun-Cryst itself is merely a shard from the Great Crystal, since it looked as if it had been ripped from a larger, rougher crystal. The cryst is likely the "mother" because it's the direct source from which the shards were taken from. It seems like the true source is the great crystal and that orb at the bottom.

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And where did it come from? Venat says it herself/itself, they manipulate the world with the stones. That's why it/she mentions that even though they had failed in creating a new Dynast-King, that the age of stones is over and they can't interfere any more.

Seems like a pretty clear connection: Occuria are beings of unimaginable power who manifest themselves in Mist (are they the source?), and create stones rich with this power and dole it out to those whom they wish to manipulate. The Great Crystal seems like it's seen quite a few years, and from the way it's placed, it seems like it's the power source for Giruvegan.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek

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But the Sun-Cryst is also mentioned as being the "Source of its unending power", meaning that the Sun Cryst somehow remotely empowers deifacted Nethicite.

Here is a quote from the Japanese story translation:



If the Great Crystal is the actual source of all Nethicite, why couldn't they just make a new Sun-Cryst? And concerning the Sun-Cryst itself, it doesn't look like it was cut from anything. It actually seems to be a very well-formed crystal.



That's the clearest picture I could get. It looks pretty smooth, considering pieces have already been cut from it. As for the Occuria, I'm not sure how six (and now, five) beings could be the source of all of the Mist in the whole world. And if they're so powerful, why don't they control history directly? Even if they do have weaknesses and are afraid, there is still nobody around at this point in time that could possibly challenge them. They should move in and get a grip before they are surpassed. Of course, they would then be hated, but you have to make sacrifices, right? Or perhaps the fact that they haven't tried to interfere directly means they're not all bad? I mean, they could have easily slain everyone in the Pharos when they decided the attack the Sun-Cryst. But they didn't. Personally, I have never considered the Occuria to be truly evil in the same way that Kefka or Albedo are evil, for example.

(You know, now that I really look at it, the Sun-Cryst is kind of evil looking. Up close, one can see strange colorings and perturbations of its interior structure.)

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Well, some surfaces seem smoothed/polished, but it still looks like it came from a larger object. Often times something whole and complete is often shown as being spherical (like that mass of Nethicite in the crystal). This thing looks like little more than a glorified shard.

As for the Occuria? Think about it. They seethe Mist, even the approach (The Feywood) to where they dwell (Giruvegan) is thick with it, it's the power within the stones that drive the world, and also what creates monsters out of regular things. The Mist, if you want to simplify it... is pure, flowing power. It's mentioned that whenever mistflows change, whatever lands they cover are irreversibly changed.

You use gather it to summon beings that challenged the gods themselves and unleash attacks far more powerful than anything you could manage normally.

Mist doesn't seem to do anything more than pervert flora/fauna into beasts drunk with its power, or enable/create destruction. Only when it's sealed away in stones and slowly drained is it beneficial. I see the Occuria and what I see are seemingly immobile entities who bear not a passing resemblance to a stone (and now that you brought up the cryst pic, they have the same general shape as the source of all nethicite's power). Oh, as I was saying, they ooze Mist. Their features are frozen like stone, and they pour mist out. Heck, theirs is an especially dark kind, no less.

If Mist is simply power, and the Occuria aren't gods, then they're at least creatures who drank so deeply that it corrupted them utterly. Simply reading through the entries you see that at every point that some other group started gaining power that might soon be comparable to theirs, they destroy them. I don't know about you, but commanding a princess to slaughter everyone and leave a few alive, sounds pretty damn evil. Maybe if it had been a human character saying this, and not some hideous thing, you probably would've agreed.

Kefka and Albedo were evil, no doubt. This simply doesn't deviate that farm from them, since in the short time we were treated to the Occuria, we were shown their unbalanced and bloodthirsty nature (something you were keen to notice in the entries). Not to mention, those same entries mention that after a certain event, the gods retreated behind the wall of an ancient city, and more.

Oh and the cryst's appearance? It looks like there's something inside, but we can't quite make it out due to the crystal distorting the image of the thing inside.

BTW, Piccolo, have you completed the Garif entry? I still need another Garif Adventurer, but the story talks about a dragon and God, literally. Sounds like Yiazmat and his creator, since that's the only other entry that mentions one creator like that.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek

Well, I guess we can't know for sure.

That much is certain.

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My personal theory concerning Mist and the Occuria is that they are so powerful spiritually (or magically, if you prefer) that their manifestations leak excess Mist. Or perhaps, their presense causes disturbances in the local Mistflow. Personally, I think Mist itself is just a natural phenomenon, like Pyreflies or Mako.

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For a natural phenomenon, it sure is problematic. Funny how you chose Pyreflies and Mako, naturally occuring features in those worlds that either give rise to monsters or enable destruction. I guess the only difference here is in the degree. One was essentially, free-floating spirits and the other was akin to magma. The Mist seems much more sinister in its ubiquity due to it being just like... well, common mist. The only thing I can think of that is close to it in terms of scale and effect on the world is the miasma described in Crystal Chronicles.

Well, that would explain Venat's seemingly instantaneous "warps". It/She wasn't warping so much as remanifesting elsewhere, and your theory also seems to hold true when taking into account Vayne's final transformation. Was Venat manipulating the mist it charged and distorted, causing it to flow into him? Or did Venat simply take control of him (hence the name of the final boss, also the name given to the Occuria, and the unearthly roar he let out when dying)?

Either way, there's a good chunk of the game that hints at them being the gods described. I tried to take a good look at those strange statues each of them had behind them, as well as the scenery. It's possible there were more of them, and we simply warped into a general meeting place.

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Well, yeah, I suppose that is pretty evil. Although, for the record, I don't find the Occuria to be Hideous at all. On the contrary, I find them to be very beautiful, especially this one:



I mean, come on, it looks like an angel.

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That one looks... ok. The beady, glowing eyes does nothing to soften them up in my eyes. That's a deliberate design move on SE's part to create a piercing glare effect, something not associated with kind creatures. Venat, for example, looks like it's/she's rotting. Must be something in the Mist outside of Giruvegan, or maybe it's simply one of it's unique features like that screencap Occuria's wings?

They would've looked even more frightening had they had arms, but it would've screwed with the overall feel. Arms would've dictated use, leading to a deemphasis on dialogue (it would be distracting, and take away from the raw yet motionless rage Gerun had).

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I don't believe that they were bloodthirsty per se. I do not think that they want to go around destroying people, simply for the sake of destroying. I can't imagine them wiping out a group of people and saying to themselves "Heh! That was cool!". They would probably say something more along the lines of "We do what we must. To survive". At least, that's probably how they see it. What would you do if you were in their position?

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I'd probably take a long look at myself and ask "Why?" Why would I have any right to decide not only life or death, but who flourishes and prospers, what nations meet, how long peace will last. You're right in that the Occuria would never utter something as shallow as "Let's kill for the sake of killing". Instead, they'd justify their actions with motives and ideas that could essentially be called evil. Or at the very least, a long shot from good.

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I wish the video wasn't riddled with Youtube's compression; then we could see the inside clearly.

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Is it possible for what's inside to be similar to the ornate symbols (glyphs) that each summon is imprisoned in? But instead of this being a summon, it's simply power encased in a crystal.

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And no, I have no completed the Garif entry, yet. In fact, I haven't played in days.

=O, well, don't sweat it about that one. Goddamn Adventurer probably has the lowest spawn rate in the game. There's literally no way to get him to spawn.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Lionking-Cyan

Woa, negalmuur still freaks me out when he spawns lol.
Anyway, yesterday, after i went to save and switch off, i noticed that a new door appeared in that door. So i saved and went there. All 3 members got confused and berserked, and a kind of pyrobomb appeard. After i killed it, some slimes appeared too. And behind them, in the end of that small area, there was a chest containing a shell shield. I didn't save after, 'cause i wanted to ask you if i should take it, or if there's a trick to get a better item.
Anyway, the fact that this doors appear after leveling with negalmuur for at least a few hours, makes me think that the developers knew that some people would discover a way to autolevel, or anyway to manually level a lot there.
So, i wonder if they just failed to make it impossible to AUTO-level, or if they just wanted to make it possible ...

That passage way appears even if you didn't auto-level. The bomb you fought up there is a rare game called Matriarch Bomb. Very easy, but you got hit with the confuse+berserk trap I warned people about. Either way, I'm glad you found Negal.

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Theres something wrong ..... I just went to see "garif" but for some strange reason I do not have enough money to but A THING ..... which in the Jap ver I had money up to my ears ..more than enough- I spent more than 5 hours leveling up ( now im in 39 ) and Im off to this Mt omicase or some shait like that with Larsa.. my problem is HOW do you get more money ... I sold all my loots but for some reason I do not hae enough money to buy a desent Equipment ( mind you my level is great at this point )

I dont want cheats but I am missing something? @_@

ta!

Hmm, maybe they increased the prices/lowered the overall drop rate from the japanese version? Level up more if you need more money, because other than lookt and hunts, there aren't any other avenues for cash.

Originally Posted by Atomic Angel

okay the white masks didn't help... but the black masks did. Oh, and they only work, when you don't have disease on.

Has someone ever explained to you what disease does? You can't heal whoever is infected by it, so of course it wouldn't work. That's why Ally: status Disease > Remedy should've been in your gambits somewhere. White Masks was for the very rare usage of Banishing/Shining Ray which would've hit hard had you not had the masks.

Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek

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Pyreflies are completely neutral. They are non-sentient and have no will of their own. They only become a problem when a person's soul remains unsent; then their Pyreflies can become a fiend. Even Mako energy isn't inherently bad. Mist, too, is not bad in itself. Fran even says that it can be a powerful aid.

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In small amounts, as I admitted. Two of these are useful in said quantites for power, and one has no use other than to be a nuisance. Pyreflies themselves are the souls of the unsent, who condense into monsters as a result of their bitterness and envy towards the living. Mako is more like radiation than anything else, as it'll mutate/damage you severely if you come in contact with a lot of it. Mist, on the other hand seems to be dangerous in any context outside of magicite, and that's because it's contained/limited in it's effect (tamed Mist).

Fran's one to be talking, when Mjrn and her went into Mist frenzies when exposed to too much of it. I assume the effect on humans takes longer to kick in but it's probably death/madness/etc.. That would explain why no one other than the Occuria live in Giruvegan, despite all the buildings in the distance. I'm not saying it's evil, just that it has more direct ties to troubles in the world than the first two. Again, how it works is nearly identical to the description of miasma in CC.

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I don't think she took control of him so much as joined with him. After all, she said "Let's walk together." She then infused him with her power, which he proceeded to use, or tried, at least. It makes me wonder if he was using her full power. If he was, perhaps the Occuria are really weaklings?

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Aha! That was another one of the thoughts floating in my head as I typed up the last one. I really do think Venat gave (not lent) Vayne her power, and in a sense, herself as well. This would be two way transaction of course, as Venat would gain.... mortality while Vayne was slowly losing his humanity. Hence why "The Undying" not only roared as Vayne, but the dying being that walked with him. Pretty fucked up how he died though, his flaming/disintegrating body fell to the Bahamut with a thud and withered to nothing.

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I think that the biggest piece of evidence is the quote about the Gods going into a city of their own making. What else could it be but Giruvegan and the Occuria? I am forced to wonder why the bothered to build all of that, though. It's obvious none of it is being used or lived in. But certainly, they couldn't spend all of their time on that one platform.

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It's possible they directly ruled over an immense number of people in the past, hence the city, but those people moved away when the Mistflow changed and covered Giruvegan. I think the others were doing something else, in another part of that floating city when they came running at the mention of Venat. There are probably more and these might simply be those authorized to be there.

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Something else I noticed about their eyes: Because they have no pupils or Irises, no matter where you stand in relation to them, it seem as though they are looking directly at you. Take this picture of Venat, for example:

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Isn't this the same effect many people describe the Mona Lisa as having? The "looking at you from every angle" thing certainly has a name, though you're right. That's exactly what it looks like. As if they never took their eyes off of you.

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But perhaps, in their view, they are justified. Try to put youself in the mindset of an extremely powerful and immortal being having existed for eons. Who has any right to challenge you? What hubris! Being a god, anything you do is, by definition, "right". Who can say otherwise? What do they know? They are only mortals, after all. Do they believe they have greater wisdom then you? Insufferable!

It seems like you would be the Venat of the group.

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Might =/= Right. Hell, the thought of the Abrahamic god was novel(Omnipotent, Omniscient, and one last one...) at the that it was introduced. The Occuria are simply incredibly powerful being, who lack respect, honor and compassion (among a great many good qualities). Yup, it definitely sounds like I'd be the "Venat" alright.

Seriously, if you have all that power why not create peace by bringing together all the people of Ivalice? A lowly hume did it for a long time, even if he did use nethicite, while you can't? They could alter the flow of mist, making more areas safe to inhabit (like reopen Giruvegan to everyone), ease relations between nations, etc... Like you mentioned in your later post, I'd guide and protect the land while being directly involved with them and learning.

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That's what I thought; they look like glyphs of some kind.

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In that case, it's probably a glyph that creates a supercharged piece of nethicite or one that has power as it's base (the crystal builds around it).

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Oh gawd, now I have to do a shitload of research into the Occuria and nethicite to keep up with you all? Sheesh. I'll try writing something up later...

Metal, you're looking for a Garif Adventurer? I'd have to say about half the time I passed through the Greensnake in Ozmone, there was a hostile garif there battling a few Wu. Any attempt at buffing him would only result in that bastard coming back at me, like I hurt him. You could also check the Giza Plains (south) during the rains - garif adventurer has spawned there a couple times before.

Wow, Ensauguined Shield + Lure >> PyrBlaster. God, that wyrm (tyranosaurus rex) can hit pretty hard without it

Oh, I know about both spawn points, it's just that... they spawn too rarely for it to be a timely affair. The Bangaa and Baknamy are by far the easiest to finish. And yeah, Pylraster (that bastard was scored with countless old wounds) was pretty savage. I just used Niho on him, and had my berserked Vaan helping everyone else wail on him. Fafnir and Behemoth King had far more HP.

In other news, Yiazmat actually has 50,112,245 rather than 50 million on the dot. I have a present for all of you guys who are still playing through the game, hunting rare game and marks and so on. I'll put it up later, but needless to say, it really helps (more so if you can try to understand French a little).

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Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek

Hey, MS, I finished the Garif Beastiary entry. Do you want me to write it out for you?

Sure, go ahead, seeing as I probably won't ever see it in its entirety this century.

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Just for fun, I filmed myself griefing the last Adventurer, to commemorate the hunt. http://www.sendspace.com/file/t6gp1g

Heh, I was messing around with Baknamy in the Necrohol and Deadlands yesterday. Stop+Vanishga in the mist makes for some really bizarre looking furniture, heh.

Edit: Oh, here's the website (godly resource, IMO) I was talking about:

Rare Game List (with illustrations and spawn locations)

Hunt List (with illustrations, locations and hunt rewards)

Oh, that's also the same website where I got the Esper glyphs that'll be in my sig for the next two weeks (next week is Rank II Espers, then Rank III).

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek

I'll go ahead and type out the whole thing, in case everyone else wants to look:

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Dragons. The most feared of all creatures, yet, beyond mention in ancient tomes of their servitude to the gods in antiquity, little is known of the ecology and development of the great wyrms.

I have, in my studies, come across a certain fable concerning a god and a dragon. The stone tablet upon which it was written was only recently discovered, and though there are surely some ebellishments as might be found in any fable, I wonder with no little suirprise at its simple elegance. Perhaps. I find myself thinking, this tale has the germ of truth in it.

-Lecluse, Exegete of Tales

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In times now ancient, a Dragon was born, stronger than anything that had been before, and in time, he thought himself superior to the God that had created him. One day, he said unto Him, "I am stronger than you, God." "Very well," replied the smiling God, "then let us play a game, and we shall see which of us is the stronger."

So began the Dragon's game.

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Dragon and God agreed to three tests to see who was the strongest. "See yon mountain?" asked the God, "can you carry it here to me?" "As easily as an ant might carry a blade of grass.", the Dragon replied, and a moment later he had brought the mountain to the God's feet. "Next," the Dragon said, "it is your turn." "No," said the God, "I am not strong enough to move a mountain."

And so did the Dragon win the first test.

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The next test was also one of strength. "See there yon rock?" asked the God. "It is of the strongest stone in the world. Can you pierce it?" "As easily as a sparrow might pierce an apple in the search of the worm," the Dragon replied, and a moment later, he had opened a gaping hole in the stone. "Next," the Dragon said, "It is your turn." "No," said the God, "I am not strong enough to pierce such stone."

And so did the Dragon win the second test.

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And so they came to the final test. "See there yon magickal ring?" asked the God. "Can you pass through it?" "As easily as the ferret scampers through the warren-hole, in search of the hare," and a moment later, the Dragon's neck was through the ring. Yet the ring was too narrow for the dragon to pass through entirely. "You have tricked me," the dragon said. "I am cleverer than you," replied the smiling God.

Thus did the God with the final test, and thus did the Dragon become lesser than the God in all things.

Heh, I loved that. It's either the story of how Ring Wyrms came to be, or about Yiazmat. It could be Hell Wyrm, but it doesn't click with its bestiary info, while it fits in perfectly with Yiazmat. So.. apparently the clown could talk, eh? Should've said something when he croaked. The video was great BTW, Niho+Scathe = Victory. Say, I have a video that I recorded with my camera but it ended up as a 4.5GB (!!) AVI. Do you know any converters I could use to change it to something more reasonable?

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Edit: BTW, could this "God" be another Occuria? That little twist at the end coupled with the god simply agreeing with the dragon's request sounds like an Occuria manipulating an arrogant fool.

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Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek

It has to be Yiazmat, because he is the one described the strongest Dragon, and having been created by a God, and as the one who became a threat to his creator. I guess he wasn't that much of a threat after all.

His arrogance did him in. He didn't think things through to the end, and realize that: "Wait, this guy is a God and he can't do anything I'm doing with ease?"

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I imagined it as being Gerun, since he is the leader of the Occuria, after all. Although I have a hard time imagining him smiling.



"Let us play a game... (you dumbass!)"

Oh God, I'm saving that. Smiling with his eyes, eh?

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"Let's play!" *teehee!*

About that, they seriously look like they have no other facial features aside from their eyes.

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Originally Posted by Lazlow

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Edited: whats the Garif Beastiary entry?

Click the spoiler button in Piccolo's post to find out, unless you'd rather earn it yourself.

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Originally Posted by Lionking-Cyan

Are you guys french?

Why'd you ask? Because of the site on the previous page?

Anyways, way to go on Chaos, Spat. Looks like it came down to the wire there, heh. Hopefully you won't have to resort to that against Ultima or Zodiark. Those two definitely won't go down with an ad-hoc chain, especially the latter if he throws up a physical immunity paling at the last second.

BTW, for those who haven't fought Chaos, equip Bowline Sashes when he readies Aeroja, so you won't end up like Spatula here after every use.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Drex

That's the sort of question you should be asking in a place other than the FF12 thread, then. I was wondering if that's what you meant, and let this play out as it has out of sheer curiosity. If you want to know about the geographical makeup of members of the board, make a thread about it in General Discussion! I don't think we've had one for a while. Plus bobo (the forum owner) has a thread about posting when English isn't your first language in the Community Commons, which would deal with part of your second question.

For the record, I'm an American that can speak 2 languages. And on that note, we resume our discussion of FF12.

Same here. BTW, does anyone know if there's some way of "curing" Reverse? Mentioning the fix for Chaos' Aeroja got me thinking about Ultima and Holyja. While I'm on this tangent, anyone remember what the effects were for each summon when they did their special? I'll list the ones I know:

• Chaos, Walker of the Wheel: Aeroja (Confuse+Wind Damage)
• Ultima, the High Seraph: Holyja (Reverse+Holy Damage)
• Zodiark, Keeper of Precepts: Darkja (Random Death+Dark Damage)
• Hashmal, Bringer of Order: Quakeja (???+???) I was floating, so I was completely immune to it
• Zalera, the Death Seraph: (Never caught the name) (???+???)
• Mateus, the Corrupt Blizzaja (Sap+Ice Damage):
• Belias, the Gigas Firaja (Oil+Fire Damage):
• Adrammelech, the Wroth Thundaja (???+Thunder Damage):
• Cuchulainn, the Impure: (none?) (???+???)
• Zeromus, the Condemner: (none?)
• Exodus, the Judge-Sal: (none?)
• Shemhazai, the Whisperer: (none?)
• Famfrit, the Darkening Cloud (Go! Famfreet!): Waterja (Silence+Water Damage)

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Spatula

It wasn't aeroja that hurt me, that only had a success rate of 50% of killing my guys, it was his spinng slap attack that koed me from 2000 hp to ZERO!

I never said the problem with Aeroja was it's effectiveness in offing your character, but it's confuse side effect. A battle seems that much harder when your allies are running around like decapitated chickens.

His physical is surpisingly strong for an Esper who mainly uses magic (I love that he, like Zodiark, uses the appropriate magic on enemies).

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Didn't Cuchulainn's cause Disable? I can't remember. I wish you'd asked this question a few days ago when I beat (the pitiful) Zeromus. I forgot he even existed, then stumbled upon him and kicked his trash. ^_^

I don't think Cuchulainn or Zeromus even have a special, as those seem to be based on elements. Cuchulainn uses pulsar wave to inflict Disable, IIRC. Zeromus is a gravity freak is all.

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I just remembered that chocobo feathers "were" supposed to be REALLY expensive -in the jap version each one cost around 800 - 950 but in this english crap shait they only cost 430 ..... than the big tourtles in Gisa plains in the "hidden" area their shells cost 800 which Im quite impressed.

Yup, looks like they tweaked the amount you get for items then. Doesn't matter, since I never had a problem with money in this game anyway (unlike, say, DQ8).

I got my first 2 or 3 from Mom Bombs in the Great Crystal, but you can buy them in the Dalmasca Estersand either before or after the Pharos.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Atomic Angel

does anyone else see a connection between starwars and xii? han solo= balthier that walking carpet=the pretty bunny lady! (i know thier names...)

No, not really. Most people who have brought up the Star Wars comparison have been... stretching it, to say the least.

Originally Posted by Spatula

Cuchulainn just used a lot of immobilizga as well as invert, which really weren't that crippling. The first half of the battle was getting rid of the FOOBARS (god I love that name), while the second was just wailing on him.

Yeah, he's a pushover. Just be happy it didn't use crap like Curse or Pox, which would've been appropriate seeing as how he's "The Impure" and all.

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Why is Chaos such a cheater. OH NO NO you can't use physical attacks, but watch him dish out with his "multi face slapper" as I called it. What a hypocrite. And Metal Sphere, yeah the first time he used a quickening, ALL my guys were confused and I was going - OH SHIT. I then equipped Fran with the anti confuse ward, while the others with bubble belts, so they can survive his onslaught of high hitting spells and such.

Bah, quit your whining. If you thought that was bad (aka: cheating) Ultima's going to piss you off as she changes the field conditions (lol uber slow characters, MP drain, HP drain, no magic, no items, no attack, over and over) and she drops Holyja dookie on you at regular HP intervals (inflicts reverse). So your healing gambits will kill you.

Or Darkja spamming that can (and will) off your entire active party.

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I like how basically everyone at Clan Centurio is like praising me now. I remember that hume that said “loool buddy u don’t know what end of a sword goes into an enemy”. Right there and then, I would have SO taken out a bastard sword and lopped his head off so fast. Or even better yet, tell him to join me on the Yiazmat hunt and then show me his skills. Such an arrogant slob.

A few questions.

1st question.

So how do you thnk of Zeromus and the other espers before Chaos, are they easier?

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2nd question.

I'll need to get lots of X potions for the non-magical fight. Where should I get X potions from, and how much?

Archades? Get 99 of them, that sounds like a good plan.

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3rd question.

Speaking of hunts, I’m going to wrap up the deathsycthe hunt, but that’s not too bad, I’m even thinking of going after our 10000 armed friend Gilgamesh. Any tips from him? I hear there are several stages. Should I just use steal or pouch or mug or what have you? When should I use these? Is my current level sufficient to take him on? We’re looking at mid 50’s levels for my three main guys.

Try it, but the monsters in Site 11 are 58-ish, and the Aeronites on the bridge to get there are 60. Just beware, that's all. Oh and there's a crazy rare game called Disma that spawns near the save crystal before the room where he is. It's way stronger than the other monsters, so watch out for it. Make sure you steal from him at the start of the fight, and every time he pulls out a new sword.

The second battle, make sure you have a prime level, or else he'll hit you with a bunch of Level. X crap.

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Originally Posted by Drex

Gilgamesh is a PAIN. Like I said earlier, it took me over an hour and a half to beat him down. Avoiding levels divisible by 2 or 3 is the most important - if I recall, the level 5 spell is Break, which only inflicts a slow petrify that's easy enough to get rid of. The confuse and sleep were the most annoying to me. True, you can use accessories to protect against it, but I liked being able to have other accessories on the few people I had that weren't affected by his lame spells.

When you fight him, take out Enkidu first, because he hits hard and fast. Don't bother stealing from the first 3 phases of Gilgamesh, either. It doesn't yield anything worth the trouble. Wait until he's down to 40% and starts giving up the Genji junk. Then you'll probably want to keep your guys bubbled and protectga-d, because Gilgamesh has some nasty attacks that can lop upwards of 6000 damage off a single character, and some that take 3-4000 off of a group in proximity. He's not a nice man.

Just set a character with Thief's Cuffs equipped to Steal @ Foe HP </= 40%. That way when the time comes, highway robbery baby!.

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Well then, I think I'll reserve him for pretty much up in the upper echelons of the hardy goons, like Yiamatty and Omega Weapony, and Zordiaky (probably when I'm exactly at level 97). My highest HP right now WITH the bubble belt is about 7500 or so HP, so from your description, my party would be annilhilated like nothing.

Gilgamesh would get raped by Fafnir (1.3 million HP) or the Behemoth King (1.6 million), these two are way far down the monster totem pole compared to those three. Yiaz, Omimic and Zodiark are in a whole other league. I beat him after beating the first two wyrms (Faf and King) @ 77, didn't even level whatsoever from those two and went off to kill him. He was nothing short of cake at that level, so breathe easy.

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Metal Sphere, looks like I'll have fun with Ultima. I always imagined that as a male character than a female, I don't know why. I remember there was an accessory that actually prevents you from gaining EXP, which might come in handy, so I don't spill over to level 98 or 99 for Gilgamesh.

I always though "She" or at least female when I heard the name Ultima, and it instantly reminded me of Altima from FFT (when using Alma's body anyways). That doesn't matter, since you're probably not going to have fun if you though Chaos was annoying.

Frustration = Difficult battle. There's really no two ways about it. If it's truly not a problem, then stalling tactics are merely irritating (Zodiark).

Level 50-85 (Deadlands), 85-99 (Pharos Subterra, Henne Mines, Great Crystal).

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Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek

I finally got around to beating the Seer today. What a damn cheater. Everything was fine until Phoenix was summoned. It just kept attacking and attacking and attacking. I had to use my reserve team! Good thing I levelled them up! The scariest moment was when there was nobody left but Penelo with 503HP and 0MP. I sure did use a lot of Phoenix Downs in that fight...

Yes, what the fuck. Goddamn Phoenix is the only enemy other than Rapist Mode Yiazmat who comboed more than 4 hits on anyone in my party. It didn't help that the bitch actually had some power in his attacks either.

Oh, and the Shadowseer and his debuffing/buffing also got old fast (especially Fearga once his minions were dead).

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How did you lvl your characters lvls to 99 manually?

Deadlands. Henne. Pharos. Lhusu.

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Originally Posted by Spatula

No no no, I EXPECTED Ultima to be a male enemy before seeing her for the first time. And I will switch up my party to a non prime number of levels, but at that time when I posted it, I wanted to tackle Gilgamesh at level 97, but after hearing that you can do at say, 77, then the accessory is no longer needed. Double

What's going on here? Did the person you quote delete or get their post deleted? Edit: Eh, nvm.

Man, I just tried to get the damn Zodiac Spear chest to appear... nothing. So far I've been doing the 3 map thing from the map past the save crystal, the crystal map, ore separation and then off to the chest. Nothing, for a solid hour. It doesn't help that most of the other chests on the way also spawn sporadically. Seriously, I'm considering picking up a gameshark or somecrap, because while I've gotten lucky before, .01% really isn't working my favor. =/

I'm thinking of going for the Yagyu again, but I have no idea how to maintain a chain when those damn bats/Aeronites are around.

I'm happy I downed that bastard Shadowseer. While it didn't come down to the wire like that, it definitely wasn't a breeze. Dispelling my suite constantly, throwing Fearga around while I was still fighting the Phoenix, and randomly using Darkga/Banishing Ray made beating him a chore. Oh and his physical attacks: What the hell?

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Drex

Above the post he put up, MS. A message has been sent. Carry on.

Again, you must have superhuman patience - I don't think I'll be able to spend an hour+ just trying to get one chest to spawn.

While I don't believe this is the case, far too many people have said this so there may be a grain of truth to it. Even with that in mind, this is ridiculous. The chest might as well not even exist in the first place.

90% of the time, no chest.

When the chest appears, this is the part I'm unclear of. I've heard you have a 10% chance of either getting the spear or elixer/some gil. Maybe if it was 50% either or, it'd be a bit more reasonable (like the Zodiac Esutcheon chest), but this is nothing more than a timesink.

Piccolo, mind divulging your chain secrets for the Darkblade, as I can't chain very far before something gets killed by accident (what can I say, turning gambits on and off is a pain), and that brings my chances of getting one real low.

On the bright side, if I get a high chain, I may strike gold and nab 2 or 3. And then there's only the Danjuro left, a weapon with a 1% drop rate.

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What the hell is right. I wasn't paying much attention because I was too busy rezzing, but I swear he was teleporting around and pulling off some serious karate moves on my team. Did you notice such a thing?

He ambles around just like all the other ghoul/zombie type enemies but he moves fast. He could be quite a bit away from a character and close the distance in a stride or two, ending it with a heavy physical hit. The main issues I had with him once the guardians were dead was that he'd start beating the piss out of me. When I tried to heal/buff you could almost time when Fearga was going to be used.

Niho doesn't help for shit against him, since all he got inflicted with was Oil or Blind (probably the former) and yet his hits kept connecting. No fancy stuff, just reaming him since he essentially prevented any magic attacks from being used.

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