Religion: What it means to you

Originally Posted by LordsSword

Missionaries still swarm the globe in an effort to do what I have done and do alot of good in their efforts.

If I were starving and uneducated, and someone brought me food and said "this is a gift from the great leader Bozo the Clown", I would probably start wearing big red floppy shoes in his honor too. While the people may be grateful for your interventions, I have a hard time believing that the sole purpose of their new found faith is enlightenment, I would say it's more survival. The people helped in these tribal cultures are more than likely listening to you because you bring them aid that anyone could give them. You just got there first.

So exactly what age were you brainwashed again?

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Despite the current view of the Christian faith we continue because of reactions like yours. Its not a club its a way of life that has changed the world for the better.

Because The Crusades were definitely for the better. Nothing like millions of deaths that make you wanna give yourself a pat on the back!

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Research the origins of the most prestigious educational institutions in the U.S. & the older charitable institutions as well. You will find the Bible has alot to do with their founding.

Yeah, the Jesuits. And we all know that people that go to "Jesuit" universities today are preaching the word of the Lord. They wake up on their Sunday mornings while hungover after a night of heavy drinking and sleeping around. Let's face it, even institutions that were built on the basis of any kind of religion in this country is lost on those who currently run them.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by LordsSword

Since you are not a Christian you are in no position to judge my statements.

Thanks. That's the argumentative equivalent of "NO U!" or "NUH UH! YOU'RE WRONG!" You sit there and judge everyone else, how does it feel to be on the other side of the pedestal?

Originally Posted by LordsSword

This is how you think.

And everything YOU say is how YOU think. Prove to me how it makes you RIGHT, then I'll agree with you.

EDIT: And if you say "because the Bible said so" I swear... I'll... do something yet to be determined.

Originally Posted by LordsSword

I would be rich if I got a nickle every time I heard this one.

The crusades are NOT sustained by anything in the bible. The "christians" involved in that struggle broke every rule in Gods word. Blame the self justified leaders and the ignorance of their followers not the bible.

Okay. I'll accept that one.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

Yea, Catholics. Let's use them as an example of "spreading the good word." Great idea. Their conversion rate is insane, anyways. No one who actually wants to enjoy life is a Catholic.

It's true. I was born and raised in an Italian neighborhood in Boston, completely catholic... baptized, confirmed, religious education, Catholic high school, the whole 9... and for the most part I still can't believe that their beliefs on God or Jesus are the true story. Perhaps we aren't meant to know the true story.

And can I just say one thing? Mormons got it right, man. They do their thing, are so close to religion, and not once have I ever had God shoved down my throat by a Mormon. I had two Mormon roommates in college that woke up at 5am with shirts and ties on to go to church on Saturday and Sunday. Never once did they get on me about my drinking, smoking, pornography, ANYTHING. They just went about their business and did their thing, and for that, I ENVIED THEM.

Why can't you Christian Fundamentalist fuckheads be more like the Mormons and GET OFF MY E-LAWN!

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Devoxycontin

No I'd like you to differentiate between Christians who preach and Christians who just practice and don't bother anyone. People can be Christians without having to proselytize.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here. I'm gonna guess that Christians who preach are the ones that preach, and Christians that don't... are the ones that don't. I might have that backwards though. Someone clarify if I don't as I really don't wanna come off looking foolish here!

And come on Devo, don't intercede a battle with a side battle. =\

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Originally Posted by JackyBoy

Just an observation, but I'm disappointed that many of our defenders of reason here are pulling their punches in their criticism of religion which is wholly fair (the criticism).

Who said anyone was pulling punches? If you have some mystical magical OMG LOOK THE FUCK OUT knockout blow, then come with it (and your YouTube clip AIN'T it). And what kind of douchebag moseys on into a thread and just goes "OMG LOOK AT THIS LOL GAME OVER!"

In the words of the greatest man in sports entertainment, The Rock...

...who is this roody poo candy ass?

(I apologize. I've just always wanted to do that to someone.)

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Originally Posted by Denicalis

Knowledge, not belief, is the basis of understanding, son. Until you learn the difference, you seriously need to shut the fuck up and quit acting like you get to make arbitrary rules just because you're losing the argument.

You quote scripture to prove your point, we quote scripture to point out holes in the book you take as law. We quote from books we find life changing and important. We don't need your permission to prove you wrong.

Deni wins. QED.

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What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by LordsSword

"Heaven knows" is right. By serving my God I serve my community. I'm not hurting anybody by advertising for Jesus. If you are "fine" lets just leave it at that, why do you have to try to stop the message of Jesus from getting to people who may need it?

Hey, the only advertisers on this site pay the fees to keep it going. I think Miles should start charging you if you're openly advertising.

Originally Posted by LordsSword

I was a dope head who got off drugs thanks to the bible. If you dont like the biblical message why dont you take my place and show people how to be "fine" like you?

Was?

Originally Posted by LordsSword

So the unreligious can say to the religious person:
"Hey you're practicing your religion in the wrong way! We dont believe your book but do as we say anyway!!"
C'mon folks, who is being unreasonable now?

Who said you were practicing it in the wrong way? We just don't want you preaching to us. Everyone else has their personal beliefs, and perhaps if you want to talk about those beliefs you should hang out with more people who believe those beliefs instead of cramming them down the throats of the VAST MAJORITY, and by that I mean damn near everyone else, that don't want to hear it.

As far as the book goes, there are people who don't believe in Christianity BECAUSE of the Bible.

Originally Posted by LordsSword

No you don't and whatever proof you have I hope it works for you. I just make my case its my job. People tell me to shut up but look, i'm still here thanks to the freedom some people believe in.
From what I can see the unreligious folks are into censorship and taking freedom away from others.
My God is into freedom & equality for everybody. My religion means freedom for all people no matter what their position.

Yet thanks to Christian Fundies, I can't watch the fucking Teletubbies without someone telling me that I'm watching homosexuality at work. That last quote is the most ironic, and yet down right most idiotic statement you have made thus far. Don't fucking sit there and say "freedom of speech" when it's your fucking right wing organizations that want to control what we say and do the most. You can go right to hell.

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