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Kojima's dealt with clones before, but there's nothing too special about Raiden to warrant being cloned. However, someone brought up the whole thing about Raiden being the wave of the future, contradicting Snake's claim about real battle experience and leaving him obsolete. This is just something to throw out there, but whereas Big Boss before was the ideal soldier, maybe VR troopers are the new standard and Raiden's at the top?

Yeah, that's not gonna happen but if one want to pile on theories, well there's something to mull over, I guess.

It's the real Raiden; people say the easy way out is to do some cheap drama involving Rose's death and possible children. I am supposing it will actually relate to Olga's child; he'll get in too deep and be torn to shreds somehow.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

You know what'd be cool? CYBORG VAMP.

Seriously though, where was he? They do a rundown of all these old characters and they can't even show the bi-guy.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

I wonder if Big Boss is gonna be shown at TGS. I hope there's less Raiden footage for more new characters, even if he is so stylish. I do hope that any more Raiden footage will be talking, not just more over-the-top action.

That'd be cool if there was a knives-to-sword+knife duel between Vamp and Raiden. I call that.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Anyone run into an HD version of the 15 minute trailer yet?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I guess we just have to wait till MGS4: Insistence for playable Raiden.

FELIPE NO

O-face.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

9/22/06 - Vamp Day.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

NO, NO. Don't bring that argument up again. That one guy's gonna steer this ship in that direction for, like, seven pages again.

It really depends: I think interactivity won't be met as a positive thing by people as a whole anytime soon. Yes, certain games are cinematic, especially, particularly the MGS series. But sometimes, you just wanna sit there and watch an experience wash over you, as opposed to button-press your way through it. Both forms of media will always have their advantages. Films haven't reached their 'full potential' yet because CGI's been thrown in the mix. Computer animated stuff's gonna get more real too, just like games will as you mentioned.

However, you talk about looks and then dominance in the media world, do you mean in terms of which kinda people will buy more or which will be objectively better?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Mobius One

What I mean by movies reaching their limit is that there really isn't much movies can do to seriously impress audiences any more (well, not the ones that have been watching movies their whole lives at least. There's always going to be mindless masses which are impressed). The overproliferation of CGI has jaded audiences. People aren't going to go see the "next big movie" if it's the same thing they've seen 1000 times before. The only way for movies to continue to succeed is if they bring new stories that to the table that people are interested in, but there's only so much creativity out there and the well will dry up eventually. You know the saying "there are no new stories, it's all been done before". I find that to have some truth to it. Of coarse, you're always going to have people that do want to see the same thing over and over again, which is why movies will never go away. Are there still some new and interesting things that can be done with movies? Yes, but eventually everthing will have been done. There will be nothing left to impress, excite, or motivate people to go see a movie. When that happens, games will take over as the dominant form.

But why do you think people are more willing to see the same thing over and over in film? Because at most, people are paying about 10 bucks for the experience. Sure, they're still somewhat discerning, but the relatively small price makes them more able of accepting mediocrity. And the film industry, let's face it, is like any other industry, running mostly for that profit; if people still continue to be this way, then yes, they're gonna go for the bare minimum, so the majority of movies will still be those mindless explosion fests.

Games on the other hand, at most, cost $50 a pop excluding a console. Hell yes gamers are going to hold on a little tighter to their money. So the developers need to put on their best efforts, or for those with less integrity, the least amount of effort demanded. So, yes, expect those few developers like Kojima expected to bring those killer aps to bring up their game by leaps and bounds each time.

Neither games nor films have reached their apex, but films have had, so to speak, more time to fill in.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I never thought of the end to be just a nod for those fans wanting the old Snake. If this does end up being part of MGS canon, I think that this means Snake does shoot himself, seeing as "Legends must die" to make way for a new legend, that being a clone of him, this younger one. The thing is, with his deteriorating state, would that affect the cloning process. Also, I don't follow the MGS mythos too closely, so is there anything said already that would prevent a clone being born from Snake's DNA with his being a clone himself? Assuming this is all correct, when do you think the clone was created in the MGS timeline?

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?