[General Discussion] Most worthless party members ever!

These topics are always fun. There really aren't many "worthless" characters out there though so it's usually just a case of "Person tries character out briefly; Person doesn't get how to use the character; Person gives up and deems said character shitty when in reality Person simply did not like the Character"

Really should have just made it a topic about characters people don't like instead of using the word worthless.

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He's not worthless but he's not great either. If you play a low level game or a natural magic game fixed dice can make him worthwhile. You're right though, other than that there is nothing that makes him standout, but offering is still best used on him anyway since it lowers damage output and unless you've been extreme power-leveling you'd probably do more damage with other people just using two weapons or something. So offering+fixed dice is decent at least.

I wasn't really singling you out, I just notice a fair amount of arguing in threads like these cause a lot of people don't usually have very good reasons why characters are "worthless". Gau stuff up top is a good example of that.

For what it's worth, I really like Setzer but I acknowledge that he's one of the least useful characters in the game. It's a shame, but with work he's at least not worthless.

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I think the argument is mostly that he takes a far more elaborate setup to do good damage (and it's still based on luck since fixed dice can do terrible damage too) while most other characters can be broken in that game with almost no effort at all. I don't think anyone in that game is actually worthless though except maybe Umaro, since the one thing Umaro really has going for him you could get out of Mog or Gau anyway which is the Snow Muffler I think.

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Well, the point is a lot of the other characters don't need offering+genji glove to get broken damage chains going but yeah, I agree for the most part anyway. You have a lot of control over the characters in that game, especially their stat growth, so it's hard to single any of them out as worthless.

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There is no way anyone would argue that Setzer isn't a total badass anyway. Anyone who does should be banned from the forums because they are just poxes on civilization.

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It's nothing like that. You just give out a few re-dispensable pieces of equipment to make Setzer useful. You can do that in a single play through the game without any power leveling or item grinding. To do anything like that for Marle would take MASSIVE EFFORT.

Also doesn't help that you do the same thing in almost every game ever made. You find something people deem "broken" and you run with it. lol @ strategy and tactics. These things don't exist in 95% of RPGs on the market unless you forcibly restrict yourself.

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It's actually sort of funny though, he can have pretty decent stats when actually leveled up, but it takes a LONG time to see results and in a normal game you never really would. In the GBA port though, since you can re-use these characters at the end of the game you can actually see he's fairly decent. He gets great speed to the say the least but most of his levels up til 60 or so seem to just be "filler" levels and his stats boosts don't start rolling in til very late. This has always been the case too, ever since the original release but it was impossible to see without some form of cheating.

Also kind of shitty though that from about 80~99 you can LOSE stats when leveling up in that game so nobody is as good as they could technically be. Never figured out what was up with that.

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Dias is great if you use him right. His normal attack SUCKS ASS though, but by the end of the game you wouldn't really be relying on that anyway. Problem is, you have to control him in battle if you want him to be any good because the AI has no idea how to properly use him. Same for Bowman, cept Bowman is AWESOME when you use him, not just good -- and TERRIBLE when the AI takes control of him.

Which reminds me that SO2s AI is a piece of shit and 3's isn't much better.

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Chisato can be pretty good really. I think the least useful people are probably just the raw spellcasters by the end of the game and Ernest. Everyone else is good setup the right way, even if Dias and Bowman require manual control to be good.

I still think Bowman is the best character in the game when you control him, but a lot of people really dislike him.

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You covered what I was going to say. Noel isn't terrible, but he isn't necessary either. If you don't care about what ending Claude gets there is NO reason not to use Rena because she's better and you get her right off the bat.

Ernest, Leon and Celine are just outright terrible on higher difficulties far into the game -- EVERYONE ELSE can at least be decent, even Noel, though I'd rather use that character slot for someone else.

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