[360] X360 & 720p, oh wait... I'm an idiot...

The real question is: Who didn't know this happens with a lot of titles, and do you really think you'd notice if you didn't read the article? The scaler in the 360 works EXTREMELY WELL.

Which other games have you played that you're now going to return now? Did you know the beautiful PGR3 runs in 600p natively, and the 360 scales it up? You going to condemn that game too?

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The performance hit taken when rescaling content would be minimal at worst and almost non-existant at best. The 360 doesn't have to "work more". It's not harder to resize an image than it is to render it at a higher resolution.

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Originally Posted by T1249NTSCJ

Now I for one don't actually believe in arguing over the internet as it proves to be rather pointless. I'd rather it be done face to face but hey that's just me. :eyebrow:

Come on, you can find a better cop out than that. Just because you realized your position on this argument is completely retarded and you can't really defend it worth a shit, it doesn't mean you have to pick the single worst defense EVER.

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As for the matter concerning Activision/Treyarch cutting corners for a decent framerate, it's a matter of principle.

Cept that it's not "cutting corners". Do you understand how difficult it is to obtain high framerates on extremely detailed scenes? It's not child's play. If you have to get a decent framerate so the game is playable, having the image rendered at 80% of the regular resolution and then stretched to fit is a real good solution, and people wouldn't even notice. Especially people like you, who are obviously just reactionary. 20 bucks says you wouldn't have noticed if you didn't read the damn article.

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Game developers sell us the idea of gaming in true HD and actually paying $60 for a game that isn't so and not to mention it's false advertising... isn't something that I support. Also if many recall back in May of 05, ATI revealed that every single Xbox 360 game will be required to run at a minimum of 720p resolution with 4x anti-aliasing.

It's not false advertising. An image at 600p stretched to 720p is still 720p. Nowhere in that press release does it say that the games have to run natively in that resolution.

I really wish people would understand how technology works before pretending to be experts on it. Just because you know what some numbers mean doesn't automatically mean you know what the fuck you're talking about.

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Now before Microsoft brands their products it has to be approved so clearly something is definitely wrong.

Cept that, again, the approval process says nothing about NATIVE resolutions. You scale shit up and it'll save CPU cycles. The 360 may be powerful but it sure as shit ain't a super computer. I don't doubt the PS3 will also do this.

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Plus I remember stumbling over a thread long ago concerning at the AVS forums concerning the TCR for the X360 back when word got out on PGR3 not running in HD. Integrity doesn't exactly rank high on the list in this business but the line has to be drawn somewhere fellas.

So the line is drawn when one idiot who doesn't understand how the technology works discovers that the only thing he knows is which number is bigger than another, and then goes apeshit.

If you're going to draw the line for SOMETHING, draw it for failure prone hardware or something.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Back when I lived with my parents we had a 50 inch HDTV, yeah. Right now, on my own, I lack one, but that'll probably be rectified sometime shortly. And I'm willing to bet half or over half of the 360 owners here have one. Mo0 does, for example.

HD is EXTREMELY important in the coming generation, that's not the issue though.

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You popele do realize that graphics were touted a lot back then too, right?

Remember Star Fox? SUPER FX CHIP WOWEE AWESOME KAPOW BANG WHIZZ. CHECK THIS OUT HOLY COW. Or Donkey Kong Country, or Yoshi's Island, or any of that jazz? Graphics have been pushed since FOREVER. It has nothing to do with what era you're in.

There were beautiful games back then too that had ZERO fucking gameplay content, just as there are now. The game's weren't BETTER, pound for pound. There was quality and there was shit, just like today. Graphcs always have been and always will be important.

All this "OLD SCHOOL IS BETTER HUR HUR BECAUSE BACK THEN THEY FOCUSED ON GAMEPLAY" talk is depressing when it's just flat out NOT TRUE. Yeesh.

That said I'm totally siding with Tony here. Graphics are important. They aren't the whole point but they aren't toss away bullshit like some of you are implying.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I'm not saying any of those games were bad. In fact, I love all three. I'm using them as examples of graphical powerhouses. You may remember that, back then, those games were some of the most beautiful around. And you can be SURE that when they came out, the graphics were hyped to HELL AND BACK. Hell, I remember the ads. I remember the hype. Back then graphics were put into the spotlight like they are now.

If you want examples of games that suck but look great, look at the SNES version of Street Fighter Alpha 2. Or Dirt Trax FX. Those games ain't so good, but they sure as fuck looked nice. I'll even use the infamous 32X Doom port example. Looked pretty good considering what the thing could do, but fuck if the game wasn't shit. My point is that games that focused on graphics above gameplay aren't exclusive to this or the next generation. Neither are games that are both beautiful and play well, and games that are ugly as sin and play like shit.

Good job totally missing my point, by the way. You win. :thumbsup:

And lastly, this retro fad isn't just a gaming thing, pop culture is going through it like crazy right now. Walk into Best Buy and buy 80s cartoons on DVD. There are transformers G1 reissues figures that fly off the shelves. Grown men buy Nerf guns, people over the age of 20 buy Thundercats shirts from Hot Topic. It's not just a gaming thing, God damn. I'm willing to bet the people who are 8 to 10 now will be looking back fondly on the PS2 and Gamecube in 2017 when the PS5 is coming out. Nostalgia sells.

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Originally Posted by MetheGelfling

Nowhere did I state that quality graphics are the devil. I'm only saying that neglecting good gameplay and trying to make up for it with pretty graphics doesn't work.

I agree with this, but it never has. Everyone here is making it out to sound like this is a recent phenominon when it's not. It's been happening since forever, basically.

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And, many old school games have stood the test of time in that they're still incredibly fun to play,

And I'm willing to bet in 10 years, when PS2 stuff is old school, there will be some that hold up to the test of time. That are still fun, and still entertaining. You guys are totally making it out to sound like there won't be any, and that this entire gen is a throwaway now. And that's simply wrong.

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Every current gen console is capable of displaying beautiful visuals.

Back then, Earthbound wasn't terribly hideous either. Sure, it wasn't, say, Chrono Trigger, but it wasn't as bad as some of the other games available either (Secret of the Stars, anyone?). It sure looks dated now, but back then it's no different than the rather plain visuals in, say, GTA 3 or something. It'll hold up because of the gameplay, and it'll have a bunch of people who remember it fondly. No different here.

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And the quality of the titles shouldn't be based on whether or not they can be displayed in 720p or not.

I never meant to imply that they were, and the OP is a fucking moron, but that's beside the point. All I'm saying is that graphics have been important since the beginning, and they will continue to be for as long as games are played in their current form. To think it's any different now than it used to be is foolish.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?