[Movie] Heroes

Originally Posted by MTGNecro

Anyone have any ideas on what the big threat is going to be to New York city? It looked like it was going to be a nuke...but ya...

I think that's what they have planned. If you watch the screener version of the pilot, they cut out a small part of a scene when the popular girl is standing with the nerdy guy, and a firetruck passes by, as well as a truck going in the opposite direction, and a sheet is blowing around what looks like a nuke.

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It's a comic nerd thing, but the show does have potential. You know those new ageisms were just thrown in there for the benefit of a wider audience. Trying to explain how toxic waste transformed somebody would be much more difficult for the 30-60 crowd.

I'm just wondering how they're going to approach the responsibility of being a hero. I was disappointed in Claire for using her powers for personal gain (don't ever delude yourselves...that's what it was, however much of a jerk the guy was.) but it adds a dimension of vindictiveness that I didn't see before. It will be interesting to see how or whether she overcomes that to become a true hero. Frankly I think it would be interesting to see at least one hero who doesn't make it because of their failings as people. They think of themselves like Hiro does, but they still are each human, and I think that's why the show shines so far. It doesn't take the realistic bent as far as Unbreakable did, but the premise gives a lot of room for character development.

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Originally Posted by Protom@nNeo

I missed the first half hour of tonights episode so I'm a bit confused how the cop ended up back home with his wife. Last week when he was told he'd be "wiped" clean I asumed he would wake up working for the bad guys. (which still maybe the case) I just want ot know wat happened in that first half hour.

I wondered about that myself, but I think basically the government agent still thinks all of these heroes are valuable enough to be kept alive, which is why he didn't shoot Nathan Patrelli.

I'm interested to see just how Mr. Bennet will factor into the whole thing. I wouldn't count him out just yet as a misguided good guy.

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Originally Posted by Crash Landon

Everyone who thinks Claire's (adoptive) father is a rebellious good-guy seems to be overlooking the fact that he's been working with the guy who can erase peoples' memories. There's no beneficial motivation that I can think of which would necessitate this.

It is possible that he thinks by controlling the heroes, he can protect them from harm (meaning Sylar). The fact that he only took certain memories away from Parkman speaks to this. He doesn't want Parkman to do something stupid, maybe, like put himself on the news, or broadcast to everyone around him that he's using supernatural abilities.

Parkman's disorientation could be an indication that they took away his memories of his powers, as well. It seemed to me like he was doing a lot of the things with his wife instinctively. He recalled that he was working for the CIA, but couldn't seem to give her more than that when she pressed him.

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Originally Posted by Grail

Ted would be, for the most part, one of the biggest reasons Peter blows up.

He's the guy who can generate nuclear energy from his body.

Yeah, about that: How did he get out of jail? I didn't get the impression he was on the run from the law when he was "practicing," but I never really saw him get released, or heard the FBI agents mention him again.

I was speaking idiomatically.

So despite the fact that I love this show, I felt like Ted's involvement thus far was kind of a cop out. I mean, he seems like such a pivotal character, and then they pull a bait and switch and Peter has everybody's powers and becomes dangerous basically for unspecified reasons. =/

Plus, it occurred to me after the Company Man episode that Ted isn't just a firestarter, but a radiation-emitter, and if the show is based around genetic differences-- mutations in the genome-- then I thought it might alter Claire or Matt's abilities for the worse. Then it turns out they get out not much the worse for wear.

I mean, sure, you can quote "suspension of disbelief" at me, but the show asks you to accept certain things as givens and then refuses to play by its own rules, so it was just an aspect about the plot so far I found annoying.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Jochie

I don't remember there being a part of the show where it was explained that their special powers came from radiation.

It's ingrained, but that doesn't change what radiation does to your DNA when you're exposed to it.

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As far as Ted and Peter being dangerous goes, that's not really a continuity problem. That's a twist that I think improved the story. Peter is sort of on a downward spiral towards evil because he believes that is his destiny, which is way more interesting than the radioactive guy being an angry radioactive guy.

I never said it was a continuity problem, but it's a creative decision that I didn't appreciate simply because Peter is being made into the kind of Superman for the show. I liked it better when it seemed like the Heroes would have to unite to defeat the forces of evil, more like a justice league approach.

Peter's uninteresting in general. That's my main problem with it. And personally I think a wild card like Ted (Who is interesting because after the death of his wife it's obvious HE is the one spiraling into evil) is a WHOLE lot more compelling as an antagonist for the show and a way to drive the action forward than predictable self-pity machine Pete.

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Have you forgotten that Ted wanted to take hostages in the first place? That he pulled the trigger in his head?
He has nothing left to live for, and he's ready to endanger innocents in order to get what he wants, whether that is what he ultimately needs or not.

I'd say if anyone other than Sylar is in danger of being evil, it has to be Ted.

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Originally Posted by Grail

Ted was going to go to extreme lengths to get what he needed, an answer, to know that he wasn't going to be killing everyone around him....and if he needed to kill a few innocent people in the process, so be it.

The only thing stopping Ted from going nuclear is Ted. He has obviously been practicing(!) using his powers and can command them, up to a point. (Like getting shot, for example.)

You're giving me a "ends justifies the means" argument for all of this, and if you've ever seen any superhero that isn't the Punisher, you know that doesn't fly well.

To answer your question, yes, I would say Isaac definitely slipped off the rung when he started shooting at Peter. Peter hadn't done anything, and Isaac as much as admitted that the whole reason he had done what he had done was to get back at Peter for "stealing" his girlfriend. If you think his behavior was selfless then you're not paying nearly enough attention.

Originally Posted by The Furious One

Now you are just asking for a huge injection of cheese. So many shows and movies have tried the whole lets gang together to defeat evil, and have failed, its much better when theres a couple of main characters and the rest of the team work in the background or go on their own path. Look at xmen 2 and 3 and the recent smallville justice league episode, im still left with a bitter taste in my mouth from that episode.

Look, I'm not saying they should become the justice league. You've seen this show before. You know it isn't the X-Men movie or Smallville (ugh). So far, it's taken a much more realistic approach to the notion of a superhero.

Which is why I dislike the idea of a singular, all-powerful superhero like they're trying to make Peter out to be. I'd much rather see how the heroes interact with one another. That doesn't mean every episode is a snuggle fest, Isaac case-in-point. Heroes can remain heroes and still have spats with one another, or have a falling out, or even have a crisis of conscience or faith.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by dusk

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Side note: Was anyone else bothered by the fact that Hiro learned how to use the sword in such a short time?

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Like Xellos, That was actually part and parcel of what bothered me about this episode. It seems like they just realized they have a limited number of episodes this season, and they're trying to wrap everything up in a nice little bow in the span of 3 eps.

I guess you could just attribute it to the "finale" atmosphere, but I felt kinda frustrated that there were so many characters that seemed ultimately to be just red herrings in the master plan.

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Originally Posted by Will

All I can say is that George Takei is awesome.

Do you think there was any significance to the younger eyes reflected in his sword when he held it up? I wonder if he's been alive for a really long time.

I noticed that too, and I wasn't sure if that was just a stylistic thing or if maybe he was supposed to be alive for a long time.

Maybe he is himself/is a student of Kensei? That'd be pretty cool.

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Originally Posted by Will

I don't think it's particularly likely, especially given his limited role in the bastard future, but might the Hatian be the one Molly can't find, the one that can see her when she looks for him?[/spoiler]

My first thought when Molly mentioned not being able to see someone was the Haitian. Maybe he is a lot more significant/powerful than anyone gave him credit for. It wouldn't surprise me to see them introduce a new ubervillain in that way. (i.e. right under our collective noses)

The Peter flying thing bothered me too. Maybe it was just that not exploding took all his concentration, so that if he tried to do two things at once, he would be bound to go off.

I'm really disappointed with the illuminati/old heroes side of things. I know they don't want to have everything explained in the first season, but I never bought for a second that these people would be willing to let millions die for a political/social engineering agenda. Hopefully we'll see more of their motivations and past experiences in season two.

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Well, I mean I understand it on a perfunctory level-- I saw the "explanation" episode with Linderman, and presumably they each want to save the world in their own deluded way, but I guess what I'm getting at is that I didn't understand what would drive them to take such an extremist view. I didn't buy it because it seemed to be too easy, too much like a cliche villain.

I realize we're talking about a show that uses comic books as source material, but still. =p

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Originally Posted by striped phantom

Does anyone know what the cockroach signifies?

If I remember right, the cockroach was part of the series introduction and talking about "evolution," so it was likely an attempt to say something about coming full circle, or perhaps evolving into the next part of the series. Never mind that those are hissing cockroaches and wouldn't normally be seen in the U.S. outside of a lab or zoo environment. =p

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?