VGL - Split Discussion

Originally Posted by Mr. Maul

I presume you intend this thread to be dedicated to spreading bad publicity of PLAY!

Not really.

Maybe you have no idea what it's like to pour your entire heart, soul and passion into something only to have it confused and written off as something else instead. Especially when that "something else" spreads lies about you for their own gain.

But I see your point in terms of the name of the thread. To be honest I didn't really think about it in detail too much. It was the first thing to come to my mind. Now that you bring up the point I can understand where you would be coming from. I was actually going to say "Play! show cancelled - VGL still on" but thought that THAT would have been taken as being mean.

If you're a mod... please feel free to change the title. I tried in the EDIT tool but can't seem to find out how to do it. I really don't care and honestly feel like you may have read into the whole thing a bit too much. No conspiracy theories here. They canceled and people think it's us. Call the thread whatever you would like... as long as the message gets across and people know not to confuse us and spread wrong information (like you yourself have even admitted to in the past... by no fault of your own... just misinformation.)


Thanks.


Tommy





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Originally Posted by GoldfishX

That's what I was thinking when I read the main post. The title and the post didn't seem to make sense together.

Could a mod please change the title of this thread to...

"VGL New Haven show is still happening"

...or else just delete it entirely and I'll put the info in the VGL thread.

Sorry to have caused such a fuss.


T.T.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Maul

Kairi, you twist my words and make far too many assumptions. I'm not supporting PLAY! I'm aware of the farce and was somewhat disappointed by the concert I attended. You didn't see the original thread and how the title was worded; there was a problem and most agreed.

I'll clarify my standpoint on this matter. I find it incredibly bad how childish Tommy and Jason's argument has got on both sides. I find both parties full of bullshit and wouldn't trust either of them; this isn't going to change no matter what Tommy says. I lost my faith in PLAY!, Eminence, and VGL in the thread where the argument was made public. I don't dismiss the quality of both VGL and PLAY!'s productions and feel both should satisfy fans. It's just a pity that everything has become so commercial, unprofessional, and competitive. Way to go, Tommy and Jason.

As for 'professional stride', making public the argument in a forum partly dedicated to illegal downloading seems much more unprofessional than anything Jason has done. Tommy has done everything but slander. As for being outwardly honest about it, I'm sure he's doing as many underhand things as Jason. I believe he's fake and it makes me sick.

I don't have much more to say on the matter. I know I'll be flamed and resented for expressing this. Whatever Tommy's response, it won't gain my trust or respect back, even if I still would like to one day attend VGL for the sake of a pleasant evening.

Dear Mr. Maul,

You are the one who should be ashamed.

Your attitude is quite alarming for someone who calls themselves a video game music fan.

I take great insult in you daring to call me "full of shit", "unprofessional", "slanderous", "underhanded" and "untrusting".

Your hateful attitude and bullshit assumptions are completely out of line. Maybe you're embarrassed because I shot down every ridiculous notion you had about our show? I'm not sure. But I believe that if anyone here today acted unprofessionally, slanderous, untrusting and full of shit... it was you.

I feel that you very much owe me an apology for the way you have treated me and the video game music community. I have always been kind in answering your false accusations but you have crossed the line here today and I will definitely have nothing to do with you from this point forward. From what others have PM'd me... this isn't the first time this side of you has reared its ugly head. You may want to consider reassessing the way you treat people in the future. There obviously seems to be some kind of disconnect and problem with the way you choose to handle certain "online" situations. I only hope that for your own good you're really not like this is "real" life.

And one other thing... I just want you to be very aware... I don't care about your trust or respect one bit. I find it a bit egotistical to try using that as some kind of carrot over my head. Negative and untrusting people who lash out in disrespect and hatred for something they clearly don't understand or can't comprehend are not the type of people who I care to associate myself with or care too much about.

You have made a mockery of my concert, this thread and video game music in general. Please do me (and probably everyone else) a favor by not responding to me or speaking YOUR BULLSHIT or YOUR SLANDER.

You sir are the UNPROFESSIONAL one. You should be ashamed of yourself.


Tommy

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Mr. Maul

I don't think he states the facts and that's all; he twists them, exaggerates them, and puts spin on them while also self-promoting, much like Yura of Eminence.

You're the one who is full of shit, exaggerating and putting "spin" on things.
You're the one who has turned a nice thread into something negative.

The evidence is pretty black & white bud. I really don't think you're that stupid not to realize that.

I'd actually prefer it if you didn't respond in here any more. I refuse to be accused, harrassed and called a liar when I have done absolutely nothing but tell the truth.

For most of you... thank you all for being so kind and generous with your praise. I have way too many other things to be focusing on than childish, negative, immature crap like the vile I've heard here today from Mr. Maul. I prefer to focus on the positives in life.


Tommy




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Originally Posted by Mr. Maul

Cool! I've never seen you publicly lose your temper before, though I knew it was in there.

Please...

Not everyone reads into everything as negative as you do. Just because you have a chip on your shoulder when you read my remarks doesn't mean that's how they were written or intended. Go back and read it again sporto... no where did I lose my temper. Only telling you to look in the mirror and be ashamed.



Tommy





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Originally Posted by Kairi Li

Have you even BEEN to the Play! Website?! That Rinoa on the big damn screen is a fake, and has been mentioned by Tommy before, witth NO EXAGGERATIONS. The concert venues they claimed to have been were also fake, I'd would have known if Play! went to Asia for instance, my mother constantly reads about up coming concerts cause she's a classical fan. In what way did he exaggerated? All I see its facts that I myself did my research and confirmed, since the majority of them came from their damn website.

Heh, looks like they just took everything down that was fake. But that Rinoa image is forever embedded in my mind... That was from Dear Friends, and last I heard from concet goers, Play! doesn't have the rights to use Square Images. I DID my research, time to do yours.

Kairi,

I think it's pretty obvious from all of this that Mr. Maul is in constant contact with Mr. Paul... wait a sec?? Mr. Maul??? Mr. Paul???

Hmmmm?????

Makes ya wonder doesn't it!

Hahahahahahaaa!!

The bottom line however is that the Play! folks are obviously reading every word of this but refuse to respond and when they constantly get called out on their bullshit they make the little changes to their website.

I think it's pretty clear what the story is.


Tommy

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Originally Posted by hsimons

Mr. Maul, please, we have gone around the world with the issues about our so-called 'lies' and 'exaggerations'. I can't speak for Tommy or Video Games Live, but I can say that everything Yura and I have posted is 100% accurate. I'm just a bit puzzled why we keep touching on this issue.

If you don't trust producers, that's fine. But accusing them and labeling them with potentially harmful comments (which effectively highlights the whole organization in theory) and without a real cause (other than 'you don't trust them') can be damaging.

Yes. I agree as well. This is the point I was trying to make to him but instead he continues to react hostile and on the offensive. He doesn't seem to understand that saying things like "ALL THE CONCERT PROMOTORS AND PRODUCERS ARE EVIL, LYING, SELF-PROMOTING, MONEY GRUBBING JERKS" isn't bad for all of the hard work that each of us has to endure day after day.... whether it's us, Play!, Emmenence... whoever.

It's so easy for someone like him to sit in his ivory tower of doubt and distrust and throw insults and lies on us... but then cover it up by saying things like... "but I still want to go to your show if your ever in town again".

Geez thanks.



Tommy

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Originally Posted by Kairi Li

I hope you can get over your misanthropic attitude and be able to see who these people really are, not producers looking for a way for a quick buck, but musicians and creative people showing the word that video game music is not lame or stupid or kiddies stuff. Its an amazing world filled with different stories to tell through music.

Yeah... it does get a little annoying when he calls me some concert producer... as if I have no other vested interest besides money in trying to acheive my goal and dream of helping to legitimize this industry as I have continued to do for the past 17 years of my career.

He won't listen Kairi... It's not even worth wasting our time or energy.

Lets just ignore it and move on.

Instead... lets see some really cool footage I just watched from our show in San Francisco Friday night...




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uopqwVYy0W8

http://video.ap.org/v/en-ap/v.htm?g=...advnj&fg=email

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxwMtU05Pbc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as6ODJmzYAU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsu4Tzgahoo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czOH_kR5rEw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otE1bq2pCOI


Cool review from Game Informer (#1 game magazine in the world):
http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Sto...1811.11992.htm

Cool reviewers blog of the experience: http://candiceshane.wordpress.com/20...s/#comment-135



Tommy

I was speaking idiomatically.

Dear Mr. Maul,

Please read the following with a calm easy tone in your head... just as I am typing it.

The more and more you speak the more and more you put your foot in your mouth. Again I must stress... YOU are the one with the lies and misinformation at this point.... and once again... you should be ashamed.

Let me once again pick apart your feeble attempts at what you believe to be the truth. You are so off base on this it's really sad.

Originally Posted by Mr. Maul

However, when VGL and Eminence are unofficial partners, I find any post you make on the issue biased. It'd be interesting if VGL and Eminence were enemies again, but with Tommy, I guess there's only two things -- allies and antagonists.

WRONG. You are lying. We are not "unofficial" partners. Just people who appreciate each others work. Enemies again?? See... this is EXACTLY the kind of rubbish that you should be ashamed of. VGL and Eminence have NEVER been enemies. What the HELL are you talking about??? You have once again put a black mark on the video game concert industry by spreading your misinformation to the masses. Just like the time you told everyone here that we don't work with "PROFESSIONAL SYMPHONY'S". Your opinions are obviously flawed and why anyone would believe a word from you at this point is beyond me.

Originally Posted by Mr. Maul

If Tommy, Yura, and Jason continue their respective feuds, public perception of VGM will falter and people will lose respect for these concerts of great potential.

Wake up my friend... what you have shown here tonight has damaged what you supposedly sit in your ivory tower and attempt to defend.

Originally Posted by Mr. Maul

I'm sorry for the offense I've caused and promise I won't derail a thread like this again. However, something needs to change.

Yes... you need to wake up and stop attacking all of us.

Originally Posted by Mr. Maul

Everyone is spreading lies about each other and it's a big mess.

Nope... not everyone. Just you and Play!

Originally Posted by Mr. Maul

I haven't lied; I've expressed an opinion that may or may not be valid.

Um... yes you have AND it would seem that your opinion is not valid on a truthful sense considering your past history in these matters.

Originally Posted by Mr. Maul

I have nothing to quote.

Obviously! Because what you have said about me is a load of bullshit.

Originally Posted by Mr. Maul

However, one example of Eminence and VGL lying back was about PLAY! using illegal images/clips; turned out that wasn't the case after all after both of you insisted that was so.

Wow! You really don't get it huh? I'm actually starting to feel a little sad for you at this point. Then again the more I read the more obvious it is that you are part of Play!... so whatever. It's cool... but still.... WOW!!

As mentioned by the Eminence folks... I could sit here all night and show you proof of a LOT of things... but we are not the people who you feel the need to tear down. THAT WOULD be unprofessional... just like you are being by calling me a liar and full of shit.

Originally Posted by Mr. Maul

You responded antagonistically to a reasonable point and Tommy lost his temper to my expression of mistrust. I tried to leave it, as I knew it were not productive, but, as usual, we all dig the hole deeper and still make VGM concerts look like a rut in general.

Could you please just stop the ego trip for a second? Once again... I never lost my temper... I just called you out on your attack and this is how you're reacting.

Originally Posted by Mr. Maul

but at least the arrangement is original (unlike VGL's carbon copy).

Wow! I guess you aren't as passionate and knowledgable about VGM as you want people to believe. Unorignial Carbon Copy? Please let me know where you've heard MSG 1 & 2 combined together while played with exclusive video created by me & Hideo Kojima all while actors are performing the game on stage with completely synchronized lighting.

Yup.... ya got us there didn't ya?

Um....



But yeah... keep the insults and lies flying. We're all ready and waiting for your next whim of opinion about us that randomly pops into your head.

Originally Posted by Mr. Maul

They've acted unprofessionally, attempted to insult me, and have contributed unfavourably to VGM unity.

Ah!! I'm starting to understand now. If we defend ourselves from your misinformation and other lies we are acting unprofessional, insulting you and destroying VGM. I get it. Thanks for clearing that up.

Originally Posted by Mr. Maul

I've already clarified this issue. hsimons already explicitly said that VGL and Eminence assumed a breach of copyright, but never had it officially confirmed. I would not trust a single thing you said on this issue. Until SE gives explicit confirmation that these images are illegal, we should assume the claims of VGL and Eminence are dubious.

Oh God! Will you please just stop with your semantic bullshit. There has been proof thrown in your face time and time again. You are obviously close to, working with or are Play! No one else here finds it funny that we've been posting FACTS and then 2 seconds later it magically disappears off of the website?? And then the only thing he keeps bringing up is this one video image... when literally TONS of other things are out there and then get mysteriously cleaned up as they're mentioned.

You crack me up. Everything you are trying poorly to defend you are completely guilty of yourself and everyone sees it. Hilarious!

Originally Posted by Mr. Maul

Anyway, I'm going round with circles with you, so I'm getting out of here. I don't think I have anything more to say.

Best news we've had all night.

Originally Posted by Kairi Li

Calling VGL a band, now THAT is a lie.

Don't forget telling everyone they played New Zealand, Asia & South America also. Don't forget advertising that they are the only video game concert touring the world. Don't forget telling people they were playing with the Indianapolis Symphony when they weren't. Don't forget advertising that they are represented by IMG Artists on their website when they aren't (that one is still up there although I'm sure it will be taken down and changed very soon... right Maul?)





T.T.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Before this thread was railroaded I had posted the following. In case it gets lost in all the negative crap flying around I want to repost it because I'd like to get the passionate andn positive folks in here to help out. Please help the cause.

Thanks,


Tommy


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We are currently putting together our European tour which will take place in November & December.

If there is anyone reading this from a Europen country here is how you can help...


Please list your country (or one you are very familiar with) and please let us know what the best gaming websites, groups, conventions, magazines, gaming events, etc. cover video games.

Here are the list of possible countries we are curently speaking with and considering...

UK
Germany
Scandinavia
Italy
Greece
Istanbul
Spain
Portugal
Switzerland
France
Poland
Hungary
Czech Republic
Russia
Belgium

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks,


Tommy

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Interesting response above isn't it? Whose the bullshitter? Whose the liar?

I just recieved this wonderfully rude PM from Mr. Maul right after he posted above. I don't really care if it was a PM or not. At this point I don't feel this guy deserves anything more than being embarrassed. He definitely has some issues that he needs sorting out. Obviously some kind of jealous or envy thing going on here? I don't know. He is starting to scare me a little bit though and I'll be reporting him to the board moderators. Just want there to be public proof about how screwy this guy truly is. I hope this response destroys any kind of credibility this poster may have had (although according to my inbox is very doubtful).


Tommy

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Hello Tommy,

I decided to PM you instead of cluttering your inappropriate thread further, risking the chance of Eminence and VGL united and the naive freak called Seraph producing inane responses. Quite surreal PMing a so-called composer in such a way, but nonetheless mildly amusing. I was shocked and entertained by your posts when you're finally met with some well-deserved mistrust.

I read your response calmly as suggested. Fortunately, there was nothing there to provoke any negative feelings. Again, a pile of poor comebacks intended for public spin. A strange attempt at humiliation but nothing substantiated was said and your responses were mind-numbingly hackneyed. Your dumbness and closed-mindedness have honestly astounded me. I'm sure you provide good encouragement for Kairi, who seems to worship you despite having a slightly higher intellect.

I used to respect you, mainly because of word of mouth. I respected Jason, Thomas, and Yura as well. Now I just see you're another unprofessional egotistical hypocrite who is out for themselves. Your narrow-minded attitude and stubborness are the principle reasons why VGL is continually being undermined. You are equally to blame for the mess with PLAY! and your concert is no better and certainly more tasteless.

Tonight you showed your true colours. Safe to say, you are a very unpleasant and stupid person with a few anger-management and paranoia issues to boot. I'm sad for you that VGL didn't work out as you liked it, but I'm relieved that no all the slimy showmen in the world go completely without hitches.

Like you, Jason's a dickhead, but at least he doesn't subject illegal forums to his wrath or insist on composing. You're nothing special. Even your compositions are extremely clichéd whether rock or orchestral. Seems your best feature are your looks! Congrats, though, on being lucky until now. It must feel great rolling in it with artless music by your side.

Tommy, I don't feel anger towards you, but you are an embarrassing reflection of everything that is wrong with America and the commercial music world. As a sign of hostility and lack of desire to attend a concert filled with your stench and Wall's drivel, I will not be coming to the next England VGL concert. I probably have a uni ball or something to go to anyway.

I really hope you and Jason sort something out for the sake of VGM, though I'd much prefer it if you two didn't exist in the first place. Oh, and stop influencing Yura so much. He's young, emotionally charged, and mentally challenged, willingly swayed by someone outwardly charismatic as you. You're contributing to his quest to destroy all his integrity. You, though, Sir / my friend, have none left.

Yours truly and you're welcome for the compliment,
Chris


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My response back was simply...

Originally Posted by Tommy Tallarico
You're a sad little jealous man. You will obviously amount to nothing in this life. Have a good one.

T.T.


For which he replied...


I'm an Oxford biochemistry student doing pretty well for myself, so thanks for the input.


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Please let it be known that I am no longer interested in having any kind of contact with this person now and in the future. This will be my very last post about him so for all the people who PM'd me thanking me for putting him in his place... I'm no longer going to do it. Just know that his integrity is completely shot and he is an obvious cancer to VGM. He blasts everyone associated with game music concerts... including Thomas Boecker. Obviously he can't stand the fact that we are all succeeding in something he only wishes he could accomplish in his own life.


Internet drama FTW!



Moving on....



Tommy

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?