Gang raped by 7 men? That's 200 lashes

Originally Posted by Acacia

Alright. Please tell me that I'm mis-reading this part. Am I correct in thinking that she was fine with this sentence? That she was alright with the jail-time and the lashes?

I think it is akin to how, in trials in the US, the defendant uses legal means to protest his sentence but is "okay" with whatever the judge finally hands down.

Put more simply, if the punishment for speaking to the biased towards Saudi media about the case had her punishment increased two-fold, then can you imagine what sort of punishment she would receive for telling the judges that she wasn't fine with her sentence?

Anyway Devo's right. It's not Islam doing this any more than it's Christianity that perpetuates fucked up Russian laws or rulings. It's a fucked-up society and a government that's corrupt to the core.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

The article mentioned their jail time was increased but didn't say anything about lashes.

Lashes are tough, they usually have to dole them out at most 40 a day, because you run the risk of killing your prisoner if you do more.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

There's a law in Sharia that says that thou shalt not talk to the media, for if thou does, thou shalt have twice as much punishment rained down on thee from the heavens and thou's bloodline will be impure for three generations hence?

Islam is thorough, nigga.

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Originally Posted by Kolba

The woman knows the law and she can play by the rules. She doesn't. She knows she's breaking the law, she does it anyway. She's punished for it. Yeah, they're backward rules but 'sup Islam. Scenario 2. The woman is kidnapped and raped, she has no power or self-determination over what happens to her. She's punished for it.

And you can't understand that an article written to make it seem like B happened, when it was actually A that happened

Actually, both happened.

The woman broke a law (oshi) that has an irrational punishment attached to it (oshi). However she was kidnapped and raped, and there is nothing in the article that says she was going to the hood or wearing her burqua in a sexy way to provoke such an attack. Saudi Arabia is many things, but it isn't Baghdad - being found outside of your compound isn't asking to be kidnapped.

So you have a situation where a woman was breaking a law that is difficult to enforce, and during that she was victimized in a horrific manner. In order to see her rapists brought to justice she went public with her own transgressions - a brave act. The problem is not only that the punishment is harsh for something that is minor - and difficult to enforce - but also that she was given a punishment that much more severe for talking about how crappy her judgement is.

I mean, it's all there in the article. I can only assume you're unable to read. Ask your mom and dad to read articles for you next time - that saves you precious time and effort you can then put into savings, which means you never feel anchored to a unique thought and you can feel like a free man.

It's a position which has brought you untold freedom, and opened up chance opportunities, such as being able to drop all logic and reason and go galavanting off to different forums on the internet for weeks at a time pretending to be a libertarian, a bleeding-heart hippie, a tough-but-fair misogynist fuck, or a teenage know-it-all, several times a year. You also never want for time. Your friend has moved out of his mothers' politics and suddenly he became a very boring person, since it's impossible to get him to troll anything. 'Bit retarded argument here, mate'. Well I am, and I'm fucking loving it.

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I'm just saying. Being bothered by a misleading title is one (dumb) thing, but you're in a different ballpark altogether.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Here's a recent article that doesn't even say anyone confessed to an affair. The closest it says is that she met this guy without a chaperone, and that the ministry claims she was 'in a state of undress' but then again they are the same guys who think talking to a government-sympathetic news agency is worth an additional 110 lashes.

Also, I found no evidence so far that the rapists are getting any lashes at all. I'm just saying.

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That is not their penalty. In the OP they are sentenced to jail, no beheading though.

Another article with possible explanation:

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The men were initially sentenced to one to five years in jail, but those terms were also toughened last week to between two and nine years.

A rape conviction carries the death penalty in Saudi Arabia, but the court did not impose it due to the "lack of witnesses" and the "absence of confessions," the justice ministry said on Tuesday.

bummer

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Ghodbane

Fact: Right-wing jewish interests control the crux of mainstream media AND shape American foreign policy a great deal (the most powerful lobbyists being American Israeli Public Affairs Committee - read the "Isreal Lobby").

Not the drug companies?

Not Haiburton and Blackwater?

Not the RIAA / MPAA?

the NRA?

Big Tobacco?

the AARP?

The Moral Majority?

cuz they all powerful.

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before I start - niki? Stop being so racist. I know they're brown, not black, and you're french and not American, but it still counts!

Originally Posted by Chiribo

Woman is cheating on her husband with some random bloke.

According to the same officials who feel that speaking to the media alone is worth 120 lashes, yes. The evidence only points to that she met the man without a chaperone in a public place, which is where they were kidnapped.

Now, I ain't never had extra-marital affairs before, but I don't generally have them in public while living in extremely repressive countries. What I am saying is that you are failing at critical reading skills, but that's okay, you think women deserve to be raped so your opinion doesn't matter.

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Now in order to get justice for being raped, the lying whore of a wife, goes to the police or whatever and tells them of the details.

She was actually forced to tell when the husband found out from a third party that the rapists were bragging about the deed. I know you haven't read much about the case, but that's okay, you think it's ambitious beyond a woman's station for her to want to see rapists be punished.

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Court hears it all out, including about the woman cheating, and punishes all the rapists with 5+ years in jail and several hundred lashes each

Originally they got 1-5 years in jail, and no lashes

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and because the woman was cheating on her husband she got jail time and 90 lashes or whatever.

Because the woman was caught with a male non-relative in public she was sentenced to 90 lashes and six months in jail. The last part is kind of rubbing me the wrong way, but you think that lashes aren't all that big of a deal because you haven't seen Roots before cuz you're racist, so whatever. You have no real concept of what you're talking about, because you think laws are just in the countries in which they were enacted - except for the paltry unenforceable laws you break every day, but who cares about those? I bet you reckon you wouldn't break them if it meant your hide.*

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Now she's unhappy for being brought to justice herself

Rosa Parks was unhappy for being brought to justice. Am I comparing the civil rights movement with some raped broad in some dick country? I am.

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under the law that she lives

No seriously, do you guys think laws change on their own? That, when all the other business was done, the white men on capitol hill just decided to end segregation for the fuck of it?

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and complains to the media about it.

The Saudi-sympathetic media. Put in context you would understand, since you cannot do this on your own - it's like if I was punished for burning an American flag, and instead of bitching to Oprah or the New York Post I decided to do an interview on the O'Reily Factor. You dumb, dumb shit.

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The courts, give her the royal middle finger

It is not the job of the courts to give anyone the middle finger, not even when they're lying bitches. I know, it's unfair and women totally take advantage of it, but that is why courts exist, to exert rule of law, not rule through law. It's an important distinction you will never make because you lack the intellectual creativity to do so.

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and increase her lashes, but also at the same time increase the lashes and jail time of the actual rapists.

Talking about her sentence gave her more than double her original lashes, and the rapists? Only an additional one year of jail, no lashes at all.

Oh - and that cell phone coverage you mentioned earlier? It was not admitted as evidence. The fact that the men were bragging about their conquest, which brought this whole thing to light - in other words, no one would have been punished for kidnapping and raping this woman 14 times otherwise? It was not enough evidence for the charge of rape, and that is why none of the men will be lashed or beheaded.

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End of. Neh?

Quite. Why don't you watch Bleach some more, where women who are mean are punished and it all makes sense, you obnoxiously racist otaku fuck.

* no, you probably still would. Severe punishments tend to be poor deterrents for unenforceable laws, otherwise we'd still have Prohibition.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Chiribo

Personally I am all for treating women fairly, but I'm not going to get in a pissy about something which is totally out of my control / care boundary.

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No, so stop putting your fucking interpretations as the righteous truth.

oh.

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The BBC's sources say the woman admitted to have an extra marital affair with the guy who was found in the car with her.

No, it didn't. Observe:

Originally Posted by bbc article in question

Saudi justice officials say a woman who was sentenced to prison and flogging after she was gang-raped has now confessed to an extramarital affair.

I helpfully linked an article that you ignored:

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“She went out with him without a mahram, a legal guardian, and exchanged forbidden affairs through the illegal khalwa,” the statement said. “They both confessed to doing what God forbids.”

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The sentence of the two rape victims is based on the Saudi interpretation of “khalwa”, the principle that an unrelated man and woman cannot be in seclusion together. The interpretation of “khalwa” under Saudi law — which judges say is the proper interpretation of the Sunnah — includes unrelated men and women being together even in public.

That is the affair.

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Her attackers sentences were also doubled you illiterate fuck.

Their sentences were increased from 1-5 years to 2-9 years (I thought it said 7 originally). Can you math?

Although I guess 1 x 2 = 2, so yeah, you win

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And in regards to the lashes? Well one of the articles I read, said the men got a combined total of 2000+ lashes, so now who the fuck you going to believe?

Link it, bitch. I haven't seen anything like that.

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You seriously have to question yourself, why would I seriously care about that girl? To me she's nothing more than some simple idea that will be forgotten sooner than you'd think. What I care more about is HM C&R loosing the data of 25million people in the fucking post. Why? Because it may affect me. For all I really care, she could’ve been murdered after she was raped, I know I wouldn’t loose any sleep over it. Am I a cold emotionless fuck to people I’ve never met? Yes. Does that bother me? Not in the slightest.

Ohh you want to know what I cared about recently? I cared about the fact that a pottential Plasma TV I was thinking of buying was in fact using almost twice the power of the similarly sized LCD TV. That I cared about. Why? Well I'd have a bigger electricity bill for one, and well, not a huge fan of pollution. And so because of that care, I went for LCD TV.

Apathy, I fucking love it.

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I'm not going to get in a pissy about something which is totally out of my control / care boundary.

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get in a pissy about something which is totally out of my control

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Ohh, and insulting me by calling me a Bleach loving otaku? Seriously, just, seriously... try a lot harder, kk?

So are you an Ichigo / Rukia dude, or are you more into Ichigo / Orihime? Maybe you like the arrancar girls better, since they're not nice goody-goodies. Hey, what'd you get on your "Which Character From Death Note Am I" quiz? I got Light!

cared enough to diss tho~

How ya doing, buddy?

In movies and books, especially cheap older paperbacks, usually the author would want to trump up his characters' traits, but would not know all that much about them. He may be writing a spy novel - it's a fair shot that he wouldn't know much about spying, or state of the art surveillance equipment; he probably wouldn't know much about assassins or bomb experts, or political machinations in several disparate countries, or what it takes to be a persuasive and charismatic political leader.

Therefore, instead of showing actual skill or knowledge about these fields and traits, he takes all of them backstage and has the other characters hype up their deeds. Usually this is fine for like physical acts, but when it's a character trait like the persuasive and charismatic political leader and that character needs to be on all the time, it's really noticeable that he isn't.

Do you know what I'm trying to say? I'm saying that, next time you get into an internet fight, don't decide halfway through an opus of a post that you suddenly don't care, and then continue posting about it.

Tell me more about how little you care in 10,000 words or less.

also laughing at your sig

you have the same characterization as a Mary-Sue character

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

You counted your last post's wordcount to prove a point to me.

The point proven is not that you're too aloof to care.

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Originally Posted by niki

ITT people jump at the throat of neutral people who value accuracy.

Originally Posted by Chiribo

the lying whore of a wife

FAIR AND BALANCED

I was speaking idiomatically.

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Oh, my bad, you define what your stance is in your first post. Everything after that is to be ignored.

lying whore of a wife jesus christ you frognigger

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You're one to talk about keywords, when the only thing the guy said that approached neutral was that the thread's title was inflammatory.

Oh well, you think Islam is different than Christianity because people can twist Islam to evil purposes, where Christianity is a solid bedrock of time-proven scripture. whatev~

lying whore of a wife is the new accuracy

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Chiribo

What's the problem exactly? I was marely providing a summary of alleged events so far.

There's no problem here, I was just saying you're wrong and have no capacity for critical thought. Then you went on about how your sippy cup was too full of guran lagaan episodes for you to think about anything else, and I lost interest at that point because I don't like dealing with adult babies.

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Look at it from this way: If I was caught downloading copyrighted material and made a fuss about paying $200k+ in damages, all of you would say I knew the law and what I would have to endure as punishment and to shut the fuck up.

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