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Originally Posted by Snowknight

The example provided--that nasty n-word--is a racial slur for some unknown reason. Maybe I need to be black to understand it, but the logic that "the slave masters called us that" doesn't work for me. Or maybe I'm just a fucking bigot.

yeah, that's basically it right there, Klanny McWhitePower.

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Originally Posted by Denicalis

So shut the fuck up if you don't know.

Was it funny? Not really. The interrupting the white man line was pretty good, but over all it was pretty fucking unfunny. But that's mostly because Michael Richards is mostly unfunny. However, the black guy did call him a cracker-ass. That's a racial slur too. Someone yell at that ignant ass nigga.

Far be it for me, of anyone, to keep someone from doing the whole racial slur thing. Just make it funny. The retorts in question was too painfully bitter to work.

cracker-ass is not a slur and you know it. It attempts to be but it's hard to use terms that imply domination and superiority on the dominate racial group. That's why you go for the fag jokes imply that he has a black baby accuse his women of being slutty and unfulfilled at home ATTACK THE WEAK POINT FOR MASSIVE DAMAGE I got nothin'.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Snowknight

THE SOUTH WILL RISE AND LOSE AGAIN!!1

Honestly, though, I think that word has been used for too long out of its original context to be offensive.

What was its original context, to be dismissive of black folks? Cuz it's still being used that way, Klanny.

lol original context, language evolves, etc

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Snowknight

Ok, I admit defeat.
I will promptly burn a cross on myself.

I still don't understand why certain uses of the word are offensive. For some people--usually those of older generations--the word is used not to express an undying hate for black people but, rather, as the primary word that they were taught for referring to black people. Yes, it is up to the offended to decide, but I'd like them to be a bit less caustic about it. Guh, I don't know.

I'm still going to burn a cross on myself, though

one can only assume that darkies understand that insults are contextual, and that someone is more likely to come across a racist person than a racist and also a race traitor.

Personally I would like dudes to buy my drinks everywhere I go without the implied sex at the end of the night but we don't always get what we want. Don't know why you would even think it's appropriate to insist that black people sanction you calling your (black?) friends nigger, though.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by LeHah

Assuming that all blacks are not savages, of course.

That is a fairly safe assumption.

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I bet you dollars to donuts we wouldn't have seen this if it was Bobcat Goldwaith screaming about chinks.

because no one goes to his shows anymore?

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Minion

With all due respect, that sounds like a lot of mumbo-jumbo.

Everything sounds like mumbo-jumbo when summarized in a few lines. I'm seconding the above two posts and telling you to fucking school more. You should not be so proud of your own ignorance.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Minion

If my college experience (which is very similar to everyone else's that I've spoken too) is any indication of the quality of this kind of class, then it is probably a lot of bullshit. You can't teach a thing like this in a classroom. It's something you have to know from experience.

It's time again for Choose Your Own Response!
If you're an obnoxious pedant with no creativity, go to response 3.
If you're a caustic asshole, go to response 1.
If you want to make a ghost of a point that will be ignored anyway (in between passive-agressive racist arguments), go to response 2.

1) As a white man, I'm sure you learned all the effects of racism you need to know from off the streets.

2) You're using ancedotal evidence to back up your claim that something you never studied is bullshit.

3) "I've spoken too"? Are you even for real.

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Originally Posted by rocketdog

I think the problem isn't Minion but the fact that you are all kids (and yes I'll name names here, Deni, Lehah, Lurker) and are still moved by words, like nigger. Grow up. Any sophisticated, educated person will be able to take a racial slur, and just brush it aside.

Aren't you the kid who taught himself classical music from the Sheet Music forum, and now bitch about every girl who dates you because they aren't as refined or cultured as you?

I would give you a better response, but you ask for ego stroking on the internet. You don't deserve better.

I'm just bitter because you're right, though. I would never countance someone saying the n word in my presence.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by LeHah

I call people poor all the time. I also call people WTP all the time (White Trash Poor).

apropos of nothing, if you actually called them the acronym that's gay. BUT. If you called them WTC (White Trash Cunts) then that validates your entire existance.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Minion

I have to admit, you know yourself well. If only you could decipher a point.

I'm not saying *I* know anything. I'm saying there are things you can't learn in a classroom. Do you understand that? Or maybe this argument stems from your relative lack of real social experience? I'm just trying to sort things out here.

You don't need to learn "from the streets". Again, it seems as if you either didn't actually go to college, or you were a shut in the whole time. I was able to bond with people during college that I would never meet under any other circumstances in this country. African-Americans were not only present, but any American was viewed as a bit mundane in light of my school's ethnic strata. I don't honestly know how I could have learned more except by actually being black and growing up in harlem or detroit. I sure as shit wouldn't learn anything that I've learned from real interaction with human beings in any classroom.

Whoa, this cat's got claws!

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

No, no he wasn't. Just shut up already, you don't get it and every one of you people won't get it as long as you have a childish reaction as to why it's acceptable for black people to use terms deemed racist to black people.

There are many people making statements about the time and place for racist terms, about the shock value of hearing it out of an unexpected mouth and about devaluing the term entirely, but that's not what Richards was doing. He was trying to insult them. There's nothing postmodern or clever about it, it was pure anger.

I don't get it. Why do so many otherwise intelligent folks (not Minion though) feel like they're entitled to call people 'nigger' because black folks can? I'm not talking about the thuggish beatdown that these folks should be threatened with, I just.. what the hell is wrong with you guys? it's like not swearing in front of your grandmother, even if she has a cunt and an asshole and has fucked and sucked dicks in her day, dammit. It's good manners. The fuck is wrong with you.

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(when it's crap comedy, maybe!)

(this is heckling on several levels)

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Dubble

and this is exactly what i was talking about in my post.

People like Gloria Allred and Nancy Grace are bottomfeeders suckling off of the pond scum of society (i.e. these two ignorant dumbass greedy motherfuckers)

Oh man, fuck Nancy Grace. I keep trying to convince my mom that she's an opportunistic cunt (Grace, not my own mother, you jerks). The only time I watched her was when she was haranging a man for buying LACY PETERSON'S HOUSE (!). He was selling it because, I guess, he was doing poorly in the town and was going to move elsewhere for his career. Maybe there's a GHOST.

She took the camera inside and shown how the nursery was converted into a WORK OUT ROOM (!).

She was also furious that Scott Peterson was being fed and receiving medical attention while in prison. Fuck that cuntbag.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by avanent

yes, he did chose the wrong way to deal with it. But its between him and them, not the whole world. They egged him on and he retaliated inappropriately with anger. I'm not defending it, i'm just not focusing on what way too many people already are.

Ya, he screwed up. Shit happens, its not our business.

I find it interesting that you file this in the 'niggers being niggers' file, and then turn around and proclaim that no one should have an opinion unless they're Richards or the hecklers.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by avanent

is that comment directed at me?

No, I just quoted you because I like your avatar, dumbass.

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If so... would you happen to be familiar with the term eisegesis?

Cherrypicking bible quotes, right? What of it?

avanent, I wonder why it's important to you that people recognize that an event taking place in private property is a private event. Whether for better or worse, it's been thrust into the popular eye, people know about it and they have video proof of it happening. Why does it bother you if people form an opinion about this? Notwithstanding the fact that you felt entitled to form your own opinion before handing down the verdict from on high that since this was a private event in some bizarro moon-man logic of yours, therefore people should pay it no mind. Clearly we can see that it is no longer private. Why should people ignore the racist behind the curtain?

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Originally Posted by avanent

you read whatever you want to into everything a lurker. discussing anything with you, that you dont already agree with, shouldn't be bothered with.

I'm not reading anything into anything, avarent. You said very clearly that you think people shouldn't have an opinion about this unless they were directly related, but you had no problem giving us your own opinion of the events.

This could only mean...

...!

KRAMER

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by avanent

Where did I say that? you inferred that. I only stated it shouldn't be our business.

You're very bad at this game, avanent! Something that you have no business in, ideally, means something you have to ignore. You have awful reading comprenehsion, and a bloated sense of self-worth, otherwise you wouldn't think you could outsmart anyone quoting your words right at you by saying "You're reading too much into things".

Why do you hate black people, avanent? Did your mom run off with one of them?

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by avanent

you said i stated something very clearly that I didn't say at all. Instead of even trying to defend your original statement, you further yourself with personal attacks.

My original statement as far as you're concerned is that you're giving your opinion on something you have no business in, by your own words. I was just confused why you felt you had the right. You still haven't enlightened me on the topic. Why do you keep dodging it?

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No, something you 'have no business in' not only means you should not act upon it, but also that it shouldn't even be brought to your attention. Just because you ignore it doesn't mean no opinion is formed, nor does it mean that an opinion should be restrained from being formed.

But you're giving your opinion, that is an action. Why do you feel you have the right to act, and deny this right to other people?

Miss Manners thinks you're a lying nigger but don't mind her, when she grew up that's how everyone spoke

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by avanent

oh? is that exactly what you've been trying to get at? Is that exact;y what your trying to say? Ask it directly next time, and its exactly what i'll answer. Resorting to personal attacks and twisting words only muddles things.

Originally Posted by a lurker

I find it interesting that you file this in the 'niggers being niggers' file, and then turn around and proclaim that no one should have an opinion unless they're Richards or the hecklers.

Who exactly do you think you're fooling, casper?

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The whole thing isn't my business, and it should have never been brought to my attention. But it has been. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, and one will form whether or not it is wanted. On a forum, opinions are shared, and thats what I did. It isn't my business, but of course, like everyone else I have an opinion on it. My opinion wasn't exactly what I had shared at first either, but rather a bit to counter the current balance.

So it's not your business, and you have no right to act about it in any way, but since you are aware of it you'll run your mouth off. You'll also tell us over and over again about how it's none of our business and we should leave well enough alone. But since this is a discussion forum...

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by avanent

You keep asking, I keep telling. I'm not preaching, you're asking. Stop asking, I'll stop telling. You drop my topic, and I'll drop my topic. The easiest way to kill something is through neglect.

I'm asking you the why, and you keep telling me the what. It's not the same thing. Why won't you answer my question? What right do you have to act on something that isn't your business?

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in that same vein... despite you being a mod, you engage in behavior unbefitting for a role-model within the community. The behavior you display as a mod promotes and validates it. This very behavior is not only against common courtesy, but also against Bobo's desired behavior. Sure he isn't always here, but he does hold the plug, and this is his little project. Does this provide any dissonance for you?

I'm merely asking you a question. There's no need to get uppity, all I want is an answer. You keep dodging the question. Why won't you answer it?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

(Yeah, it brings out the worst in people. Except avarent, he's always been like this.)

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

(Yeah, you'd think he'd grow up a little!)

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by OctoberOmicron

(leave him alone then!)

(what's happened to you? have you gone SOFT on us?)

I was speaking idiomatically.

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Speaking of whom, PICK ONE FUCKING NAME AND STICK WITH IT YOU MOUTHBREATHING RETARD.

That's rich, Arrowhead aka NRen2k6 aka NRen2k5 aka NRen2k4.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?