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Why are people offended by the term "Islamic fascists"?
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Old Aug 13, 2006, 12:40 AM #1 of 131
Because every brown person that looks at us crook-eyed is an islamic facist. Gitmo is stuffed with islamofacists, for instance.

It's a slur, Patty. By definition bad black people are niggers but you don't get to be shocked when folks take ill to its use.

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Old Aug 13, 2006, 10:27 AM #2 of 131
Originally Posted by PattyNBK
Huh? Did you forget how to read, or do you just like antagonizing me? The term refers specifically to a select group of people, the group that others call a fanatic section of the Islamic faith. Now while that is just as accurate a description, how is "Islamic fascist" not accurate? They fit the term by definition. It has nothing to do with skin color, it has to do with the fact that the terrorists are a fanatic section of the Islamic faith trying to push their religion on the entirety of the world using violence as their primary weapon. By all definitions, they are fascists, hence "Islamic fascists".
And niggers refer to bad black people, who are niggers by the very definition of the word. I know that linear thought is beyond you but

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How is it a slur?
if a word is offensive to a lot of people and part of its definition is a subjective, negative quality (go ahead and define islamofacists who have not committed terrorism. Do they not exist?) then yes it is a slur by definition.

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"Islamic fascist" is a term being used to describe the terrorists running rampant across the globe, it's not being used to describe all Muslims in general.
Are you telling me that islamofacist has never been used indiscriminately? Really.

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Old Aug 13, 2006, 07:35 PM #3 of 131
A more accurate example are abortion clinic bombers. Most christians and pro-lifers find the bombings reprehensible, just like how most muslims aren't down with terrorism.

I don't know guys, why not call them 'terrorists' like before?

Originally Posted by Wesker
The Muslims are offended because the term accuratley describes the fact that its people of the Islamic faith who have been behind the vast majority of the terrorist incidents in the world in recent times. Instead of being offended victims, good Muslims should rise up in outrage that their religion has been hijacked by a bunch of 7th centurt radicals, and should work to make the necessary changes from within.
Oh, right, because it's important for the world to know that you don't like this religion.

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Old Aug 13, 2006, 09:20 PM #4 of 131
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a lurker? what the hell...what you just said is or atleast should be far more offensive to practicing muslims than what wesker said.
It implies you think what is being portrayed by terrorists is the real Islam. Which I don't think anybody with half a brain [openly] believes to be good.
If it's agreed that terrorists don't embody the ideals and drives of mainstream religions, then why even bring their religion into it? that is what I said. I'm sorry if this is offensive to your tell-it-like-it-is sensibilities.

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Old Aug 13, 2006, 09:30 PM #5 of 131
Do you think that us vs. them language can translate very easily into us vs. them mentalities, and that when dealing with something that is dangerously nuanced as trans-continental terrorism we shouldn't revert to patriotism and jingoism as explanations for their behavior?

What I'm trying to say is, is their religion their defining characteristic, and if not, why are you prominently displaying it in their new label?

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Old Aug 14, 2006, 12:21 PM #6 of 131
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Calling them Islamic fascists is neither jingoistic nor patriotic, it's descriptive. They aren't all from one country, so you can't call them Iranian fascists, or whatever, the unifying factor among them is their religion.
Nationalism can be applied to religions since when?

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Old Aug 14, 2006, 04:05 PM #7 of 131
You feel that islamic states have a unified culture?

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Old Aug 30, 2006, 11:40 PM #8 of 131
Dude, Cloudiroth, do you think it's a good idea to equate Iran with Nazi Germany when you can't even bother to search for the leader's name? It doesn't really do much for your credibility is all I'm saying.

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Old Aug 31, 2006, 03:01 PM #9 of 131
What relevance does pronounciation have in a web forum?

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Old Sep 1, 2006, 12:29 AM #10 of 131
Iranians are Persian.

Furthermore I'm still not getting this. You admit incompetence, it is funny, but when I point out your incompetence, it is not funny? Is this how writers only like constructive criticism if it's couched in compliments? Maybe that's why all your fanfictions are shit, Cloudiroth.

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Old Sep 1, 2006, 11:53 AM #11 of 131
That is a strange party, where getting ready involves the internet.

Look, all I'm saying is that while you're equating people to Hitler, you probably should do everything you can to shore up credibility, since that is an... extreme comparison to make. Maybe it's not the best time to be joking about how you're a culturally illiterate buffoon, you know? But what do I know about these things? You think it's nagging when people point out that you aren't as funny as you think you are.

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Old Sep 1, 2006, 08:29 PM #12 of 131
Originally Posted by Aramaethe
I think it's nagging when people say things like,"What relevance does pronunciation have in a web forum?".
I don't think 'nagging' means what you think it means, Cloudiroth.

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Originally Posted by Aramaethe
no he lied like hitler. nt on the same scale [as Hitler] but he lied.

[...]

Hitler didn't lie about weapons but i think in the end everything will be similar.
I only picked on you for not having the wherewithal to google a dude's name, and furthermore bitching like a nancy boy when someone called you out on it, because frankly your logic speaks for itself.

or in other words,

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Originally Posted by avanent
You're right, it doesn't nescarilly. However, I figure theres got to be some logic to it if I hear it over and over again.
Counterpoint: mormons think their religion was not started as an enormous prank. There are a lot of mormons! Does this make them right?

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Old Sep 2, 2006, 02:19 AM #13 of 131
I take it that you don't know much about how the Mormons started. If you prefer, Scientology, same question. Or, the Jews running everything. The holocaust didn't happen. Women ain't shit but hos and tricks. Etcetera.

the crux of my argument is that it is possible to have an opinion that is wrong.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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Old Sep 2, 2006, 08:16 PM #14 of 131
Originally Posted by avanent
Because that wasnt my point in stating that Hitler was generally seen as a good guy.
Wait.... what?

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