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Should we interbreed with our family members?
In case you had no idea why, the reason we are not supposed to "marry our cousins" is because of genetic mutations which would be passed down upon our children. If everyone in my family has a genetic mutation, this mutation will not be apparent in my children, because when you get married, your husband's or wife's genes make sure that no mutation is passed down. For example, if "ABCDEFG" is normal, and my family has the mutated "ABCDEFF" and my wife's family has the mutated "AACDEFG" then our child will still be perfectly normal, and have "ABCDEFG" because the correct genes over-ride the incorrect ones. If I married my sister, we both have "ABCDEFF" and our child would have the mutated genes.
I am getting into a question about genetic mutation that I have, and I just want this one question answered. To have mutation-selection theory work, you need to have mutations. If you have no mutations, then you will never have anything to select, and no evolutionary progress can be made for a species. If evolution is a good thing that makes species progress forward, then... Would interbreeding with our family members speed up the evolutionary process? How can random genetic mutations last more than one generation and make an impact on the evolution of a species when the two-gene system fixes all mutations? How can evolution bypass the overwhelming bad side affects of genetic mutations and cause a random mutation to benefit a species? So the scientific question presented is, "Should I marry my cousin to further the human race?" I am seeking a scientific answer to these questions because I have never seen the evolutionist's viewpoint on this topic. Please do not get off the topic of genetic mutation. You do not need to know what I think in order to answer my question, but I thought I would give my own belief on the history of genetic mutation. In general, I agree that mutation-selection theory or "evolution" is a completely VALID scientific model for the evolution of species, but I would scientifically disagree that the mutation-selection model can REALISTICALLY produce or evolve species, and I believe that mutations are much more responsible for the DE-evolution of the species of the world. I also believe that these scientific beliefs of mine line up with my faith that the human species was created perfect. This means that shortly after the perfect creation, marrying within the family was perfectly healthy. This is how Adam and Eve's sons and daughters could have made a family with each other. Anyway, I believe that today, the human race has accumulated many many harmful mutations since the day of perfect creation, and this is why today we cannot marry within the family without expecting horrible consequences. Jam it back in, in the dark. |
Just a tidbit from history about royal families, there are a lot of horror stories about the bad side affects of the royal families maintaining their blood line, and some think that this spawned some mythology (aka Minotaurs) LOLOL that last part is just a speculation that I heard of once.
Double Post: Good point. I am assuming that most mutations are detrimental. Isn't this well known fact? Double Post: Okay, I learned that we have two of every one of our genes, so having two parents makes sure that the bad genes don't cause any problems. I am also assuming that this two-gene system eliminates the bad genes. In retrosepct I think that is incorrect. Yey? Ney? There's nowhere I can't reach.
Last edited by AndyClaw; May 24, 2006 at 10:39 AM.
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No, seriously, disregarding all values, I can say that most genetic mutations are harmful. I mean, isn't this obvious when you think about all the tragically deformed children who are born?
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Magi, so are you saying that we are not quite EXACTLY the same species as our parents?
IF your answer is yes, than a question for you Magi is if these slight mutations go away when we find another human to have a child with. I am wondering about that. If you are talking about variation within the species, like hair color, then that is irrelevent to evolution completely (just making sure we are on the same page, you probably already know that). Most amazing jew boots |
I am not talking about cousins specifically, really, because the farther away from your direct family members you go, the less chance of a mutation you have.
In fact, you COULD in theory marry your sister and have normal children. I am talking about when the mutation DOES happen. Okay, to answer you question about the bad side affects. Think of it this way, because it is supposed to be obvious. I am not trying to possess some supreme knowledge, because this should be a common fact of nature. If I marry my sister, and have a baby, which means there is a VERY HIGH chance to pass on a genetic mutation, is my baby more likely to have a super high IQ or to be mentally retarded? There is definitely data existing to answer that question, and this is what I am talking about. Why do you think the word "MUTATE" has such a bad connotation? I was speaking idiomatically. |
Well, for the sake of the topic, try not to confuse the term species and make that an issue. Lets just say that if a genetic mutation occurs, then you are no longer the same species. Lets just pretend that this is the defenition for now, because it works for me. Uhhh..... ok? LOL.
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So here are my three questions, one of which has been answered.
Would interbreeding with our family members speed up the evolutionary process? (How can random genetic mutations last more than one generation and make an impact on the evolution of a species when the two-gene system fixes all mutations?) Answered: the two-gene system does not make mutations go away, so the mutations are not fixed. How can evolution bypass the overwhelming bad side affects of genetic mutations and cause a random mutation to benefit a species? FELIPE NO |
Okay, well here is what I say about your viewpoint of mutation. A mutation is a mutation is a mutation. They come from ALL KINDS of sources, but they all produce the same thing: a random effect. Your theory about mutation (we need to factor in "ad nauseum" conditions to see what the true result would be) sounds good, but I am not talking about IN REAL LIFE, not in theory, but in practice. You can take any species, subject it to high amounts of mutation, and collect the data. The data will produce mostly negative results.
About "the media". I could just as logically state that misguided scientists around the world who are fostering a psuedo-scientific lie have painted a good connotative picture of mutations which has warped your viewpoint of the true original connotations of the word. I won't say that though, as it is irrelevent. Oops, I said it anyway. Disregard that. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
About the need to subject the mutations to a larger population group so that the mutations can work together. I get what you are saying, but a question... can these independently useless mutations wait for something to make them useful, or do they go away?
Double Post: Oh, and by the way, this is mostly a learning experience for me, not really making any points on my end except to clear road blocks. I already know what I THINK the answers to my questions are, that is why I am not answering them but asking them hehe. Double Post: GAHH I need to go to sleep. Now. No more chatter. I need sleep so I can go to work tonight. Reply all you want I might check in later. Jam it back in, in the dark.
Last edited by AndyClaw; May 24, 2006 at 11:19 AM.
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Let me just say that I don't think we should marry our cousins, but was wondering if it would speed up evoution.
Here is a contradiction I see. Someone said that marrying my sister would only bring out the bad mutations that my family has gathered. To me, that is only affirming that most mutations are harmful. A mutation is a mutation, and if the bad ones are being brought out, then that means those are the mutations which are occuring in the human race. Most amazing jew boots |
From what I can tell, the same environmental factors that are somehow poisoning us with such a high amount of cancer lately might also be causing an excess of genetic mutations to us humans and also increasing genetic diseases.
I don't know any specific data on whether we are more healthy now or 100 years ago though, but from what rumors I have heard, we are coming down with more defects now. So don't take my word for it! This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |