The Pirate Bay files charges against media companies

Originally Posted by Skexis

Either way, though, what's "right" is never going to be consistent. Or at least, not for consistent reasons, and therefore to varying degrees. Someone might feel more right than someone else. I don't think in this case a thief is a thief is a thief. It's more complicated than that.

I concur and I'd like to follow up with one example being this: Is it right to torrent a movie which you would have never otherwise watched? Meaning you would have never given money to see/buy/rent the film because of its supposed suck-factor or you just plain hate the film? There's a whole range of viewpoints on that alone. Its 32-bit shades of grey.

Having that said, I applaud The Pirate Bay for sticking it to Big Media (And by sticking it, I mean giving to them a taste of their own medicine).

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Cellius

It's still wrong. Why is it less morally objectionable when you replace the words walk into a rental store and walk out with a movie in your pocket with torrent? It's not wrong because you're not physically doing any stealing? What? You're having something for free that would ordinarily have cost you money; it doesn't matter if you "would never have given money to see/buy/rent" it in the first place. I understand this viewpoint and used to use that exact justification for pirating things myself, but the fact remains that you're still stealing the product.

Just out of curiosity, can you show me these 32-bit shades of gray?

Panglain more or less answered for me: Stealing a copy from a store/rental store makes the store lose money, especially rental stores because now they have to order new copies of the movies, and explain to corporate why they allowed someone to walk off with 5 movies that should have been hard to steal (As most if not all movie rental places nowadays have security measures to prevent such obvious theft). I'm not saying that torrenting a movie in itself is completely squeaky clean either, but its a difference in morality when, as I said before, that if you were never going to PAY for the product, that getting a copy for free off the internet is harming anyone. Now there are times when I'm sure many people have gotten movies simply because they were lazy or whatever, and my example was of one of the exceptions.

Oh, and the 32-bit Shades of Grey thing was a metaphor.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Niczo

If people don't buy new music, there is no new music, get it?

For thousands of years, artists, songwriters and playwrights created songs for entertainment, and in the cases of the Church, Kings, etc., hiring performers and writers and artists under a works-for-hire contract was the exception and not the norm.

The concept of mass produced music that one pays for as a tangible object (Vinyl, CD, etc.,) is a recent invention. The artist creating music for the sake of art or for enjoyment is much older then a desire to gain monetary gain, so If people don't buy new music, then those SELLING new music will discontinue selling, and those who do not see profit as a primary motivation shall continue to make music.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by LeHah

Then the answer is simple - you deserve to die by starvation.

Or he needs to increase his Income (Get a better job) to allow for the legal purchase of Media, because someone who would starve if they bought movies and DVDs has other priorities and should not be engaging in such frivolous consumerism. He (Niczo) is being especially hypocritical I noticed in this aspect.

Also,

Originally Posted by LeHah

Two wrongs don't make a right.

What I think Skexis was trying to convey was that the Pirate Bay was
using the same tools as employed by the **AA in this lawsuit to enact a resolution, or as the phrase goes "Fighting Fire with Fire". I could be mistaken though.

Originally Posted by Niczo

Most artists wouldn't be known today if it wasnt for the record industry, handing them contracts and advertising their music.

You mean, up to this point in the general scope of Music History. The brilliant thing about the Internet and mass media these days is that Artists now readily have the tools to become self-sufficient in promotion, production, distribution and thereby gaining an audience! No Record Contracts, No Tours, No Bullshit!

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by DarkLink2135

But according to
piracy - Definitions from Dictionary.com
it's illegal.

I too, can quote from websites! =D

Originally Posted by Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)

1. practice of a pirate; robbery or illegal violence at sea.

Originally Posted by American Heritage Dictionary

3. The operation of an unlicensed, illegal radio or television station.

Originally Posted by Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law

1 : an act of robbery esp. on the high seas; specifically : an illegal act of violence

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