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Can YOU imagine the Tenth Dimension? Stupid people need not click here
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Old Jul 9, 2006, 09:10 PM Local time: Jul 9, 2006, 07:10 PM #1 of 67
Wow, that was... something.

A stipend though:
- The Flash describes Time as a line in which we go along a set path of growing from birth till death, but then has the 5th dimension as branches of different futures. If we are all moving along a linear path in time, then how does the relationship between different particles (People, things, etc.,) affect each particle's linear path.
In other words: Are our relationships (Interactions/observations?) of other objects ('Particles', to be nitpicky) going to affect our own time-line? Or is this covered in the 5th/6th dimension when it comes to different outcomes?

The flash really was quite interesting, and perhaps I may even get the book. As for my above question, I was thinking that maybe the 4th 5th and maybe 6th dimensions all operate at the same time together, as does 3D space, since an object, such as a box, will always have width depth and height, and it won't magically just become flat or a dot.

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Old Jul 10, 2006, 12:27 AM Local time: Jul 9, 2006, 10:27 PM #2 of 67
Originally Posted by Dullenplain
On the first point: according to the book (as understood from the flash), this sort of thing is best observed in the 5th dimension where you'll see the timelines bend and kink and branch off as they take on differing alternatives based on relationships between individuals.
Hmm... So would I be correct in saying that it is kind of like a subatomic particle that changes by mearly being observed: that mearly because we exist and that we move through time, that our future selves are always changing due to what we decide to do in the present?

Here's a bugger of a follow-up question: How would one go about seeing someone's 4D time-line?

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On the second point: it depends on your perspective. Here, a box is a box because we understand things in 3-D space, but in 4-D space, that box is but an entity, a point that travels through time. It may not be a physical point in 3-D space, but from the perspective of 4-D space, the fact that it is a 3-D box is not important, it merely exists as an object in time.

Overall I enjoyed the interpretation, although the author seems to follow Ockham's Razor religiously trying to parse everything to the least components (as he should anyway) possible.
Its about dammed time that someone followed that principle. There seems to be a great and very steep learning curve when it comes to these complex mathamtical theories, and having a simplified version explain the basics of something like Higher Dimensional Visualization, is a welcome one.

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Though this is an elegant and simple way of presenting how to encompass everything there is to consider in the universe and beyond, I'll admit.
Err, what he said. Occam's razor should be used when introducing students & interested company to complex theories and overall information.

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What I really like best is the way point of view is employed to simplify everything as either a point, a line, or a 2-D figure. It makes figuring out things in higher dimesions less taxing on the mind trying to compound other dimensions on the existing 3-D framework and simply work from a different perspective.
Yeah, seems we agree about having an easy way to look at these things. One thing I was a bit disapoinnted about was that there was no visualization of a higher set of physical properties.

Since
O = Point
1 = Line
2 = Length
3 = Width

and
4 = Time

I would have expected 5, 6, and 7 to be additional unseen physical parameters (Which, technically they ARE, but in a subdued and different form) instead of universes and possible outcomes, which is getting into the realm of probability and not physics.

The best thing about this flash is: while it is still a theory, it does give to light an explanation of so many sci-fi schema, such as Time Travel, Seeing into the Future, Parallel Dimensions, etc.,.

As such, I'd like to see a story/movie/tv show? that uses a (somewhat) realistic explanation as to why Johnny Lightspeed can warp to the gamma sector in under 12 parsecs, instead of just 'Warp Drive' or 'Tachyon Particles' as the given explanation. This flash has given a way for them to explain it somewhat (Although the actual methods for acheving warp drive, or time travel is still unexplanable at this point, so I'll allow for artisitic legroom ).

There's nowhere I can't reach.

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Old Jul 10, 2006, 10:30 AM Local time: Jul 10, 2006, 08:30 AM #3 of 67
Originally Posted by Yamamanama
I'd like to see them use parsec as the unit of distance it actually is and not a unit of time.
Well I was just using a well known example of technobabble to show my point. Yes I know that a parsec is a unit of distance and not time, but whatever!

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
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