[PC] World of Warcraft

So.. it's ok to fuck people over for a year and a half, because they aren't in raiding guilds, but now that the do level caps, it's not ok? Because those people are raiders?

Please, try to help me understand this. From what i've seen posted and discussed:

A. Now all raiding guilds magically have only 40 people in their guild MAX, that raid with them everynight. They don't have 41 members or 60 people in their guild. It's all down to 40 people in the guild now. (despite some saying that they have anywhere from 50-60 people online at any given raid night) What happened to the other ones who were online and told "Sorry, everyone's here. We don't need you to be online." ?

B. Now it's about friendship, when half the people in a raiding guild could care less who's in there as long as they have 40 people on and can raid. (Not all guilds are like this, but I have seen some that are.)


I am so fucking sick of everyone always assuming the casual base and what they want, no really, I am. I play casually. Why? Because I hate the rules and bullshit that goes on in high-end raiding guilds. I chose not to go to one (even being offered to join them) Why? Because I don't need that headache. But because I chose to not go to one, I'm not allowed to see the new content because "lol u don't raid naxx so ur casual and will never set foot in these places" Assumptions are nice aren't they?

The point of this was to make content better accessable to those who don't have the time nor care to join a raiding guild, and are in a smaller guild of friends. Now that it's been out there, all the major elite e-peen infested raiders who think gear and epix are more important than anything else (the whole "he who has the epix first is god" mentality) are the ones getting bent out of shape over this. So they start feeding lines "It'll still be too hard for you casual assholes" and "You'll never see this content." Sounds pretty much like a cop out because there aren't any 40 mans planned after the expansion for some time. :\

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WoW was released with one 40 man and many smaller dungeons. To even the playing field ZG, BWL, AQ, and Naxxramas were in production during beta and up until their respective releases. ZG was even changed from a 40 man to a 20 man to appease casuals.

This arguement is so old, it's not even funny. When ZG first came out "lol you'll never PUG it" 2 months later "LFM ZG" AQ20 isn't pugged yet, but that doesn't stop from a group of allied guilds to make runs around it. Pleae tell me what dungeons were added after Dire Maul for people who have done nothing but cleared and farmed out of the hell of Scholo/Strat/Blackrock Spire? Hell, I'll even throw ZG in there now. There haven't been.

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To you it wouldn't be. You don't really strike me as a raider so this really doesn't effect you. What you're not seeing if how this impacts those who have been working through endgame content since release. If Blizzard had made the max raid cap 25 people from the start nobody would have a problem right now. Instead they decided to change the rules halfway through and in doing so have alienated most of the raiding community. Raiders aren't pissed off because they're afraid casuals will beat bosses and get phat loot or whatever. Raiders are pissed because they're going to have to sit out half their guild.

Uh, hello. They changed the rules halfway anyway. They just went back in the direction that they promised the game was going to be in the first place. I bet if they changed it to 45-50 people raids, there wouldn't be a problem. No. Because that's "MORE PEOPLE TO RAID!!!" I mean really, that would have pissed me off to see a 45+ man raid instance be put in, but I would not act likes it's the end of the world. But now with the lower cap and more people actually having a chance at content they couldn't because of leaving their friends and everyone behind to further advance their character, it's the "end of the world." Sorry, but I have friends too. And because I'm not "super leet hardcore" enough to have a guild with 40+ member and raid 5-6 nights a week, I lose said friends to guilds like yours because they like dipping in the smaller guilds. Offering people in there runs, giving them a few pieces of gear here and there. Offering them that this is what they can get. But when they leave and join, they find out "sorry, waiting list on raids." and 9 times out of 10, they don't gear anyone up but their A-Team of 40 people and won't gear anyone else up until the A-team's alts, alts are geared up.

Now's not the time to for some guilds to start having a "heart" for their players, when there are people in that guild who do nothing but sit on their ass, hoping that they can get in a raid. Hoping an A-Team member doesn't show and it's their turn on a list. To most guilds, those people are nothing but filler. Also if that douchebag from DnT wants to leave and throw a temper tantrum like Furor (which is what he's doing) because now there's no content to make him better, as well as about 4 upgrades higher in terms of gear, than a person who plays like me, then he's nothing but a fucking baby. Plain and simple.

The non-raiding/casual/casual raiders wanted content to fit them. They got it and now it's one big emo My Space about "friends" now. The really true and genuine hardcore players have seen past this. They see if as a new oppertunity for some people who feel left out in their raids to be able to join in and become equal to them. The ones who are fucking loot whoring whiners who think they deserve everything first, fast and the only person in the world to have it, are now screaming about "friends". Friends that they've probably made while screwing other friends in a smaller guild over.

Sorry man, but with all the whining I've seen the past few days on the WoW forums, this is this gist of it. I understand that it's going to suck to organize 2+ 25 man raids. But most raid leaders hate organizing 40 (I know some who do, and I know it's a headache myself) they see this as a blessing. Why can't other people? Oh because this game is about friends and not about "loot", right? :\

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Devo

Or you could just be lucky like me and belong to a gaming clan, WoW being one of the games played. It is about comradery and items are given on a necessity basis, not this rolling shit. Only time rolling does come into play is when two or more people need the same thing.

Uh.. who said anything about rolling? :P

I'm just talking about all the people who fear this change and that this is going to cause guilds to explode or whatever.

FELIPE NO

I don't care if someone's geared past than me. The fact you brought up him being geared past me and that he will take down Illidan in a month (providing he doesn't follow through the threat and quit) is irrelavant. (I actually find that as a sad attempt at flaming too. I don't care about other guilds progression, I care about my own) It's the generalization that because we don't have Naxx on farm status, then we will never see the content. That is essentially what is being said from the forum trolls and "people who speak for all raiders".

Let me clarify. "Casuals are not going to learn these instances, because that they don't raid now." That's a pretty big assumption. Like saying that they won't be able to advance because they'll never learn. That's not 100% true. I like to learn instances. I just don't get to it as fast as the super hardcore raiders. This does NOT make me a "gimp stupid retard lol casual player" because of that fact. It's insulting to be told I can't do something, when I haven't tried the new stuff yet.

Because I don't spend 6-8 hours a night raiding, doesn't mean I'll never see the content, or finish it "ZOMG SO FAST". It'll take time for me to get there. No one has EVER denied that fact. Point is, I will get there. Just because I'm not in a pompus-ass "if I can't have my 40 man main raid run I'm ruined" guild, doesn't make my time and effort any more or less than theirs.

Also, I like your last line, about me being one of the least qualified to know what raiders hate and don't hate. Same can be said to you and your "casual" arguement. Kettle. Pot. both black, both redundant.

The content they got in TBC will fit them. How so? Because now instead of having to join a raiding guild, they have access to it without going to one. This doesn't mean "OMG EASIER LOLZ" It just means that they have a greater chance to go there now under their own circumstances, instead of relying on joining a bigger guild and leaving their friends for "phat lewtz". There will be people who still won't go to these instances and still bitch about "easy epix". Then those need to get out and stop ruining the game for the casual gamer who yearns to advance. This is going to be challenging for everyone. Even hardcore raiders like yourself. It'll only be "easy" when the encounters are learned and completed. This applies to all games. Not just the Raiders of WoW.

I, for one, will enjoy the content that I can get to, because I like casual raiding. But, there's no such thing. it's RAID 40 MAN OR DIE now, right?

Arguements can be thrown back and forth like this. Fact is. Changes happened. Everyone will have to adapt. This time it's just changed on who has done the most crying about it.

It won't matter anyway, with the new level difficulty scale, you guys will still be on top anyway. It'll be like "LOLOL you finished Illidan at level 70? ::LAFF:: we did it at level 75 difficulty level LAWLS"

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

(condensed it)

I really don't understand what is so hard about splitting up two core teams for the guild. Honestly. You can scream all the insults you can. You can call me a "casual fucking noob asshole that will never understand because I'll never get out of UBRS because I fail at being hardcore" all you want to. I'm actually trying to find a reason here, other than the same "2 years with the same people" arguement.

There's a 40 player base core in a hardcore guild. You are now offered 3 choices after the expansion.

1. Split them up into two core groups.
2. Cut 15 "good friends"
3. adapt and try to maximize the level cap to your guild's fullest potential.

Why are cutting these people an option if they're friends? What makes it so hard to grasp that raiding can be done with less than 40? What makes 40 special? Because that's the number blizzard first implemented? (You've already answered this by saying it was the number Blizzard made to begin with, so I'll just accept that part of the answer and move on. :P)

Can you tell me why two groups running these instances in one guild won't work? I mean, I really want to know this stuff. If you have people who are onlne that are more than the 40 who are currently raiding, won't this give them something to do besides farming mats for the "guild" to use? RaidIDs have been thrown out, but no one knows how long these timers are going to be for. It could be 3 days. 5 days, or 7 days. The raidID answer will be valid when more on that comes out from blizzard.

I'm just trying to understand that if a guild has more than 40 people who raid, why does this new raid cap suddenly make people feel that all these "freindships are for naught"? Won't you still be in the same guild? Won't you still be conversing and raiding with these people? Just not the whole crew at once?

If people are really as tight as they say are, then they won't leave, but try to work out and adapt the change. Not be upset because some can't raid with everyone at once anymore and try to figure out which 15 of those 40 are "the weakest links". :\

I used my brain cells on that one!

Jam it back in, in the dark.

But the thing is, no one knows what these lock out timers will even be. Don't you think DnT is jumping the gun on this, just a little bit? They're turning a situation that they do not know the full details of, into the hugest worst-case scenerio to happen in any game ever. :\

I dunno, but it just seems that 2+ groups of 25 to take down the end instance would be easier to manage.

Sorry, d00d. I guess I'll never really understand why everyone thinks what they say is law and if they don't want to do it, then why should anyone want to do it. It's just a huge re-hash of EQ/Furor. It's going to happen (more than likely) in every MMORPG to come out at all.

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This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Guild I've been going to MC with for a while has finally put the stops on a few warriors going in there. It sucks because now I've been asked to bring my Shaman instead of my warrior. Granted I'll get geared faster, but I'm cautious about bringing my Shaman in these runs. I know I'll end up screwing up. heh.

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Originally Posted by HazelGuy

Kelor, an alliance paladin.

I was in Prophets of the Alliance, which disbanded, then Reborn, until it was overcome with retards who wanted to raid 6/7 nights a week. I've been told it was disbanded since, and the hardcore raiders moved to another server.

Besides, Jubei'Thos is where its at now for aussies anyway.

Name sounds familiar. Reborn is still around... so to speak. Actually, I think Reborn left to another server. I know Ramonster just left, but most of the people have left due to server lag. Most of Imminent left too.

I remember Prophets of the Alliance, though. Especially when you guys would raid TB. :P My gnome got in Pants Pirates (another Aussie guild) but due to real life stuff happening, I don't know how long I'll stay there. All my horde are in my guild, Scumdogs of Azeroth. (Best tabard on Thunderhorn. PERIOD!) I may try to get into Sanctify since they're like the only guild who does modified rolling instead of DKP. (PP went DKP recently, which makes me sad as when I joined they didn't care about loot and just played to have fun. )

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New hardware must really mean "SORRY I BROKEDED YOUR TOY!" gah. GG Blizzard. Thunderhorn = dead. *sigh* If too many people I know keep leaving the server, I may as well just quit after expansion.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I know who you're talking about and I always had wondered if it were him or not, but I don't think it is. :P

Lag's been bad. I have Onyxia tomorrow night and I hope I can make it instead of being lagged to death through ever-increasing latency.

FELIPE NO

I'm looking for a really good DPS/Sword build for my rogue. I don't want to go daggers (even though I guess there are some really decent daggers, I'd just rather keep swords )

I've messed with the talent calculator and came up with this build:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=nGxboxZMxEzMV0xc

But I've heard since 1.12, there have been some pretty good stuff to be had in Subtlety.

Before I go re-spend my points, I'd like to know of any good builds that I could use, mainly to farm Tyr's Hand/solo elites with.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by jlong

For this video game, dog someone give to their account to me and password? Is have boughten this video games, for but I cant to pay it anymore. The account and password XerXerz@gmail.com dog be sent to Thanks. (Is will be trying to plays on to different server then who to ever will be sending the account.)

rofl. wtf. You actually expect someone to give you their account and password so you can "share" the account? Go farm gold some other way. lol

can I haev 1g plz?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I used daggers for a while, until I realized that I never utilize the whole stealthed/ambush. So I went with swords.

Also, I don't raid on this character, so my gear is rather shitty. Best thing I have as far as weapons go is Lord Blackwood's Sword and Rend's off-hand. As far as gear goes, I have Eye of Rend, 4/8th Shadowcraft, some leather gloves that fell off of Kurinnax (sp?) and other stuff like that. Although once the expansion comes out, I might start raiding with her, since the raid caps have been lowered. So I dunno.


Paladin BC info:

Paladin

Spiritual Attunement (66): Gives the Paladin mana when healed by other friendly targets. The amount of mana gained is equal to 10% of the amount healed.

Blessing of Spell Warding (6Cool: A targeted party member is protected from all magical attacks for 10 sec, but during that time they are Silenced. Players may only have one Blessing on them per Paladin at any one time. Once protected, the target cannot be made invulnerable by Divine Shield, Divine Protection, Blessing of Spell Warding, or Blessing of Protection again for 1 min.

Crusader Aura (64): Increases the mounted speed by 20% for all party members within 40 yards. Players may only have one Aura on them per Paladin at any one time.

Seal of Blood (64): All melee attacks deal additional Holy damage equal to 30% of normal weapon damage, but the Paladin loses health equal to 10% of the total damage inflicted. Unleashing this Seal's energy will judge an enemy, instantly causing 409 to 451 Holy damage at the cost of 136 to 151 health.

Avenging Wrath (70): Increases all damage caused by 30% for 20 sec. Causes Forebearance.

New Talents:

Holy

Pure of Heart, requires 20, 3 point talent
Increases the paladin's chance to resist curse/disease by 5(10/15?)%

Purifying Power, requires 25, 2 point talent
Reduces the mana cost of Consecration and Cleanse by 5(10?)%, and increases the critical strike chance of Holy Wrath and Exorcism by 10(20?)%

Blessed Life, requires 30, 5 point talent
All attacks against you have a 2(10?)% chance to cause half damage

Light's Grace, requires 35, 3 point talent
Your Holy Light has a 33(100?)% chance to cause our next Holy Light spell cast within 15 seconds take .5 seconds less casting time.

Holy Guidance, requires 35, 5 point talent
Your damage/healing is increased by 7(35)% of your Int.

Divine Illumination, requires 40, 1 point talent
Reduces mana costs of all spells by 50% for 20 seconds, 2 minute cooldown.

Protection

Improved Resistance Auras, requires 20 points, 2 point talent
Your resistance auras also reduce spell damage by additional 3(6?)%

Improved Divine Shield, requires 25, 2 point talent
Lowers the cooldown for Divine Shield by 30 (60?) seconds, and lowers the attack speed penalty by 50(100?)%.

Ardent Defender, requires 30, 5 point talent
When your health is below 20(100???)%, reduces all damage against you by 10%
Ed: I have no idea which part scales, but a perma defensive stance doesn't seem hideously out of line, and makes deep prot a whole new level of appealing.

Lasting Defense, requires 35, 3 point talent
When struck by a melee attack, you have a 4(12?)% chance to gain 50% of the damage taken in mana.

Weapon Expertise, requires 35, 5 point talent
Increases skill iwth all weapons by 2(10?)

Avenger's Shield, requires 40, 1 point talent
range 8-30 (shooting range), Requires shield, 30 sec cooldown
(Listed are from the talent, it may scale with level, there don't seem to be any ranks on the trainer)
500 mana, 270-330 damage.
Hurls a holy shield at the enemy, dealing listed damage, and then bouncing to additional close targets. Affects 3 targets total.

Retribution

Crusade, requires 20, 3 point talent
Increaes all damage to Humaniod, Undead, Demon and Elemential foes by 1(3?)%

Improved Sanctity Aura, requires 25 and Sanctity Aura, 2 point talent
The amount of healing done to targets affected by Sanctity Aura is increased by 3(6)%

Divine Purpose, requires 30, 5 point
Decrease the chance that melee and ranged attacks will critically hit you by 1(5?)%.

Empowered Judgement, requires 35, 3 point
Gives your Judgement a 33(100?)% chance to refund 50% of the mana cost of th judged spell

Fanaticism, requires 35, 5 point
Increases the critical strike chance of Seal of Command and all damaging Judgements by 2(10)%

Sanctified Crusader, requires 40, 1 point
In addition to the normal effect, your Judgement of the Crusader will increase the critical strike chance of all attacks made vs the judged target by an additional 2%

Take it for what you will. Everythings grains of salt until Blizzard confirms/denies

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Knighthawk

Wait...Smooth run is 3 deaths? LBRS is pretty easy, even with just 5 people going along. I think the only challenging part is the Firebrand people if you pull more then you can handle.

Ditch the .5 stuff and just try to do some ZG or AQ20 runs, the tier 0 and .5 stuff is really lame and definatly not worth what you have to do to upgrade it (although doing it the first time is fun as Lord Vathalak is one of my favorite fights).

Not everyone can be in an uber-l33t guild that has everything on farm status. Some people still have to rely on pugs to do stuff with.

heh, I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm just saying that sometimes people still have to rely on PUGs to get shit done. :P

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I'm looking for a mod that records the rolls done. It sends a whisper to each person of their roll and says somethine like "Your roll was recorded as a 42" or something like that. Then after all the rolls happen there's a phrase done that say something like "dagget has won with a 42!" I tired to find something like that on curse-gaming, but no luck.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Knighthawk

Fucking Nefarian..

drops double Wrath BP and double

http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19363

what a bitchface...

rofl. Happy warriors make happy tanks. :P

I was speaking idiomatically.

Picked up that Dungeon Comp. guide at Best Buy today. Got the last one they had. It's up-to-date as of Patch 1.10, no Naxx map but T3 armor is listed. They really should have done a better job of organizing the drops from the bosses in the instances, but eh. It looks to be a pretty good sit-down-and-glance when the power's out, or waiting on raid time. It lists all the set pieces that fall in the instances like the main sets as well as the secondary sets (Like Deathbone and sets from AQ/ZG)

My Shaman hit 55 this morning, and probably will hit 56 coming up today. The grind is tedious but for some reason it's going a lot smoother now. If I can hit 60, he'll be my 3rd 60 and I'll be able to either work on my Mage or Hunter (haven't decided which to level yet)

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

They got Cam Clarke for the male Blood Elf? woah.

FELIPE NO

Real question I want to know is... how are the new instances?!?

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Well, since it's a hacked version, he's probably playing on a private server. Something I wish I could do, to be quite honest.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Fucking FINALLY. NEW HARDWARE. Thunderhorn, Laughing Skull and a slew of others are finally getting their new hardware. About fucking time. Since I'm pretty sure every realm on our server has been around since beta before WoW went live.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

AUUUUUUUUUUGH!. LOLZ GG BLIZZ!!!!

Yesterday, we had an abosulte PERFECT night in MC. For the first time ever, we down luci, and mag down with ZERO DEATHS. Vendorshaker dropped.. and because the raid leader would have rather seen it in someone's hands than DE.. I got it... BLECGH. Anyways, we get to Gehennas. Clear all the way around it. Even wait for the surger to repop near him to kill it so we don't screw up and aggro it. 3..2..1.. GO ....::SERVERLAG:: ::CRASH:: Thunderhorn down. >: ( We joke around on TS then it comes back up. YAY! We kill Gehennas, loot... then kill ONE MOB. Belt of Might dropped. It gets looted... then LOLx2.. server crashed.. AGAIN. We wait around, then just roll a character on Black Dragonflight... Server then falls off Earth or something, because its not even listed as a realm.

New hardware... moer liek yardsale hardware amirite.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

AWESOME.. just.. FUCKING AWESOME. The server went down for "emergency maintenance" for 2 hours. Right before we started back in MC. My Shaman is 57 and I went in. first off, I won the Earthfury Shoulders! SWEET! Then we one shot everything and get to Domo. ONE SHOT DOMO! So we decide to go see rag. With 25 people left in the raid group, we get Rag to 89%.

Oh my god.. I thought I'd never see Rag EVER... now I have, and I feel like all that time running MC since Janurary with at least 3 different guilds has paid off. ;_;

Originally Posted by Xellos

Man. Were you on the testservers where EVERY FUCKING WARRIOR had a earthshake? Scared the shit out of you.

Heh...Is that serverlag crap still going on? That shit was bad when I quit 2 months ago. At some point is was so bad that for 2 straight weeks at around 7 PM NOBODY could raid because people got either disconnected every 10 seconds, or they had a nice ping of 20k.

heh that lag happened with us too. I think it's because the server that Laughing Skull and Thunderhorn are on are the same ones. They brought it down Wed for 36 hours for new hardware, then saturday night, the server just goes "pbbblt" then today at about 5-ish, we are in MC "OH BTW LOLZ WE NEED 2 TAKE SERVER DOWN AGAIN, K? ^_^" ugh. so I just started my character back up on Black Dragonflight.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

Grats on the EF shoulders. For healing, what you'll want to work towards is DEFINITELY the Ten Storms bracers, boots, and (I think) leggings for the 3-piece bonus, and the rest Earthfury. That combo is literally the best you can get until Tier 3.

Never, EVER, though, roll on any other piece of Ten Storms, or spend DKP, or do anything to get it unless it's guaranteed to be free and it's gonna be sharded otherwise. The freaking Tier .5 helmet is better than the Ten Storms helmet. ._.

It's always free. No DKP in our runs.

I didn't do a too bad job healing with me not being Restore. (Elemental/Enhanced) My only problem was getting out of mana way too fast, even from lesser healing waves. I'll probably respec today, since I'm 57 and really don't need much more to level

I was speaking idiomatically.

Nah, I just went 0/11/38 (probably will go the full 40 when I hit 60) This is just because this shaman will be my main raiding character with this guild I'm running MC and BWL soon with. Of course, I want to run BWL with my warrior, because well I like wrath~

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?