[Movie] L O S T [possible spoilers]

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I really don't think Rousseau is dead, but Karl is definitely dead. They made it a point to show how fatal his wound was, but not hers. As for who shot them, I think Keamy and his buddies did it. I wouldn't put it past Ben to orchestrate Rousseau and Karl's death, but the previous episode seems to indicate that Frank took the guys from the boat to the island.

Originally Posted by Mithrandir

There is an interesting theory at this website: Screencaps and Easter Eggs: Hospital Bed Man

Any thoughts?

I haven't read up on much of The Lost Experience, but I bet that IS Hanso. This show is all about tie-ins like that, so it'd make perfect sense if it's revealed that it's Hanso later on.

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That bothered me while I was watching that part at the time, but this is my conclusion:

Ben's whole character is to get into people's minds to screw with them and that's exactly what he was attempting to do to Locke by saying that. I don't think he knows everything about the island or Dharma, so I don't think he knew goading Locke about the numbers would be a mistake in the end. It caught the attention of Penny and she has no part in her father's dealings. Charles Widmore already knew about the island by buying the first mate's journal that was aboard the Black Rock, so I don't think the hatch going kaboom sent off the big alert to Widmore. Even if it did, he was trying to find a way onto the island either way.

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Originally Posted by Cellius

I'm confused a bit about the chronology. When did Widmore purchase the journal? Before 815 crashed or after? And how did he know that the flight crashed on this island?

Widmore bought it far before the crash. It showed him buying the journal at an auction in Desmond's past when his brain was going haywire, which was December 24th, 1996. The plane crashed in 2004. As for knowing the flight crashed there... no one knows, for now.

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Originally Posted by Trigunnerz

What an awesome episode!

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A bunch of random people die. We also see the French chick, Alexis, and her boyfriend die. Hmmm.

The end suggests both Charles and Ben cannot go back on the island? Or at least they can't find it anymore?

Also, did Ben and Charles have some "gentleman's rule" or something? Like daughters are hands off?

Indeed it was!

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It was so funny when those people kept coming out of the house and getting shot. Lemmings! I still think Rousseau is alive, but Alex and Karl are goners. Poor kids. =(

Widmore can't find the island, I'm not so sure about Ben. It seems easier to get off the island than it is to actually find it. Now that The Flame is destroyed and The Looking Glass is out of commission, I'm not sure if Ben can get back to the island at the moment. I was assuming he could, but it would be difficult.

I guess they had some sort of agreement about what lines they could cross. Killing daughters, summoning smokey, who knows. They're both vying to take control of the island and it's like a big game of chess. Ben can't kill him in the same way everybody can't just haul off and kill Ben, no matter how much they want to. That's how it seems, anyway!

Now for a wacky theory: In the flashfoward when it shows Ben steaming, alone in the middle of no where and waking up out of breath with a shocked look... I thought that was a little odd. Then he got to the hotel and asked for the date and the year, which was also just a little bit odd. It made me think of The Orchid and that Ben may have teleported into Iraq. The location of where the video comes from might explain why Ben was injured and why he was wearing a coat. I know, seems kind of silly, but look at the vid and read the article~

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass

Why is everyone so pleased where this show is going. Seriously. Ever week, I get more and more angry.

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For example: SINCE WHEN would Sawyer give a shit about Claire. Calling people "sweetheart" when it's not sarcastic? Trying to be a hero? What happened to Sawyer's character. I don't even CARE if he dies anymore.

And I ABSOLUTELY HATED the typical SLAP IN THE FACE extras who are APPARENTLY survivors from 815 and are staying with Locke, but RANDOMLY come out and get shot, but Sawyer doesn't obtain a scratch from the face off. Ugh, more Arzt, Nikki and Paolo SHIT. I hate it so much.

And I like how out of nowhere the smoke monster appeared, presumed to kill everyone that Marine dickhead was leading, and then in the preview for next week, there he is, alive and well.

Every week, they disappoint me more and more. It seems like they're trying to rush towards an end goal now, and throwing all these new people at us without really focusing on anything on the Island.

There's no more mystery, there's no more intrigue, and there's no more fucking interest in watching this show for me.

I will, however, continue to watch it despite all my negativity. Why? Because I feel emotionally connected to the survivors and I want to see what happens. I am sure to be disappointed, though.

I think they bit off way more than they can chew here. They should have stuck to simple intrigue. Now, we're lost in a war between two retarded men (Whitmore and Linus), who seemingly pit these pawns against each other. This is not why I loved the show. I don't care about a Charlie's Angels scenario, I don't care who the good guy or bad guy is - I PLAIN DON'T CARE. Every OTHER thing I watch usually boils down to this typical duality, and I had hopes that Lost would be about something more.

Poor Sayid. I sympathize with him so hard.

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I am aware that this latest gap in episodes (for the sixteen episode season) was due to the writer's strike, but if they keep trying to reel people in and then give them breaks which are so long and with a show going rapidly downhill, I suspect they're going to lose a lot of their fan basis.

So I am a bitter, bitter person. Shoot me.

Originally Posted by Morrigan

Sawyer was totally out of character too, that was weird and kind of annoying. Decent episode otherwise.

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Have you two been paying attention to the show at all while you've been watching it? Sawyer's hard exterior has been chipped away as the show has progressed. From the beginning his relationship with Kate began to change him. They have like personalities and backgrounds, so they shared that affinity and it drew them closer. Whenever he began to get too comfortable (such as being an asshole about his "stuff" to everyone) and push people away, she understood why. Even when he was trying to push people away he still made connections with a lot of the characters and befriended them. Sawyer fell in love with Kate, he called Jack his "closest thing I have to a friend on this island," he got closer to Jin and Michael as they all built the raft together, and most importantly Hurley.

I think at this point is when Sawyer really begins to realize that he wants to be part of the community and not alone. Hurley taught him this in Left Behind by tricking Sawyer "into being decent." Before that he had to face up to what he did to Sun and actually feel something for including her in his con. More recently, how Sawyer reacted to Ben's goading in Confirmed Dead. Ben hit the nail right on the head. On the island Sawyer IS someone. He has friends and people respect him. However, off the island he's just a "low life scam artist" and how could he "compete with a first class surgeon" over Kate. It's obvious at this point that the people he's grown to know really mean something to him and that he wants to protect them.

Basically all of this is leading to Sawyer becoming a leader within their community. After seeking revenge his motivation as a character changed and this is the direction it's going. In Left Behind Hurley calls Sawyer their temporary leader since most of the A-Team was missing and he's next in the leadership chain. I think once the episodes catch up to the flashfowards, Sawyer will be leading them in place of Jack or at least will be looked upon as a leader if nothing else. It's all been a big setup to develop Sawyer as a leader that people can trust and to redeem him. Yanno, that thing called character development.

Anyway, as for the stuff with Alex:

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lex was already screwed at that point. Ben knew that and tried to get her out of the situation the best he knew how. I think he knew it was futile at that point, which is why he said Widmore "changed the rules." She was the one keeping him even somewhat human, so it's going to be interesting to see how much worse he can get now that the kiddie gloves are off. Still, I really don't want Penny to die...

Also, I don't think the time travel thing is just being pulled out of nowhere. I think it'll definitely play a big part later on and I've been waiting for them to bring it up in the show.

I'm having a lot of fun with the show and I'm interested to see where the new developments will lead. I think a lot of people get disgruntled with the show simply because they have to wait so damn long to get answers. I do care about the answers and what is going to happen to the characters, but I'm not going to get bitter while waiting.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

I think that is purely the shittiest explanation for Sawyer's immediate and radical attitude turn-around ever.

Perhaps because it explains that his turn around was neither radical nor immediate? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that the only reason you dislike the explanation is because you want the old Sawyer back. That's understandable, but you're allowing your valid disappointment and bias toward the character to masquerade as invalid and senseless critique. Sawyer's evolution over the course of the show has been logical and well documented. I think you understand it perfectly but just don't like where it's going.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

Who the fuck ELSE has changed on the island?

Several characters have evolved over the course of the show, and while many of their old habits die hard (Sawyer stealing all the guns, for instance) they have in other ways come together and have at times been forced to look inward. Sun for example has changed quite drastically. When she first arrived on the island she'd been planning to leave Jin. She'd been lying to him for years, cheating on him, and no longer knew him as she had in the past. Sun's character is now closer to Jin than she had ever been before. You're saying she hasn't changed? You'd have to have slept through the entirety of Seasons 2 and 3 in order to miss that.>>

As far as other characters that have grown and evolved since arriving on the island (some more than others), Kate has grown up quite a bit and in some ways has stopped constantly running away, as illustrated by her recent flashforward and allowing herself to become closer to Sawyer. While she's still a sort of fugitive from herself in many ways, she's grown a lot since the crash.

Charlie obviously went through quite a bit of development over his addiction to heroine, his feelings for Claire and her baby, his relationship with Locke, and his resentment toward his brother and subsequent view of himself. All of that had changed quite a bit over the course of the show since the pilot.

Hurley has also developed quite a bit since the beginning with regards to his oft feeling free of his Numbers curse and the fear of responsibility that he developed prior to said curse which were greatly worsened afterward.

Jin is learning English. Beyond that there's the fact that he's REALLY warmed up to the rest of the survivors. In the the beginning he wouldn't so much as look at any of them and approved even less of Sun having any association with them at all. He's now perhaps the most loyal to the group as a whole next to Jack, willing to risk his life for everyone and nearly dying in the process, and relying on Sun as his liaison to communicate.

The list goes on and on and on...The island has been a healing experience for many of those that come to it. They TRIED VERY HARD to emphasize this with Rose's flashback, but I guess either the message was too nuanced or you just plain don't like change. Over time nearly every character has had to confront their past and have had to move past it on several occasions.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

Even if you WERE right, they'd have had to address this "change" in Sawyer. If anything, he should go the opposite way (and NOT call people "sweetheart") due to his murdering Locke's dad. They made it very clear to the audience that this was NOT a positive thing for Sawyer.

Are you telling me they're writing this event off, and changing his attitude in the wind without substantiation?

They already have addressed it, as I stated at the top of my post and in my previous post. Sawyer killing Locke's dad was a release to him, not something negative. It freed him of the burden he carried since he was a child and allowed him to move on from living simply for revenge. The only reason he wanted to leave the island in the first place was to continue seeking revenge. Now that he has it, he really has no reason to leave and the ENTIRE focus of his character has changed.

Originally Posted by Morrigan

Elegy, I think Sass is being too harsh (some characters did change, others not so much) and you bring up some good points... yes, Sawyer is changing a bit. But that still didn't mean he's some sort of selfless hero now. Sawyer will help out the others when he's got nothing better to do, or when he has ulterior, more selfish motives, but it's not like him to simply risk his life and run past bullets just to save the girl. Kate, maybe, depending on circumstances, but he's hardly ever spoken to Claire now has he?

Kate a maybe? No way in hell. Sawyer definitely loves her and I'm pretty sure he'd try to protect her no matter what. She's the closest person to him, period. If Sawyer has conversed with Claire on screen often wasn't the point I was making in my other post. It's that she's part of their community and he wants to protect them ALL. You guys can think it's horribly out of character, but he's grown and changed as character and wants to help these people. You guys are acting like Left Behind didn't happen and are completely ignoring it. During at that episode Hurley tricked him into being nice and it really built his commradery with the rest of the survivors and made him think about how important it was to be part of the community.

Originally Posted by Morrigan

Also remember when Kate asked him (paraphrased here) "what are you doing, Sawyer?" when he decided to go with Locke, and Sawyer responded, "doing what I've always been doing... survivin'." Dodging bullets to save a possibly doomed girl is not exactly "surviving". Hence, it's out of character.

The reason he went with Locke is because he doesn't want to get rescued. Ben hit the nail on the head by telling Sawyer that Sawyer doesn't want to leave because he has nothing left outside of the island. There is absolutely nothing left outside of the island for him now that he has gotten his revenge. Aside from being a redneck thief, but he doesn't want to live that way anymore. On the island he has friendships and people who actually care about him. Seems to me he wants to keep that. As for Kate, he said that to her because that's his way of talking to her. Always trying to tell her he's an asshole and she always counters with you're not a bad guy, you're doing it on purpose, etc. Yanno, keeping with their whole dynamic.

Anyway, for tonight's ep:

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Someone who was thought to be dead will return. I want to believe it's Jack's dad, but I still don't think Rousseau is dead, so perhaps it's her instead. It's gonna be fun to see~

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Originally Posted by sprouticus

Some random thoughts on last night's episode:

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Did anybody else pick up on the fact that the smoke detector was beeping before Jack saw his dad? Even though it was just a "low battery" signal, it still seemed fishy. Also very interesting to note that Miles also saw him when Claire did.

I don't think that person in the coffin from last season was Hurley because it was a noticeably small coffin. I think it may be Aaron.

I think it's retarded that smokey didn't at least HURT those guys severely. You saw that thing fucking up their world and yet there was only one guy actually hurt? Please.

I'm curious to see what this promise is that Kate made to Sawyer.

That's all. Good episode!

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I thought it was strange that the smoke detector was included in the scene, but while I was thinking about it I totally forgot about it since Jack's dad appeared on the couch. Indeed, quite fishy! I've seen people comment about ol' smokey, but who knows.

I really don't think the coffin is for Aaron. The way Kate was acting when Jack told her about the funeral in the second episode of Through the Looking Glass indicates that. Not to mention at the end of their conversation she says "He's going to be wondering where I am," which is more than likely Aaron from the flashforwards we've seen concerning Kate so far. I also really don't think it's Ben, as Dr. Uzuki said. I had no idea the person died like that and was male though. I guess I really need to start listening to these podcast thingys. *lazy bastard*

As for Keamy, I don't know if this has been stated anywhere, but we really don't know how many people were with him and if anyone was killed or not. If no one was killed I really have to agree.

Kate might have promised to check up on his kid or do something for his kid.

Anyway, looks like Rousseau's dead for sure. It was so terrible seeing her and Karl's bodies in shallow graves like that. ;_; I was hoping she'd manage to come back long enough for her and Keamy to kill each other, but oh well. I'm not really enjoying the parts with Kate in the flashfowards, but it seems like they're setting up things and I look forward to how it's going to end up.

Edit: Tomorrow is the release date for Season 3's ost. I like the music for this show a lot, so I've been looking forward to it for a while. Does anyone here actually give a damn about the music at all?

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Originally Posted by Majin yami

I love the music for the show, but I can't find the Season 2 OST at all. Can anyone direct me to a torrent by any chance?

I couldn't find the torrent I got it from, so I uploaded it here:

FlyUpload / Share Files

My friend informed me there are a lot of ads on the site, but I have nearly everything under the sun blocked, so I'm sorry if that annoys you. <<

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Originally Posted by Majin yami

Cheers mate that's awesome! It does have quite a lot of pop-ups but that's no biggie, they don't really annoy me as much as they do everyone else I think. I'll have to go and have a butchers for the Season 3 OST now.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Uzuki

Why can't Lost have more scenes anymore like the speechless Ben/Hurley sharing a Dharma Bar scene? That was great.

I loved that scene! I often wish there were more scenes between characters just for the hell of it, but there's just not enough time.

Originally Posted by Sousuke

Just a little something that I noticed from last night's episode...

Locke's mother is named Emily. So was Ben's.

Probably just a coincidence.

Locke and Ben were also born premature.

Originally Posted by KrelEN

Caught up with the last three episodes. Here's some extra text just to make sure spoilers don't appear in the recent activity box on the index.

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PISSED OFF at Alex's death. ;_; seriously, didn't see it coming.

Also, busy wondering what the new DHARMA logo is. The Orchid?

But seriously. Alex. BAWWWWW.

Yeah, I honestly thought Rousseau would come back and save her or that Ben would get her out of it somehow. I was rather disappointed with how anticlimactic her reunion with Alex was considering this show is heavy on the drama. Still, I'm not bitter nerd raging over it. They were minor characters and Alex served her purpose to this point. As for the logo, I am assuming that is the logo for The Orchid, but that's merely my guess.

Anyway, I'm gonna take this with a grain of salt until the season is actually over, but here's something to tide you guys over if you feel like reading it:

Lost | 'Lost': Secrets from the set! | Lost | TV Preview | TV | Entertainment Weekly | 4

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Originally Posted by Muzza

So wait, what's the general consensus on The Lost Experience? Is it something everyone that's cool is aware of? Or is a thing you've just tossed under the rug?

I remember a year or so stumbling across the whole Hanso Foundation shenanigans; the website, which isn't currently functioning per se, was kind of interesting, kind of wtf-like and kind of creepy. =/ I remember Joop's corner or something, which focused on the Hanso Foundation's ancient Orangutan...and when you clicked something or whatever, the screen would warp and be particularly frightening.

So yeah, what's up?

I thought it was interesting, but I only watched some of the more important videos such as The Orchid. The parts about the foundation in general and most importantly the Valenzetti equation are supposed to be canon, so I usually keep that in mind while watching the show (which is why episodes like The Constant and The Shape of Things to Come weren't some out of the blue thing).

Anyway, I've been avoiding just about everything connected to Lost lately. I haven't read any of those big spoilers and I still don't plan to. I'd rather just discuss it when the episode airs. Part of the fun is seeing if your predictions come to light... at least for me!

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Originally Posted by The Dopefish

S01E05, Christian's coffin is found empty by Jack near the caves.



So unless Locke is REALLY special somehow there's no reason his body shouldn't have gone poof from his coffin (which, coincidentally, hasn't been shown since the Ajira flight crashed).

He's been claimed as special all along, so I have assumed it's completely different from Christian's case. Yemi's body also disappeared and the smoke monster has taken his form as well as Christian's, so Locke seems like a special case to me.

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