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Religion: What it means to you
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PiccoloNamek
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Old Sep 25, 2007, 05:36 PM Local time: Sep 25, 2007, 03:36 PM 1 #1 of 834
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That does not mean that I dont have control over my actions.
You do not have any control over your actions, or anything else for that matter. As was said, your actions are ultimately the results of chemical and electrical functioning of your brain. The brain is composed of neurons, which in turn are made up of molecules, which themselves are made up of atoms, which are made of quarks. Now, we know that the universe is ruled by universal and immutable laws. Laws like gravity, and electromagnetism. All of the particles in the universe, including the particles in your brain, are subject to these laws, which cannot be broken. When particles, or atoms, or molecules interact, the result is determined by the laws governing the interaction.

Theoretically, if you had complete knowledge of all of the universe's particles, and a complete knowledge of all of the laws governing their behavior and interactions, you could predict the entire future of the universe with 100% accuracy, because you would know exactly what outcomes will result from any interaction. The cause and effect chains of these interactions would be laid bare before you, able to be traced all the way to the end of the universe. Likewise, these chains of cause and effect could also be traced, unbroken, all the way back until the very moment the universe came into existence, when all of the universal laws were created and matter came into existence. In that exact moment, the entire history of everything that would ever happen, ever, was set into stone.

Of course, some people believe that there is a certain element of randomness in the universe resulting from quantum effects. This may be true, but it still doesn't allow for free will. Instead of a determined will, you would instead have a random will. But at least your fate wouldn't be sealed. (Personally, I am a determinist.)

Jam it back in, in the dark.




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PiccoloNamek
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Old Sep 25, 2007, 06:04 PM Local time: Sep 25, 2007, 04:04 PM #2 of 834
Are you saying that human consciousness can't be explained through science, or that it somehow functions outside of natural laws?

There's nowhere I can't reach.



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