islam, the religion of love...

Originally Posted by RacinReaver

I'd just like to say that I'm laughing at the "BEAUTIFUL MUSLIM SINGLES FOR MATRIMONY" ad at the bottom of the page. Especially since the woman in the picture is wearing a headscarf.

But if it is HER FREE choice to wear one; who are you to judge?

There were alot of gals at my university who wore them happily; you just don't notice after a while.

Sikhs wear turbans. Jews the Kippah; so why people can't get over a woman wearing a religious article oh my God they must be opressed.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

So have women in Turkey, its a huge national issue over there, theres been riots and protests since Turkey turned secular.

I have studied Ethinic Minorities and Law with one of the best professors literally in the Uk and possibly the World this year as one of my 4 core Law modules and I know the shit these people take. In regards to Sikhs, its a lack of common sense and in the UK many cases have gone to court and won on the grounds of racial discriminition or Art. 9 of the ECHR. The point is with women and headscarves its a different type of prejudice alltogether.

In regards to Women headscarves its been utter shite some of the stuff UK politicians, the press and the general attitude of the public. Look at the English case of Sabina Begum v SB Denbigh Highschool, it was overturned TWICE on appeal. Just because she herself wanted to wear the Jilbab (covers body) she was thrown out of school because the other children and teachers 'found her a bit scary'. The case is one of the biggest bollocks I've seen in the past 10 years, and seeing the Judge's backtrack due to the negative Muslim coverage in the press in regards to the said case was shameful.

Point is if she wants as a woman to express her religion through her free choice of wearing those clothes, who are Judges and uneducated persons to turn around and say oh she's opressed, or oh she doesn't or cannot fit into our society, oh she can't become a functioning member of our society.

In the UK a woman was denied a hairdressers job becuase she wore a headscarve, the propestive employer told it straight to her face. As such they were fined £5000 and rightly so. It simply had nothing to do with her ability to cut hair. And that it simply highlights the negative attitude that these poor woman suffer due to others prejudices or fixed minds.

However in the Uk we become tolerant for example in the 70's we have specific acts to allow the slaughter of animals (halal and Kosher), carrying of ceremonial daggers, changes in traffic laws etc..

Problem is it makes life easier for minorities but still doesn't change our attitude.

The fact is you even think the word Sharia over here and it sparks negative press, wthout people actually being Educated on Sharia law. The fact is the stupid press keep quiet of the Sharia Law thats already in our Legal system thanks to case precedent.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Overraction isn't just the problem, its a lack of willing self education.

People always put personal law into the unoffical sphere. They don't think wearing a headscarve for example as a personal law, rather a mere cultural practice. Same goes for Sharia Law, the stuff always finds itself into the system so why not do it properly rather than sweep it under the rug.

Whats wrong with a controlled blanket acceptance, you either have a type 1 model which we have in the UK of a Uniform law with granted exceptions. (This doesn't work at all amd is highly discriminatory). Or you have a type 2 Ballard model whereby you allow the use of codified personal laws into the uniform and make futher exceptions on a cases by case basis. The problem is things like Sharia are a political no no, so its not even considered. For example rules governing Talaq are very important.

There is one thing that holds true, any state never discriminates or opresses against a Muslim because they are Muslim. They do it because they refuse to assimilate into the states official system. The same goes for most of you people.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Going back to the OP.

Originally Posted by Janus X

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/19/AR2006051901769.html]If one reads the Kuran carefully, one will notice that the book cleary calls for the elimination of non muslims.

I can read newspaper articles too.

Huh? Have you even read the Qur'an? No it doesn't; its not some death book. What most people don't realise it actually details ancient wars, which most extremist fags think its fine to do recreate in our current day and age. These child suicide bombers are brainwashed into thinking they are doing God's work when really they are serving a fanatic's twisted fantasy. The Qu'ran doesn't say bomb, murder or pilage; God has reserved pre-planned punishments for those that do. The fact is people don't understand the true meaning and the historical context of the use of Jihad which is very different to what the Fanatics say it means in todays times. of course it has somethings which are outdated and deplorable (stuff which alot of Muslim countries have stopped the practice of), but people allow the small stuff to cloud the image of the big picture.

Alot of the Qur'an tells you how to practice being a Muslim i.e how to worship God (the 5 pillars) and how one should behave to get into heaven. It tells you right from wrong, which unfortunately the extremists a) ignore and b) re interpret for their means.

Most people don't even know that it considers Jesus a prophet and Adam the first Man with Eve his spouse.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Pangalin

Well, yes. Because they choose to make themselves stand out, they are easy to discriminate

You are joking right. Since when do they choose to make themselves stand out. Your right they should all convert to Christianity and take a dose of their 'shut the fuck up' medicine. For example if they come to intergrate into British culture, what the fuck is British culture? Because I'm British and I can't define it. You don't have to have an interest in western culture to live in the Western World, I know I don't. Plus what is Western culture where does the western World begin and end? How do you define it? Or are you simpy defining it as anti - Muslim?

Originally Posted by Pangalin

and if you have no interest in Western culture, you shouldn't live in a Western nation.

Ahh the ol' 'if you don't like it why don't you go back home argument'. Rosa Parks should have pissed off back to Africa if she didn't like standing on the Bus.To this day that is one of the most primative arguments I have ever heard from many a folk. As an extreme example being gay could be noted a cultural change it was literally illegal in the UK as buggery was illegal so should they have moved somewhere else. Look at Jews and Muslims should they have gone home if they couldn't slaughter meat in line with their religion? Should Sikhs go home because they can't wear the Turban in Turkey? No you provide resistence, you complain, you protest for change. That is why the law is changed for a better more equal and tolerant society. And it will again in the future as Muslims vote too ya know. Problem is hypocrite people who state they are all for acceptance but utter the word Jilbab or Sharia and they run a mile. Even the state is guilty in the Uk we have the HRA 1998 art.14 and art.9 but you can probably wipe your arse with them. The main issue I feel is people nor politicians like Muslims arguing for change and thats quite shameful and I guarantee 99% is down to a lack of education in regards to what they are really protesting for.

Originally Posted by Pangalin

This is why the world is divided into nations in the first place; irreconcilable cultural differences.

Why aren't New York and Alabama different countries rather than states in the nation of America I'm sure they have cultural differences? I don't like your argument even more because what your saying means you cannot be Muslim, English and British at the same time. Your simply Muslim because you cannot accept parts of British culture but we'll give you a passport anyway. I know folks who are Muslim BUT consider themselves to be British. Should they just go home because they don't like Britain's stance on Sharia? Who says nations are divided simply by cultural differences. And not say over territorial land disputes, Look at China and Taiwan, Kashmir, the Islands outside of Japan and Korea. Looking at culture is too simplistic (what is culture is it a lifestyle, religious practice, personal law, or postulate), you also have race which splits into colour, nationality, nationhood (distinct) as other examples of dividers between countries.

I was speaking idiomatically.