UK Shits Bed Before US

Originally Posted by LeHah

From http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...049791,00.html



Does anyone even care anymore? While this is 'across the pond', I have little doubt that it's a mirror image of what American will go through in the same extent. Why is the government undermining the rights in which their people died for?

This by no means is law yet, its only a proposition. Face it this will never get passed in the UK.

With Tony Blair's majority almost being shot to pieces, there is not a hope that this would ever get passed the 2nd reading stage in the House of Commons. The man needed help from the opposition Tory party just last week to get bills pushed through because of the number of revolting MPs. Even if this does by some miracle, through a whole host of concessions does get through to the House Of Lords, that would be a roadblock right there. Being a citizen of the UK I have full faith in the House of Lords, who have not shrugged in the face of insurmountable pressure from the sleazy Labour government. The Law Lords would reject it straight away as they know this would undermine their supremacy in the English Legal System, they are old school and will never allow a challenge to their power.

These last 3 years, the Law Lords have been the biggest road block in Tony Blair's plans, especially in regards to UK policy on dealing with terror suspects,Blair was defeated on deportation of terrorists to countries where they would be tortured for information, and on the propostion to hold terrorists for 3 months without charge. The last one in particular was seen as a purely humiliating loss.

So you see he basically needs to assasinate all of the Lords and replace them with Blair ites to get this passed.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by LeHah

We said the same thing about Bush being re-elected

Thats totally different, besides the US has a large right wing, red neck population, and Kerry was a wuss, so nobody was shocked really when he was re-elected.

Besides you don't have the House of Lords in the US, all it takes is a 'no' from them and Tony Blair would be humiliated......again.

I reackon the bill will never actually be put forward, if Tony Blair did try it, he would probably face the biggest majority loss in English history, when it came to the vote in the Commons. His own back benchers and the oppostion parties would string him out to dry, even if he has a '3 line' party whip he would still not be able to generate enough 'aye's' to the left, and would have to relinquish his power immedeatly, as a vote of no confidence would be cast.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by LeHah

Boy, no bias from this guy!

Hey everyone's bias, why lie?

I'm heavily bias against this bill, but I totally agree in that, I would not be surprised if Bush and the US governement tried something like this before he leaves office, the same goes for Tony Blair, but I think he will chicken out and would rather leave office without such a humiliating loss in the Commons, especially after the loans for peerage scandal.

The only thing is, I need to do a little more research on how you guys in the US scrutinse any 'proposed' primary and secondary legislation. In the UK we have the various reading stages of a Bill, and then the Law Lords. Who knows it may be good for my upcomming exams.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.