Internet Explorer 7

Originally Posted by riggermortis

I think they should stop making IE, no one uses it and all it does is crash, they should just bundle firefox with windows from now on imo, it's embarrassing watching them try to enhance it and it usually becoming more buggy.

Only in a perfect world...

The reality is that Microsoft will not give up on IE and it is the dominant browser in the market last I checked. Microsoft wants to assimilate us all by making us use bad software because it is waiting for us on our desktop when we install the OS.

I think I'll be sticking with Firefox for a while.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by evilboris

Expecting a tad bit too much aren't we? Remember that the developement cycle was only about 1 year long in which time they had to fix 5 years worth of accumulating bugs - both rendering and stability issues - AND they still managed to add new stuff.
The security thing isn't air talk either, for example no previous IE based exploit affected IE7 at all, during the beta phase.

Expecting decent compatability with a 6-year standard is not asking much from a full well-paid development team.

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/

There's nowhere I can't reach.

The main one that comes to mind is ActiveX controls.... a feature that many of us seriously can do without. It is a major component that makes IE quite dangerous and can only be added on as an extension by other browsers. Microsoft has done well over the past years trying to Dummy-proof it, but considering how few applications actually NEED the feature... the general public could probably do without it. Things like Windows Update are nice to have in your web browser... yes... but would you notice anything different if your OS came with an updater application written in VB that goes and grabs your updates from MS safely and securely? People wouldn't even miss it.

How ya doing, buddy?

Yep, but that's because IE hasn't taken the standards as their top priority. Immediately they are worried about security and features. I understand their move but simultaneously they should've been working on compliance. They've been doing quite well with CSS support but they still have a long ways to go.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by evilboris

Did you even read my post? They had to fix 5 years worth of bugs and security issues first. And they had roughly a year to do it.

Did Firefox and Opera got perfect support for all w3c standards in 1 year flat after their release? Of course not. They incrementally added features till everything was supported. IE seems to move in that direction too.

The fact that they let 5 years worth of bugs and security issues linger is a bit of a problem don't you think? It seems pretty clear that they weren't going to work on that project much more until someone started to creep in on their market share.

And did you even read my post?

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Yep, but that's because IE hasn't taken the standards as their top priority. Immediately they are worried about security and features. I understand their move but simultaneously they should've been working on compliance. They've been doing quite well with CSS support but they still have a long ways to go.

And there is your question of...

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Expecting a tad bit too much aren't we? Remember that the development cycle was only about 1 year long in which time they had to fix 5 years worth of accumulating bugs - both rendering and stability issues - AND they still managed to add new stuff.

Again, I reiterate.... yes I expect them to have this product released more standards compliant. The key factor is that they shouldn't have had security issues that are in the vicinity of 5 years old. That's just purely embarrassing. With their market share and revenue they should be able to come up with a better solution. You do realize that security fixes and standards compliance are in totally different realms, yes?

Let's be honest about this, they haven't been touching standards compliance heavily because the general public won't notice. The general public is going to notice things like "omigosh cool tabby things" and less phone calls to Dell tech support because IE helped them get the virus of death. Who does notice? The web design and development community who still have to have tons of work-around code, because otherwise users will look at their sites with confusion... despite them being compliant with standards.

I was speaking idiomatically.