Soul Calibur 3

If you found Soul Calibur II mildly fun, stick away from Soul Blade. It was like a extremely unbalanced version of Soul Calibur without the option to strafe all around (the 8 way run) and wasn't all that good, despite how everyone seemed to like it at the time.

Originally Posted by Zero'

Nightmare is weak in SCII. The only good thing I found about this character was 3B.

Haha, you have to fucking be kidding me. besides that 3B wasn't all that good, if you've ever been to Soul Calibur nationals, you'll find that in SCII tournaments people only abused Nightmare. Like an insanely high percentage of all competetive players used him and no one else.

The only other overused character at that time was Taki, and that was only because she had an extreme advantage over Nightmare. I think a few others were used, but mostly Nightmare.

His range was utterly insane, and he had an insanely high variation of moves. Many of his moves had multiple options, and upon soul charge - which sucks in SC3 - alot of his NORMAL moves became fire ones. His speed was admitedly low, but it was decent and combined with his range it seriously needed toning down.

Seriously, don't tell me you've never found Nightmare even the slightest bit overpowered in Soul Calibur II? Nightmare was a huge percentage of the reason why SCII was totally unbalanced

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Top nightmare players could earn 10000 a year from consistant tourney playing if they so wished it.

Guard impact isn't useful?! Dude, at tournaments, that was the SCII METAgame. Xianghua is, yes, top 5. Nightmare is top 1. Kthx. No one cares about nightmares 3B, I never even fucking used it much dude. I have killed a Tier 1 Xianghua player who tried using VC in SCII vs me, barely taking any hits.

You scrub or what?

edit - oh, you meant another bug. No, I didn't use that one. You don't really have to need it, you can fight above all the other chars anyway. Well, I didn't. I can fight G2525'ers in SC3 with my Mitsu most of the time, so long as they're not using it with Setsuka's glitch throw. I don't really use bugs. 3B without the glitch is useless, from when I looked at it. G2525 is all but removed in my copy of SCIII for some reason, so I assumed most, if not all europe copies have no VC. It may have been the same for SCII, as I tried searching for bugs alot...

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Zero'

Why are you talking about SC3? SC3's bug G22 known as VC got worse. Input VC during to be GIed, then recover before them finishing their GI animation is not right.

And what's up calling someone scrub in internet? What's make you think you're the better player?


unknown_user: I heard some comment about DTN performance in Evo2K4. They said they were boring to watch him whoring 3B everytime.

I meant, VC/G2525 doesn't bug me, because I just refrain from stuff that it can wreck. And no, I think its scrubby to think that Nightmare was good just because of 3B. Its well known that he can do other nasty shit as well.

I'm out of shape on SC2, but if you refrain from sophitias 1A glitch (what was it? I know its set to 1) and Setsukas vc combo, I'd suprise you in a match of sc3. I'm not big on 3d fighters, so didn't practice much. I can wreck on it though, I have beat one or two high tier tourney players.

Also, Guard Impact in SC2, unsafe or not was still whored by some high level players, and very well. x.x Its not used in SC3 tourneys as much, but it was indeed whored in alot of competetive matches in SC2. One of my friends quit playing tourneys at SC2, labling it a Guard Break match, and does not find the same problem in 3.

End note - Soul Calibur except 3 is unbalanced ass in general.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Elixir

Who the fuck here is going to take a fighting game so seriously that they'd actually enter tournaments here, dude. SooMighty won a MvC2 tournament with a Dreamcast controller, so skill isn't everything. Half of it is pot luck.

Pitting characters with NO RANGE (and require more skill) against characters with HUEG RANGE (and require no skill) doesn't make for a balanced game, no matter how experienced the players are.

Thats the point I'm trying to get across to him... Unknown seems like another insane tournament elitist. (Note, on every game I played, I have never really lost to someone who was snobby and said they been to tons of tourneys. Not badly. One threw their control at my window, breaking it in anger x.x)

SC2 is insanely broken, the one tourney player I know of (James Arnold Stanton aka Arbital 24, hes an ass. earnt over 100000£ in 2005 from diff videogame tourney winnings apparentally, including Counterstrike and ALOT of SC2 tourneys) said to a friend of mine who knows him that SC2 was totally broken, and almost anyone is usable in 3. The guy also knows every bit of frame data in SC3, you can quickly ask him a move out of nowhere, he'll tell you the start up, execution, and recovery >_<

ps my friend played him and thinks I could prolly wreck him, thats not the point.


SC3s chars are all totally usable, that much is completely apparent. SC2 was more broken than Unknowns inner rectile tissue. Your generally told to fuck off in SC2 unless you have Nightmare, Taki or X x.x and maybe Mitsu.

Also sc.com is full of shit. As elixir said, whos sad enough to go to tourneys these days? x.x

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Elixir

You know, I would probably post at shoryuken if the people weren't such scrubs. They all use shorthand for moves and rubbish just to look impressive, and when you go to ask a simple question you get a complicated one: "ok, qcf+p cancel xx hyperdrive, xx change pp qcf qcf psythrust" and I'm like what.

Can we stop this now? If we think the game is broken, we don't need to enter tournaments and/or be good at the game to get an opinion out of it.

"This game appears broken. Some of the characters are ranged and others aren't, which differs the skill required for each individual character."
"Yeah, I agree."
"No guys, this game isn't broken because PEOPLE WHO CONSTANTLY PLAY IT are good at it!"
"Uh?"
"Uh?"
"Look, I know John, Paul, and Mike. They're all top tourney SC2 players. If this game is in a tournament, it can't be broken!"
"But who said anything about entering a tournament here?"
"OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW NOTHING, TOURNAMENTS MAKE THIS GAME BALANCED."

I understand the shorthand because I been around lots of fighting game losers my whole life. I feel sorry for people like you who have to deal with the idiots who abuse it though >_< if its any conselation, in fighting game related discussions I use non short hand most of the time.

Elixir, trust me, if you take the knowledge of frame data and the knowledge of how to use glitches away from idiots like Unknown and Zero, you can totally walk over them effortlessly.

I have asked people who play some fighting games at tourney level to do that for me before cause I'm new, and totally fucking raped them in every hole. o.o Course, in that one Capcom vs Snk 2 match, they started using it towards the end when they got desperate, I still won though...

Arbital 24, that guy I mentioned, thinks SC2 and Nightmare are both broken and he has prolly made more money from SC last year than Unknown and Zero ever have from games in general. So Elixir, I know you don't care about the opinions of weirdoes like them, but I have to say your opinion is more true anyways.

SC3 has more usable chars, unknown said it himself, thus proving his own point fucked.

Also, Elixir is right, you don't need to be lifeless, nerdy and spend your life away at tournaments to have an opinion of whether a game is broken in casual play. Unfortunately, its broken in competetive play too. >_>

Edit - haha omg saw your new sig, cute archer thingy ^^ What games that thing from Elix? Guessing by the art style, an rpg.

Edit 2 - x.x oh, its random

I was speaking idiomatically.

No, theres no way. If you find a way to take a screen pic with a camera, I'm always interested in shit like that o.o I'm odd, yup.

It is prolly cause you played the fuck out of the second, and just about everyone found 3 to be a dissapointment at first, and hard to get hooked to. And meh, I respect any player whos friendly more than any arrogant or skilled tourney player. So dun worry bout losing.

Soph is a good start for a char, shes balanced and one of the top charries. Some of her moves - maybe one, dunno, I know theres one major one - are glitchy and abusable, you might find em. If you refrain from em, shes very fun to use, and can teach a great deal about the game. You can go far with her too. Careful cause shes banned in some tourneys, if not all, but no one cares about tourneys except glitch users and vcers (VCs a frame cancel glitch) anyway, and frame data analyzers.

If your really bad just practice against the Extremely Hard cpu in Quick Play till you consistantly beat them, which may take seasons of constant practice or weeks depending on how good you are. (Took me only a few hours within first playing Soul Calibur in general... But I'm just obsessed.) But being a quick learner doesn't mean your limits are higher than a slow learners. Then fight real people, good ones, and learn to mind game, which you can't vs the cpu.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

He fucking travels everywhere for his tourneys, Gencon, everywhere... All over from asia, france and everything. Hes wrecked in alot of places, I doubt USA is exempt. I'll try and get in contact and let you know. Hes prolly earnt more money from that shit ass game than you earnt in your life though, so its okay.

11AA... Yeah, its apparentally banned. It looked glitchy enough to me, mefriend. It wrecks more than VC on steroids. So 'shup.

And here you fucking go AGAIN.

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One of the players who went from usa lives about 15 minutes away from me. So I think id know a little more than you guys. Especially since you dont pay attention to the community.

Here we go with the "I'm better than you cause my friend can play tourneys." What? No one cares. Yes, you're right. I don't give a shit about the community of a 3D fighting game I hardly fucking play.

Thus the ammount of hours I got in it is less. SC pays like shit, even 'my friend' (who I dun even know too well) said that. No point learning frame data, (BORING) glitches (WORSE) and spending tons of time on the community and practicing the meta when it pays like shit, and, plays like shit. At tourney level.

Yes, once the VCing and other tedious shit begins, SC has some skill at top level. Nowhere near as much as Counterstrike, or anything mildly better (haha Marvel vs Capcom 2 has more usable chars than SC2) cause that wouldn't be like Namco to make anything interesting. But you can play it without your dick falling off. Just about.

As for low level play, its a masher. Peroid. Put a beginner who knows some of the moves mildly vs a chav, chav does at least 30%.

Soul Calibur is good, its probably however one of the most fucking boring, glitch riddled, frame analyzing obsessed and unbalanced meta games. EVER. And pays like mud for the trouble. Unlike good games which may most of the time pay like mud at top level, its... Not good enough to fucking wanna metagame.

Arbital for his general videogaming skills has been featured in UKs Edge magazine for an article. That pays. Unbalanced and monotonous SC tourneys don't.

Also, you sound like a general sc.com user. You can't use caps well, have a scrubby name, plunge your paragraph in one piece, and try to act high and mighty and the mature one. Do you guys have a virus going around there? >_<

And yes, I can prolly be better than you at it too. If I bothered learning frame analysis, getting the money to travel to SC heavy areas, and how to abuse tourney legal glitches. I can easily learn a charrie inside out, and if I wasted a speckle of my time on it, yes, I could prolly wreck you. I'm inclined to think I can now too, but you'd be doubtful if I said that.

Unfortunately SC blows too much to play at tourney level. kthx

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by unknown_user

haha, you think that unblockable is so bad its bannable, and they actually ban it in tourneys over there? Damn, that says alot about the players there. They cant see a low move and block it on reaction i guess. That proves right there how bad they are.

Maybe he has earned more money than me in games than i have, im still confident i could destroy him in it. NM isnt all that great. And no, tourney play doesnt even use VC all that much. If theres gamebreaking glitches in sc3, id sure like to hear them.

Plus you think Marvel has more useable charcacters than sc2? Damn, you just really dont know anything about the game it seems. Marvel has 4 main characters to play with, plus good assists. All others are crap. Sc2 got at least 10 characters goin for them for top play. But you dont even know about that and you claim that im wrong when im not. You can say im wrong, but I know im right because unlike you im part of the SC community, and care about it.

They ban it in general tourneys, the unblockable, according to Arbital. also, James Arnold Stanton/Arbital 24 also said apparentally that USAs players suck at SC. Hes already wrecked over there, apparentally. Considering his general gaming earns from Soul Calibur tournaments last year, including the top ones (Gen Con, not shitty namco SC nationals) that totalled over 20,000£ on SC2 alone, (played other games) and considering he was featured in Edge and no one you know ever will be, I think hes more trustable. His 160,000 he raked in last year said so, so does the tournament records.

He won the counterstrike UK national last year too x.x I think, which is part of the reason for his huge income.

Marvel has 4 overpowered chars, but others are still mildly usable. SC2 had 3 usable chars. Peroid.

How much a year do you earn from SC? I'm guessing as a tourney gamer, you'd be earning your 13,000+ a year gaming on it. If you believe your so much better than this guy, considering his views counteract yours and hes earnt more. From USA too, scrub. Japan, france and everywhere too.

The guy knows every bit of frame data on the game, start up frames, ending frames, execution frames. My bf - whos the one who knows him personally, not me - confirmed this by asking him several questions about Taki's posession stance, since thats my bfs fave stance in the game. He doesn't even like the game that much.

My bf used to be better at counterstrike than him during the time they played together a few years back when that psycho played it, before he reached the level he is now. Even though he doesn't know as much about fighting games as he does about more pvp/pc orientated games, he knows his share, and said that if I knew all the glitches in the game and BOTHERED with SCs stupid ammount of frame data knowledge, and abused it constantly, I could prolly take a high ammount of Stantons health off. if not win. Easily.

Judging players off their country doesn't work with the dedicated, friend.

Edit - Zero, I'm totally ignoring your existence from this point onward. Its... kinda not there. I like fighting games. Alot. SC is one I find fun in moderate doses, and one I find horribly tedious to play at high level. The Stanton tard apparentally finds SC the best fighting game, though he doesn't really like it much anyway. So there is appeal. Alot of it. It sold. Its also extremely homo erotic to me to play constantly.

3-4 hours a day at max for me with that game x.x

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by unknown_user

haha, im supposed to believe that? Why wasnt he in the big tournament in 2004 then? Plus they ban an unblockable that you guys think is cheap, thats proof right there that you guys arent that good. You can say otherwise, but I know what im talking about.



LOL, just stop. Your just not making any sense anymore. 3 characters usable....maybe over there, where players arent good enough to win with others. At least 8 that can win in high play. I dont see how you can say Talim, Mitsurugi, Voldo, Yoshi, and a couple others arent capable of winning. It boggles my mind really. If you dont know about high play, dont talk about it please.

edit- Your a girl? And you said you could beat me if you learned the game? Sorry but girls dont have the mentality to be really good at fighting games. Dont say otherwise or make excuses, theres not 1 top player in a competitive fighting game thats a girl.

awesome, your sexist too. Unfortunately I'm a guy. (Bi, but pretty sure I have a dick) Shut up.

There are 3 characters in SC that guarantie a win much easier than others. Arbitle usually judges on the highest chance of winning, cause hes a money and victory whore. Not who can possibly win. He basically meant that in SC3 the chances of winning are more equal from character to character.

I dunno about SCs big tourneys, the game sucks, I don't play it much. I'll ask the dude personally the next I decide to poke fun at him what tourneys he been to.

If you want proof he was featured in Edge for being superior (more superior than you) I'll find an article from a friend of mine and scan it in soon.

If you played me on Guilty Gear, then I shall have you know that X2 (any mix of it) is one game I never lose a player match on. Ever. Because, its actually a game I care about. No, I don't know much about SCs high level play, I can just trash people who partake in it unless they're high end players. Arbital prolly knows more than either of us though, so stfu.

You never answered my question either. How much a year do you earn playing games? Preferably sc

How ya doing, buddy?